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State attorneys general sue over health bill


Posted: Mar 23, 2010

State attorneys general sue over health bill

They say bill's requirement to buy health insurance is unconstitutional

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  March 23: Nebraska Attorney General Jon Bruning tells msnbc's Chris Matthews that he, along with 12 other states, is suing the federal government over the individual mandate requirement of the just-passed heath care bill.

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 The ink is still drying on the health care overhaul bill signed into law Tuesday by President Barack Obama, but attorneys general from at least 14 states have filed lawsuits to challenge the legislation.

 Thirteen state attorneys general — 12 Republicans and one Democrat — signed onto one lawsuit against the U.S. departments of Health and Human Services, Treasury and Labor. The top state lawyers in Florida, South Carolina, Nebraska, Texas, Michigan, Utah, Pennsylvania, Alabama, South Dakota, Louisiana, Idaho, Washington and Colorado joined in the complaint filed immediately after the president's signing ceremony.

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 A separate lawsuit was also filed by Virginia's Republican attorney general Tuesday.

 The issue at the heart of the lawsuit is the constitutionality of the so-called "individual mandate," which requires most Americans to have an insurance plan or else pay a federal penalty.

 "The Constitution nowhere authorizes the United States to mandate, either directly or under threat of penalty, that all citizens and legal residents have qualifying health care coverage," the lawsuit reads.

The Department of Justice has said it is confident that the law is constitutional and would prevail in a court challenge.

Here's what's at issue: The Constitution gives Congress the authority "to regulate commerce." In other words, once someone engages in commerce, the government has the power to regulate that activity.

But opponents say that the "commerce clause" does not give the government power to require an individual to buy something — especially insurance for the health of one's own body.

"Just being alive is not interstate commerce," said Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli in a statement before the lawsuit was officially filed. Virginia's General Assembly passed a law earlier this year stating that no resident can be compelled to have health insurance.

 

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Some legal experts agree.

"Never in this nation's history has the commerce power been used to require a person who does nothing, to engage in economic activity," said Professor Randy Barnett of Georgetown University Law Center.

Mandating that all Americans purchase health insurance is akin to "requir[ing] every American to buy a new Chevy Impala every year," to help the automobile industry, Barnett said.

Other law scholars argue that Congress does have the power to regulate activities that have a cumulative effect on the economy.

 

"When uninsured people get sick, they rely on their families for financial support, go to emergency room [often passing on costs to others], or purchase over-the-counter remedies," said Professor Jack Balkin of Yale Law School. "All these effects are economic."

Because Congress believes national health care reform won't succeed unless the uninsured are brought into national risk pools, it can constitutionally regulate their activities, Balkin said.

Another legal issue being debated involves the government's taxing authority.

 

Supporters of the insurance requirement say that it constitutes a tax, not a personal mandate, and that the Constitution gives Congress broad power to tax.

"Challenges to tax laws succeed only when taxes directly or indirectly burden the exercise of fundamental rights, and there is no fundamental right to be uninsured," says Professor Mark Hall of Wake Forest University.

But Barnett and other opponents of the individual mandate say the tax is actually a penalty for not having insurance. It's a fine, they say, not a tax.

"On this theory any fine can be called a 'tax' and Congress can regulate anything at all," Barnett said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36001783/ns/politics-health_care_reform/

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These suits are so ridiculous, the bill passed, it's over, - suits?

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at least till 2012, there is nothing they can do, they are not going to revoke the bill.

I hope Obama will get a 2nd term.

You really think so? - Your in for a surpirse

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Not ridiculous at all. O is rewriting the constitution.nm - ByeBye

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Yes! Let's just go back to the original without all those silly - amendments

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They're just examples of progression. Out with progress!!!!!!

Stupid lawsuits by sore losers (and I DO mean "losers") are - why nothing in this country ever progresses.

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Capitol Hill has been stagnant for years because whenever one group passes something that is a stepping-stone to a better life for most Americans, the other group sues and either throws it out, or stalls it until the proposition becomes dated and unworkable. No wonder why each year, more and more countries have a better standard of living then we do.

People like you are "progressing" us right down - the toilet! ---flush---nm

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Sore losers? States have to, or they will close schools, - shut down prisons.

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Some of these states that are suing is because they cannot afford to keep schools open, pay teachers, keep prisons operating, keep government offices open, etc., if they agree and accept and try to handle OBAMACARE. They just cannot afford to do it. This government run health care is going to cost States money which they do not have. Heck, I seriously do not think the government has the money either or unless you know something I do not know. I thought we are trillions in debt!

Ah yea, stupid law suits....like when Al Gore sued after Bush won in 2000? - Anon

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That lawsuit delayed Bush's transition period by a good 6 weeks, not to mention almost caused a constitutional crisis.
Apples to oranges not valid comparison. - Legislation vs election results.
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Pub states will go down in flames over their latest sore loser tactics and end up costing their taxpayers untold sums as they decry how broke they will be under Obamacare. Money for lawsuits, not for health care. Hypocrisy at its worst and transparent as the day is long, but par for the course for cons an their supporters
It IS a valid comparison, just because you don't like it - doesnt mean it is not valid
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no message
State your case - how is it valid? - Disregarding
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whether anyone likes it or not.

A better life for "most" Americans??? - nnn

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Surely you jest?? Life will remain the same for everyone except the middle class who will have it worse than anyone. Those who already can afford insurance (the rich or well-to-do) will see no change. Those who don't have insurance (the poor) will still get free care and see no change. Only the middle class who make a little more than the poor but not quite as much as the rich will have to dig deeper and be forced to come up with something they don't have. Anyone for this bill is either rich or poor. Anyone in between should be against it and if you call the middle class "most Americans" they're certainly not going to have a "better life" unless their employers furnish their insurance. The reason other countries have a better standard of living is because the citizens of the US are obese and sick and rely on meds to make it through their days. Countries who are forced to subsist on beans, corn and rice are far healthier and need no "health care" whereas most Americans are fat, lazy and sick.
So move - :P
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Why move??? - nnn
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That costs money. It won't be long and we'll join the other socialist and communist nations. Why jump from one frying pan to another? Silly person... ;)
Oh, well then hush up about it. - :P
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Not hardly... - nnn
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I like living in the land of the free and just because O wants to take that from me doesn't mean I should or will go quietly. You hush...do exactly as your leader says. :P
you're the one who made it sound inevitable - So what
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do you expect? Put up or hush up. Move or get rid of your defeatist attitude.
It will be inevitable with O in power... - nnn
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That doesn't mean I have to like it. Now get back with your herd. ;)
lol, you're so much fun to mess - with
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You've got crazy nutty fanatical ideas and you never fail to respond to any garbage post thrown at you. Thanks for the entertainment. Hope you stay around a while.
And you're pretty gullible.... - nnn
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I wish I could say you were entertaining but sheep never are. ;)
Better to be a sheep than - a goat! nm
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LOL! I LOVE the sheep one. Keep em - coming
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Got any more? :)
Hey, freedom of speech still exists, for now! - MN
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Until Obama takes that away too.

did the "birthers" come up with this idea? - constitution

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Here is another article and some more states added - Bluejay

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The proverbial ink had yet to dry on the nation's new health care reform law Tuesday before more than a dozen states filed lawsuits, while others scrambled to put up legislative barricades between themselves and the bill requiring Americans to purchase health insurance or face stiff penalties.

The tactics, employed everywhere from Arizona to Virginia, are the strongest sign that the health care reform fight is far from over.

Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum announced he dropped off his challenge, on behalf of Florida and 12 other states, at the court at 12:02 p.m. ET, minutes after President Obama's signing ceremony to usher in the massive overhaul. Virginia Solicitor General E. Duncan Getchell walked the six blocks from the state attorney general's office in Richmond to the U.S. District Court to file his separate claim that the federal law conflicts with recently passed Virginia law saying no resident shall be required to "maintain or obtain" personal coverage.

In response, the Justice Department issued a statement pledging to "vigorously defend" the constitutionality of the law.

"We are confident that this statute is constitutional and we will prevail when we defend it in court," the statement said.

But the pushback goes beyond the courts. At least 36 state legislatures so far have proposed measures to challenge the constitutionality of the new federal bill, while 29 states are also calling for ballot questions to amend their constitutions and 13 are looking to change state law.

Some states are doing both.

"They're all very different," said Michelle Blackston, spokeswoman for the National Conference of State Legislatures, which is tracking the proposals.

Most states are seeking to prevent their residents from having to follow the new federal requirement to buy health insurance or to pay the coming fines if they don't. Virginia and Idaho already have enacted such laws.

Others are working their way through the legislative process, according to NCSL.

An Arizona proposal to block the so-called "individual mandate" has passed both legislative chambers. A Utah proposal that requires state permission to enact provisions of the federal law has also passed both chambers; a similar measure to Virginian and Idaho has passed one chamber in Tennessee and Georgia; and resolutions on state constitutional amendments have advanced in Florida and Missouri.

Click here to see a list of state legislative actions.

Some of the actions taken require a simple majority while others require two-thirds approval for passage, meaning an overwhelming portion of state lawmakers would have to object to the federal plan.

One problem facing all the state proposals is that federal law generally trumps state law.

Constitutional experts say this means, until a court decision comes along to back them up, the state legislatures' action are mostly symbolic.

But citizen challenges are expected, and at least a dozen state attorneys general have announced their intention to file lawsuits challenging the bill.

Jonathan Turley, law professor at George Washington University, said the interplay between the court cases and the state proposals is key.

He said the state laws prohibiting the mandate from being enforced may not actually stop residents from being fined for not purchasing insurance in the near-term, but they could strengthen the court cases of those challenging the health care bill.

And, in turn, the states may rely on a high-level court decision to be able to exert their independence.

"Ultimately, I think the courts are going to have to resolve this," he said.

Turley said the myriad legal challenges will probably be consolidated and reach the appeals court level, if not the Supreme Court.

"I think the justices would certainly give this a close read for possible review," Turley said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/23/states-plot-block-limit-health-care-reform/

Another article, went from 12-14 states, others will follow - Bluejay

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14 states sue to block health care law
By the CNN Wire Staff
March 23, 2010 6:15 p.m. EDT
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Health reform's legal fight
STORY HIGHLIGHTS

* AGs argue requirement that individuals buy health insurance violates Constitution
* Florida AG Bill McCollum files case, joined by 12 other AGs; Virginia files separate case
* White House spokesman says administration told it would win
* SMU professor: Constitution says laws passed by Congress trump state laws

(CNN) -- Officials from 14 states have gone to court to block the historic overhaul of the U.S. health care system that President Obama signed into law Tuesday, arguing the law's requirement that individuals buy health insurance violates the Constitution.

Thirteen of those officials filed suit in a federal court in Pensacola, Florida, minutes after Obama signed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. The complaint calls the act an "unprecedented encroachment on the sovereignty of the states" and asks a judge to block its enforcement.

"The Constitution nowhere authorizes the United States to mandate, either directly or under threat of penalty, that all citizens and legal residents have qualifying health care coverage," the lawsuit states.

The case was filed by Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum and joined by 11 other Republican attorneys general, along with one Democrat. McCollum said the new law also forces states "to do things that are practically impossible to do as a practical matter, and forcing us to do it without giving any resources or money to do it."
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McCollum's lawsuit was joined by his counterparts in Alabama, Colorado, Idaho, Louisiana, Michigan, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota Texas, Utah and Washington. Virginia's attorney general, Ken Cuccinelli, filed a separate case in his state Tuesday afternoon.

All but one of those state officials, Louisiana's Buddy Caldwell, are Republicans. But McCollum said the case is not a partisan issue and predicted other Democrats would join the suit.

"It's a question for most of us in the states of the costs to our people and to the rights and the freedoms of the individual citizens in upholding our constitutional duties as attorneys general," he said.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Monday that lawyers have advised the administration it would win the lawsuits.

Renee Landers, a law professor at Suffolk University in Massachusetts, said the Constitution gives Congress broad power to regulate commerce and promote the general welfare of Americans.

"If the federal courts follow existing precedents of the United States Supreme Court, I don't think that the claims will be successful," Landers told CNN.

Ryan Wiggins, a spokesman for McCollum, said the case was filed in Pensacola because "we were told that out of all of the places to file in Florida, Pensacola would move the quickest on it."

At least one of the officials who signed onto the lawsuit has run into criticism back home. Washington Gov. Chris Gregoire, a Democrat, criticized Republican Attorney General Rob McKenna for joining the case and said she would actively oppose the suit.

Separately, legislatures in three dozen states are considering proposed legislation aimed at blocking elements of the health care bill. But Cal Jillson, a political science professor at Southern Methodist University in Texas, said the Constitution says laws passed by Congress trump state laws.

"We've got a very conservative Supreme Court, but they're not about to overturn 200 years of Constitutional history and interpretation and declare that the supremacy clause is no longer in effect," Jillson said.

So it continues, the tearing apart. Wasn't....sm - oldtimer

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Nebraska the state that wanted special treatment with the reform bill? Now they want to sue because they couldn't have their way? Nebraska is not credible.

Acc to the Constitution the government has the right - sm

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to raise taxes for the general welfare.

So stated in the Constitution.

However, they do NOT have the right to force - you into buying health insurance.nm

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Like states do not have the right to mandate auto insurance? - Wanna bet?

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If you take time out to read up on the legal precedents established in the points of law contained in this challenge (instead of broadcasting the cons latest battle cries and mantras), you will realize how two-faced these claims are and the impending and inevitable failure this exercise in futility is bound to meet.

If I were a con, I would be really tired and resentful of these incessant calls to arms that mock democratic process and end up making this fringe faction look like impotent fools.
auto insurance - ?
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An individual may choose whether or not to operate a motor vehicle.
What is mandated in the healthcare bill requires purchase of insurance by virtue of having been born.
You are wrong. Driving is a privilege. You dont HAVE to - have a car or own a home, but
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if you are alive, you have a body. Totally different and you know it. You can choose to have a car.
Being alive doesn't necessarily mean... - nnn
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you are going to need health care and, therefore, health insurance. I've known people who never in their lives have seen a doctor or were ever in a hospital for any reason. Why should they have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars over their lifetime "just in case?" If you feel vulnerable or unable to control your health, then by all means spend, spend, spend, but some of us can and do control many aspects of our health. Most people would not have a car if they didn't intend to drive it; therefore, if you have a car you might need insurance to protect you from other stupid drivers. We all have a body. Some of us try to protect it while others could care less and rely on drugs, treatments and surgery. As you said, totally different.
You don't HAVE to - be the
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south end of a horse either, but people who think they're completely in control of their health and nothing bad will happen to them choose to be.
Accidents are not in the same category - nnn
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as health disorders we acquire by our own irresponsible actions and you know it. ;)
You seem to think that's the only "disorder" - there is
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i.e. one acquired by your own irresponsible actions. Again, you missed the point. Must be that south end of the horse thing.

Well, heck, why don't we raise them to 50% or even 75% of our income... - Anon

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Why don't we just give them our paycheck and let us keep what they don't spend?

You seriously think they have the "right" to tax us whatever they want, or do you have a limit? And if they go over that limit, do you think we should just sit there and keep quiet?

If so, we would never have become a sovereign nation and today we would be singing "God Save the Queen."

according to history - cj

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when taxes (that is total taxes, not just income taxes) begin to approach a higher proportion than what the worker keeps in his wallet, it is a recipe for revolution. So add up your income tax, all federal and state, social security tax, property tax, what you pay in sales tax annually and any other tax you can think of and compare it to what stays in your wallet. It may be in the constitution but it sure isn't bright. I think I recall a phrase - yup, taxation without representation, that's it.

Do you believe you aren't - represented?

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Why would that be? Because you don't agree with the people the citizens elected to represent?
i believe.... - cj
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that the majority of americans were not represented. the polls overwhelmingly showed the public did not support THIS bill so you bet I believe they were not represented. but my more important point was the level of taxation we are approaching is historically vert dangerous.

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So....a friend is for our US health care reform (already retired and on Medicare) because he had no trouble going to Canada to get laser surgery on his eyes so he wouldn't have to wear glasses and states there is nothing wrong with the Canadian system....but, and I'm asking a serious question here, how long do people really wait for emergent surgery if they belong to the Canadian system versus the American system as we have it now? How did Canada get their health care system up and ru ...

General Strike? And MTI CommentsMar 11, 2011
Pray tell what the Socialist Equality Party has to do with unions in WI? This is part of the Socialist Party usually found in colleges.   Socialist Equality Party calling for a general strike. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/mar2011/madi-m11.shtml   From the Madison Teachers Inc. School Board: It remains unclear when the bill will take effect. The Secretary of State’s Office must publish the bill within 10 business days of it being signed. The bill would take effect the d ...