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Posted: Nov 23, 2011

Many of us get a great deal of indigestion from the need to hold in a lot of stress, especially around the holidays. If you must defend/confront misinformation, etc., here are some good tips. Good luck. Top 5 FOX myths to debunk this Thanksgiving MYTH #1: The congressional Super Committee failed because both sides refuse to compromise. REALITY: The Super Committee failed because Republicans' number one, non-negotiable priority is to protect millionaires and billionaires from paying even one more penny in taxes.1 Democrats repeatedly offered to make deep spending cuts—far deeper than most progressives would like—in exchange for raising taxes on the wealthy and closing corporate loopholes, only to be refused again and again.2 So even though the vast majority of Americans say they want to protect Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid benefits, and raise taxes on the rich and corporations,3 that won't happen until Republicans put aside their extremist stance. MYTH #2: Nobody knows what Occupy Wall Street is about. REALITY: Occupy Wall Street may not have a formal list of demands, but anyone who's been paying attention understands the core problems that occupiers are protesting—that corporations have far too much power in our political system, that Wall Street banks crashed our economy but were never held accountable, and that the richest 400 Americans have more wealth than half of all Americans—156 million people—combined.4 MYTH #3: Occupiers should stop protesting and just get a job. REALITY: As anybody who's looked for a job in the last few years knows, there just aren't jobs out there. That's a big part of why occupiers are protesting. In September, there were four times as many unemployed people as job openings.5 And for those who are lucky enough to find a job, median wages today are lower than they were a decade ago.6 MYTH #4: Occupy Wall Street is intent on provoking violence, especially against banks and the police. REALITY: Occupations across the country have committed themselves to nonviolent protest, in the greatest traditions of protest movements. Some of their protests have been met with acts of police violence—tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets7—but in many cases, protesters have reminded police that the police officers are part of the 99%, too.8 And in the few cases when people have shown up at Occupy demonstrations and committed acts of vandalism, other protesters have even repaired their acts of vandalism.9 MYTH #5: The biggest crisis facing our country is out of control government spending. REALITY: The two biggest drivers of our deficit—by far—are the economic crash and the Bush tax cuts.10 We have millions of people out of work, corporations hoarding cash, and factories sitting idle. If we put all those people back to work—rebuilding infrastructure, educating our children, and researching new technologies—it'll shrink the deficit and make our economy stronger for the long haul. And we can easily afford it if we make sure the rich—who are taking home a larger percentage of income than any time since 191711—pay their fair share. Sources: 1. "No, 'both sides' aren't equally to blame for supercommittee failure," The Washington Post, November 21, 2011 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=268071&id=33178-17979014-vaENCGx&t=4 2. "Wonkbook: In supercommittee, Dems moved right and Republicans moved righter," The Washington Post, November 22, 2011 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=268072&id=33178-17979014-vaENCGx&t=5 3. "CNN Poll: What The Super Committee Produced Is...Exactly What We Don't Want," Talking Points Memo, November 21, 2011 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=268073&id=33178-17979014-vaENCGx&t=6 "Medicare, Social Security & The Deficit," National Committee to Preserve Social Security & Medicare, September 2011 http://www.ncpssm.org/pdf/poll.pdf 4. "Michael Moore says 400 Americans have more wealth than half of all Americans combined," Politifact Wisconsin, March 10, 2011 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=268074&id=33178-17979014-vaENCGx&t=7 5. "Fact: 4 job seekers per opening in U.S.," CNN, September 12, 2011 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=268075&id=33178-17979014-vaENCGx&t=8 6. "Median household income," Wikipedia, Accessed November 22, 2011 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=268076&id=33178-17979014-vaENCGx&t=9 7. "Occupy movement: police reaction in pictures," The Guardian, November 21, 2011 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=268077&id=33178-17979014-vaENCGx&t=10 8. "Occupy Demonstrators Mark Two Months of Protests," NPR, November 17, 2011 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=268078&id=33178-17979014-vaENCGx&t=11 9. "Occupy Oakland protesters assist in cleanup efforts," News 10 ABC, November 3, 2011 http://www.news10.net/news/article/161383/2/Occupy-Oakland-protesters-assist-in-cleanup-efforts- 10. "Economic Downturn and Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Projected Deficits," Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, May 10, 2011 http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3490 11. "Income Inequality Is At An All-Time High: STUDY," The Huffington Post, September 14, 2009 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=268079&id=33178-17979014-vaENCGx&t=12 ;

This is when I'm thankful - sm

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that I am an MT scheduled to work Thanksgiving and the following day (most likely only to sit with no work) because I have a legit excuse to NOT travel hours to my SIL/BIL's house for a long weekend where Fox News is kept on 24/7. For those who are less fortunate than I am, your post is priceless.

Enjoy your turkey day (I mean the meal... not the Fox viewers).

Totally agree, I have to work, too, and am thankful - not to have to listen to Fake News!

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That's all.

TG table talk - Reality check

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TG is a time to be grateful for all you have. If you still have some semblance of a normal life and can make a go, you are very fortunate indeed in these very uncertain times. Another website that is very good to read is: www.endoftheamericandream.com. The guy who writes it does his homework and it's a very interesting read albeit quite dismal in outlook.

Ummm, gold, emergency food, military surplus, - survival supplies site tabs

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are not exactly my idea of a website with a "very good read" on the pulse of the nation." Hoarding and fear-mongering are not appropriate, useful or productive collective responses to what ails us and offer zero insight into how to fix it.

Thats what happens when the HOPE and CHANGE - is gone...and it is almost gone. nm

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No, it's what happens when fringe partisans have nothing to offer - but fear mongering
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All they know how to do is criticize, complain, cast aspersions and blame. They are totally clueless when it comes to defining a problem, let alone solving one. These idiotic survivalist sites remind me of when I was a child and Goldwater's fomenting at the mouth against Russia had school children diving under their desks during frequent nuclear air raid drills and bomb shelters were all the rage. Can you say bogus?

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