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Ted Cruz and Jade Helm--are people really

Posted: May 3, 2015

Women's hymens should grow back? Jade Helm is a government conspiracy theory?

He is delusional.

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Ben and Carly are in. The clown car is filling up! nm - Alice

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Things I've learned today. You can criticize a black - conservative, that's okay

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and not racist. You can criticize a conservative woman, that's okay too. It's inconsistent though, so I guess it's all about liberalism.

And Texas is not France! - NM

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NM

Carson and Fiorina are not criticized for - their genders or ethnicity

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It is there policies, inexperience, track records, viewpoints, politics that are disgusting. Frankly, I think the clowns will send then packing.

All sort of a nonissue as they don't stand a minute chance of nomination. Just a waste of money.

So it's not racist then? A little consistency - would be nice. I'm not fan of

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either, bus she would make a very intriguing contrast to Hillary. A woman who actually ACHIEVED some notable things in her life, as opposed to one who just hitched her wagon to the charming guy who was going places, and then sat back to collect her reparations for looking the other way at his years of indiscretion.

She gets very little media coverage because the press is afraid that she’ll be harder to ridicule and crush than was their former female target, Sarah Palin. But I’ll bet they start going after her now, because she’s seen as s threat to Hillary. War on Women?

I've seen a lot written about her failure at HP - sm

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Perhaps confusion abounds here.

All remarks about President Obama are not racist.
There have been a lot of racist remarks about President Obama.

I haven't really heard any racist remarks about Carson. Certain elements of the conservative right have been the ones to lash out over race with President Obama. I think they are sitting back trying to figure out what to do with this one. They are being silent, but in the end they will still be racist.

Race is probably the only reason I would even consider it amusing/interesting to see Carson nominated. I would love to see the conservative right try to figure out how to support and put racism aside. It might turn out to be a real step forward. The only step forward in that situation, but a step forward nonetheless.

I've read a lot about Hillary's failures, - Whitewater, Benghazi,

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emails, Putin, Hillary and uranium, etc., but that hasn't stopped her.

I wouldn't want Fiorina for a boss! And I MOST - certainly dont want her as our President.

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Truth is the new hate speech. - NM

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NM

Truthmust be fought for because lies are more - prevaleent and tend to

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take root much easier. What is truth worth?

Just like “pro-life” has been changed to “anti-choice” by liberals.

It's only racist/sexist if the focus becomes a candidate's race and gender - rather than content of their character

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Until this current sub-thread (beginning above?) no one HAD mentioned the candidates' race or gender, which leaves whomever first introduced the candidates' race and gender to the thread suspect.

Because technically, regardless of whether you vote FOR or AGAINST Ben or Barack or Hillary or Carly, if race or gender plays a factor into decision-making and is brought up rather than what that candidate stands for, it could be construed as racism and sexism, sometimes reverse racism and sexism.

As for Sarah Palin, I don't care for her and she scares me, to be honest, but I also almost felt sorry for her, I thought she was treated viciously in ways we wouldn't treat male candidates, and mostly by other women. But then I believe our society is tougher on women candidates than men in general.

However, as mean as women can be to other women, it is usually not a woman who says things like they "should be at home in the kitchen and watching their kids" or they should "be more cuddly", which have both been said to both Sarah and Hillary.

Unfortunately, female candidates are going to get more criticism than male candidates, from both men and women, because they will be critiqued more for irrelevant aspects of their candidacy, and where they stand on reproductive issues will be overly focused on, too.

But it's liberals that always accuse you of being - a racist even tthough it's

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the policy that's being questioned.

It is all about liberalism. That's why it's okay to criticize a black or female conservative. They are held to a different standard.

I try to avoid using "always/never" myself but sometimes that's true - Comments like this one (see link) don't help

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I don't always succeed, but I try to avoid "always/never" statements anymore because it has almost "always" bitten me in the backside later:)

Judging by the time stamp, this was actually the first comment mentioning race and gender in this thread today, and I personally struggled to see why race and gender were even mentioned when no one else did. I'm not saying it's a "bad" or "good" comment, I'm just saying I struggled to see where their race or gender were relevant when no one had mentioned it:

http://general.mtstars.com/414061.html

Unfortunately, even if you're right and ALL liberals are accusing ALL conservatives of being racist, conservatives introducing race and gender to the conversation in that manner, when no one else had mentioned race and gender, does NOT help conservatives' case that they're not racist, see what I mean?

I lean left often, but not always, and I personally know that not ALL conservatives are ALWAYS racist, SOME are. However, it has also been my personal experience that in this day and age, the majority of racists are typically found on the conservative end of the spectrum rather than liberal end, at least where I live (and in using the modern-day definitions of "liberal/conservative." Not always, but the majority of racists are self-proclaimed "conservatives" where I live.

So if conservatives want to prove they are NOT racist and that this is an unfair stereotype of themselves, then they need to do a lot better than opening debate by focusing on their own candidates' race or gender or gently confronting other conservatives that do.

However, none of that was the main point in my comment. My point was (and I edited just now to make it clearer), if you vote either for or against someone BECAUSE of race or gender, or that largely plays into your decision making, you could technically be considered racist or sexist (or reverse racist or sexist)

The idea is supposed to be about being color blind and gender blind, just something to think about. Not saying I've never been guilty of cheering louder for someone because of these aspects myself, but it really shouldn't be the societal goal, that anyone should have an extra cheering section based on race or gender, IMO.

The point being made - was simple

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any criticism of policy of our current president is quickly deemed racial since day one - it is one-sided - when there is criticism of President Bush's policies - does anyone ever scream racism - HE'S WHITE!!!! of course not - so one can see why the constant bringing up of President Obama's race gets old after awhile - we should be able to criticize the man's policies without being accused of being racist.....

Ok, but my point was focusing on the race of one's own party candidates instead of content - doesn't help disprove the racist stereotype

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It may have been that conservative commenter's intent to discuss how they perceive there's a double-standard when it comes to racism between liberals and conservatives on this forum, but considering no one was discussing candidate race or gender when that comment came in, focusing on nothing BUT their own candidates' race and gender didn't exactly help disprove the racist stereotype.

In fact, it may have further helped along the stereotype that conservatives can't see past race and gender except when they find them 'useful'.(As I said above, I know that's not ALWAYS true, but comments like that don't help, just sayin.)

If conservatives want to talk about how they feel there's a double-standard on race discussion, here, I'm sure we all could reasonably, but perhaps it's all in the approach and might it be better received if its own new post rather than suddenly tying it to threads about other aspects of the candidates than race/gender?

Just a suggestion to test the theories, NOT saying anyone 'should' do anything, I hope that's clear.

You hit the nail on the head! - NM

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NM

Here's another really simple point. - sm

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People really should be able to criticize the man's policies without being falsely accused, but the problem is that a lot of conservatives aren't exactly criticizing his policies; they're criticizing Obama and the First Lady personally with unflattering words regarding their character and carrying signs that are not exactly flattering toward their heritage.

Conservative campaigning lately has devolved into throwing red meat to their base and is approximately 85% character assassination and 15% discussion of actual issues. Conservative candidates are not content these days to limit their criticism to the candidates themselves, and conservatives lately have taken to overt criticism of a candidate's voters. Liberals think it is rather odd to criticize the very voters you will need to win the White House, but their base loves the red meat and so the candidates and their surrogates keep throwing it. Liberals think conservatives' criticism of voters, for instance like Romney and his "47%" comment, and then right-wing media piling on of a candidate's voters is politically ignorant.

I voted for Barack Obama and was accused of doing so to absolve my white guilt, and a family member who voted for Obama was accused of voting for him merely because he was black like the candidate, and this happens a lot and over and over and over. Having recently expressed my support for Hillary Clinton, I have now been accused by conservatives as being gender biased. So liberals too have had their fill of name calling. I think the difference between liberals and conservatives on this issue is that most liberals generally don't care what names conservatives are calling them, but conservatives seem to enjoy constantly bringing up this issue and seem to feel that they somehow alone are being unfairly persecuted. It would be great if conservatives would realize that liberals are being called these things too, especially since conservative candidates like Romney and conservative talking media heads like Rush Limbaugh and conservative surrogates and pundits have taken to calling liberal voters the same things.

Perhaps when conservatives start focusing on issues instead of the overt character assassination of candidates and their voters and get back to discussing real political issues, maybe then perhaps this type ridiculousness will stop, but as long as I'm being accused of racism for voting for a black man and as long as I'm accused of gender bias for voting for a woman, I have my doubts that anything is going to change on either side.

Since I feel there is a large element of conservative voters who thrive on the feeling that they alone are being singled out, I doubt if their conservative leaders and talking heads and pundits will stop the cycle that feeds this; they will fan the flames and keep it up in order to keep their base angry, agitated, and feeling persecuted. In the process, they don't seem to realize that they're alienating everyone else.

I didn't leave the GOP; the GOP left me.

Neither is Obama, it's his policies. But the - precedent has been set

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but of course the media is mostly liberal, so the rules will be different.

Obama not criticized for color either. But DemAlinsky's - screamed racism nonstop. DemAlinisky hypocrisy.

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Obama criticized for his "policies, inexperience, track records, viewpoints, politics that are disgusting." Frankly, the Liberal clowns looked at every Obama inadequacy as a "nonissue".

This is a perfect example of how DemAlinsky posts not credible.

Please define DemAlinsky - sm

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To repeat this slur with no definition is bewildering. I assume it is a slur.

The calm reaction is --
A community organizing Democrat???

It's like TPub, but to the left. I assume this is a slur - as well. The calm reaction is

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smaller government, personal responsibility.

So there are Democrats and DemAlinskys - as there are TPub and Republicans

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and on the correct sides--liberals and conservatives?

Lately it seems no one mentions Democrats--just DemAlinskys.

Also, there are actually a group of people that call themselves Tea Party Republicans. As far as I know there is no candidate group that associates as DemAlinskys.

Although the right considers it a "slur", I've - come to like the term.

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Which I'm sure must be confusing for the poor Pubs & TPubs.

- "DemAlinsky" -

Ben's a good man and a great role model, but the - political system will

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grind him up.

Remember what they did to Clarence Thomas? - It's all about liberalism. NM

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NM

Remember what Clarence Thomas - did to Anita Hill?

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and probably every other woman he got close to? But now it's what "they" did to poor ol' Clarence.

False accusation. - Right on cue NM

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xx

False only in right wing media world - nm

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The nature of evidence is irrelevant, it's the - seriousness of the charge,

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Someone from the left actually said that, back in the 1990s I think.

You simply need to accuse someone of something and that's reason enough to investigate.

And then the charge becomes the foregone - conclusion. NM

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NM

On Carson -Let the grinding begin-- - or continue

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I particularly "like" 7, 8 and 10.

7. “Certainly there’s the potential because you have to recognize that we have a rapidly increasing national debt, a very unstable financial foundation, and you have all these things going on like the ISIS crisis that could very rapidly change things that are going on in our nation. And unless we begin to deal with these things in a comprehensive way and in a logical way there is no telling what could happen in just a couple of years.”
~Ben Carson, telling Fox News that President Obama might declare martial law and cancel the 2016 Election so he can continue being president, September 2014.

8. “I think most people when they finish that course, they’d be ready to go sign up for ISIS.”
~Ben Carson, claiming the AP History curriculum will cause students who learn about civil disobedience in this country to join a violent terrorist group, September 2014.

10. “So if there were a container of contaminated urine, and somehow it managed to find its way to someplace a lot of damage could be done. Someone comes up to a lab worker. He knows he’s got the urine. ‘How would you like to have a million dollars?’ … Such things have been known to happen.”
~Ben Carson, fearmongering over Ebola by saying it could be used a biological weapon even though infectious disease experts disagree, August 2014.

He too is delusional.

And you can criticize a Latino, like Ted Cruz, - see, it's all about liberalism

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and no consistency.

I can criticize Ted Cruz all day long-and never - gave thought to him as Latino

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It makes NO DIFFERENCE.

It's like living in backwards world to read these comments. Trying to box with a shadow.

That's what conservatives tried to say about Obama, - but liberals don't listen,

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double standard and hypocrisy.

Sorry, I couldn't see through the sea of - threat signs denoting

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his color with racial slurs.

I am certain statistics will bear out that nationally black racism is a whole lot more prevalent than Hispanic racism. After all, we enslaved black people in America. Not so much with Hispanics...some, but not so much.

I would be much more likely to criticize Carson - and Cruz' "relationship" with God

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and their self-appointed superiority and connection with God than their race.

Though that is a mystery, I'm more concerned with their lack of foreign policy experience - another commenter

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Like the commenter above this one, I forgot all about Cruz being Latino. Shows you where the actual mindset of the question-asker(s) about race and gender today. (I wrote a separate comment on that above, nobody mentioned Carson and Cruz's race or Carly's gender until the question asker(s)themselves did).

As for this comment, I agree that Carson and Cruz's true relationship with God remains a mystery, but I guess I think that's ultimately between them and God. More relevant for my personal vote is the fact that neither have foreign policy experience and we already saw how clear of a problem that can become with Obama.

Everytime this was brought up with Obama, his lack of - experience with foreign

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policy, etc., we were told we are haters and racists. So now liberals are trying to explain their politics away with "rationale" questions. When conservatives do that, we're called bigots, sexist, etc., so the conversation is shut down.

Hypocrisy is what it's called.

Not every time because I didn't, but it depends on the comment. Otherwise, see my above msg - "always/never" statements - nm

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nm

Constant problem here--"not every time" - people are answering

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for others' transgressions. The extreme slurs and generalizations on both sides are being answered as "always," where it is probably just a few on this board.

Most often I post beyond the board's comments and on society on the whole, the people I meet in schools, hospitals, grocery stores and....see on TV.

Your post nailed it 100%. DemAlinsky's called everyone - racist for any negative comment about O

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Their hate filled hearts and language are now being turned back to them. If they hate Carson, Cruz, they must be bigots and racists, and haters. DemAlinsky's have no rationale; otherwise, they would never have voted for crackhead.

ConservAlinskys keep forgetting that hate takes energy, and liberals aren't willing to expend - sm

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that, particularly won't spend a powerful emotion like hate on the likes of hypocrite Dr. Ben "barium enema" Carson (who demonizes every program he and his single mother took full advantage of) and the likes of hypocrite Canadian born Rafael Eduardo Cruz who opposes immigration reform (go figure) and who shut down the government over funding of Obamacare and then later talked about signing up.

If it makes people feel better to call liberals names, they could at least be factual with the name calling. Liberals reserve hate for persons of consequence, and Carson and Cruz are inconsequential and irrelevant.

Cruz and Carson merit pity and laughter and not a thing beyond that. LOL.

What would anyone in the GOP know about - consistency?

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Clown car - burtthecat

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Wonder if they will all wear curly wigs.

Carly apparently didn't learn from Cruz - somebody got her domain

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http://carlyfiorina.org/

But, but, but....... Carly claimed to be the tech savvy candidate. - sm

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What a joke. She is so tech savvy that she didn't buy the domain name, even after what happened to Cruz. Apparently all those millions can't buy you any common sense or technical savvy. Carly is yet another candidate jumping into the clown car who has zero chance of winning the nomination. Why are there going to be two dozen GOP candidates? I call it the Sarah Palin Blueprint. Right-wing voters are so easily parted with their money that there will be no shortage whatsoever of candidates from the Fox "News" infotainment money machine who will run for president, crank out books, and make millions.

They're following the blueprint of Stupid Sarah, and in the immortal words of Sarah: "The Man can only ride ya when your back is bent." The right-wing candidates are happy to take a ride in the GOP clown car for some quick and lucrative cash opportunities from the gullible masses, telling them what they want to hear, until the election is over and the idiots lose credibility and get replaced by new faces and the cycle repeats.

Whatever happened to Silly Sarah?

The hymen remark was a joke he made - when he was in college

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nm

This is a nonissue, but DemAlinsky's will spew this - just like they did the "haircut" Romey

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never gave simply because DemAlinsky;s are not motivated by fact; they are motivated by hate. Their nonsensical, nonissue, lack of fact posts bear that out daily on this board.

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