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Sharia Law coming to a town near you?

Posted: Feb 7, 2011

This video is interesting. Why does America have to deal with those who won't assimalate to our country? I can see some reasoning for those that follow Sharia, but if they want to work in public-oriented jobs, then they should deal with the whole job kit-and-kaboodle.. The Target segment really got to me. If we refuse to do all parts of our job, we get fired.

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I sure hope not. And we wonder what is wrong - with our country

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It is all about being politically correct. I have my own religious convictions, and I would not work in a place that I feel would be against my religion.

If they don't believe in eating pork, then why would they take a paycheck from a company that sells it, or why would you be a cab driver if you can't provide rides for all? Better yet, why move here?

This is why I can't stand Fox! - no1joe

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I really don't like their spin on things. This is an issue that has been going on for a long time, and the vibe I get (again... just speaking for myself here) from watching the clip is that there is some scary invasion of Muslims looking to change the laws in the good old US of A to "Islamic law" in a state where the liberals are just going to bow down and roll out the red carpet.

Any business, in this case Target, that can accommodate someone's religious beliefs without changing the course of business should be commended... not only for keeping their employees happy, but for doing what's right. If an employer can make NOT violating someone's religious beliefs during the course of the work day possible, then they should do it! It's done all the time. For instance, in the MT field, there are those who refuse to type up any abortion procedures due to their religious beliefs. For an MT working for an MTSO where these reports aren't the norm, the situation is handled easily... just send that particular report to another MT when it comes up. Would that same MT be able to work for a company/facility where the majority of the reports had to do with that? No. It would interfere with the course of business, and that MT would not be able to effectively do that job. Accommodations are made all the time for every religion you can think of, and no one ever hears about it.

Now, as for khat, from what I've read, it isn't a hallucinogenic. However, hallucinogenic does sound much more frightening and makes me think of LSD-crazed hippies. Here's a less panicky version: It's more of a stimulant and an appetite suppressant which can cause a sense of euphoria and is sometimes used during periods of religious fasting (which is where the use in religion comes in). It's illegal, Fox. Period. Yes, there may be more of it around if the population/culture in the area demands it, as with any illegal substance unfortunately, but it will be treated just like any other illegal substance would be, and violators will be prosecuted. So, there won't be any crazy Muslims "tripping out" while driving a cab or working in Target. Again, from what I've read, it's used during fasting more to keep hunger down than anything else... not part of a religious ceremony. Therefore, it won't be legalized. Even if it was part of religious ritual, there are other religions in this country (peyote to the American Indians, the "blood of Christ" to those Catholics old enough to receive communion but still not of drinking age) where it is not criminalized during ritual with no detrimential effects to the surrounding community.

IMO, assimilation should NOT mean giving up or changing one's religious beliefs. So, when Fox keeps pushing the fact that these individuals refuse to "assimilate," I hope they're 100% correct in their reporting there.

Oh... and before I end my rant, I just have to add that the only thing I find more disconcerting than Fox's coverage on topics like this is the RESPONSE from the public! It's ugly and, quite frankly, bigoted. End of rant.

Now, on a more personal level, it irritates me to no end knowing that if I didn't do the whole kit-and-kaboodle, or even became a slightly "squeaky wheel," I would be out of a job... quickly. It irritates me more ESPECIALLY when I see all the incompetence at all levels. I always wondered where I could get a gig where I was well paid for doing a really poor job and putting in no effort. I just get NJA :/

Fox provided a news story. - see message

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They are not reporting some "scary invasion of muslims trying to change the law", they are reporting what is going on. Sorry it wasn't sweetened up with the politically correctness spin.

My feeling is that's fine that Target was able to accomodate this person so she wouldn't have to handle pork, but the first thing I thought of is why is a person going to work for a place that sells pork (or anything else they don't believe in). One thing I learned a long time ago is that during interviews they would ask if there is anything that would prevent me from doing my job. When the person accepted to work in a place where they sell pork then that person has the problem. Again glad the store was able to accomodate her, but why should they. Here is a question that should be asked...If there were no other cashiers around to ring out the purchase, would the customer have had to put the pork back and not buy it because it's against the cashier's religious beliefs to touch pork (which technically she would not not been touching pork, she would have been touching plastic).

As for the cab driver..that is discrimination - not picking up a passenger and if he can't do his job he was hired to do and gets paid to do then that person should be fired. This is America. If he doesn't like it then he should go back to the country that suits his beliefs.

All I know is this is America. People eat pork, people drink alcohol, people travel with dogs, etc, etc. If people cannot handle dealing with them and providing a service they are hired to do to these people (which they receive a paycheck from), then these people should not have the job. I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't have a job that would gladly touch a piece of plastic or give a person a ride no matter what they are carrying or look like.

And that ends my rant. :-)

Well, this is proof that Fox has done it's job - no1joe

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This was spun to get people all worked up against Muslims and liberals. FYI, Fox first reported this back in early 2007... almost 4 years ago. In the interim, what has happened? Where is the Muslim State of Minnesota backed by the liberals? Where are all the hallucinating Muslims under the influence of khat?

Feedback like this has someone at Fox grinning ear to ear... maybe they'll even get a promotion.

I'm sorry but I just disagree - see message

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I just don't agree. Granted I'm sick of Fox and don't hardly watch anymore cos it's the same ol same ol and nothing interesting, but I just don't agree that this was "spin to get people all worked up against Muslims and liberals". First, it has nothing to do with liberals. Second it was just a story about something happening in the United States. It was a story that we would never see on the other stations because the other stations are too worried about being so PC that they never report what's really going on.

I don't think anyone is grinning ear to ear at Fox. They are just doing their job by providing a news story. The people of the country are smart enough and I really don't see too much "fear" running through Americans over a story like this. Sure there are a few, but that could be said about anything. You really should give Americans more credit than you do.

Sorry, but I will just have to respectfully disagree with you on this.

This is not a news piece. It is pure propaganda - straight up, laced with lies. sm

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In other words, what most of us have come to expect from Fox.

The lead sentence is "MN is on its way to being America's first Somali-Moslem state" Editorial is too kind of a word to describe this statement. It is inflammatory propaganda pure and simple, aimed at seizing the attention of and ratcheting up fear among our least educated citizens, not to mention the fact that it is also a big fat lie.

Target "agreed to go along with Sharia law?" NOT. They decided to respect their employee by accommodating his or her strongly held religious beliefs. I agree with no1joe. They should be commended, not condemned for this. By the way Moslems share this same belief with Jews (Halal vs Kosher), yet we do not hear Fox warning us that the Jews are taking over MN. Why? Because that does not serve its immediate agenda of marginalizing Moslems and calling them out for not assimilating, AS IF their desire to preserve their own cultures, practices and beliefs is some sort of crime and that their "bringing their culture" to MN poses a dreadful threat.

Nothing to do with liberals huh? Might want to listen to the beginning of the closing (at 2:10), where typically in a news piece, the main point is made or reiterated. "MN is FAMOUSLY LIBERAL." Hyperbolic lie. Even though they went for Obama in 2008, throughout its history MN has voted red (20 times) more than blue (17 times) After all, it is the state which gave us Michele Bachmann. Famously liberal? I dont think so. So why, one must ask, has Fox inserted this fib into their flap?

Chek out 1:30, where the newscaster characterizes the events as an "ONSLAUGHT AGAINST their (MN) culture and law." Or where he asks if MN voters are going to be so (gasp) open minded and vote to allow Sharia law to take over.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

PS. Might want to check out the comments section. !st one up - calls for Holy War. Just sayin. nm

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okay, so it was made up? These things didn't happen - see message

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There was no taxi driver that refused to pick up passengers? There was no employee of Target that refused to handle a package of pork?

My apologies then. I didn't realize this didn't happen. Guess I should check Snopes before assuming that because I saw a news piece about it that it didn't really happen.

Do you always try so hard to miss the point? - sm

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No one said they didnt happen. They did. Problem is they served up a huge helping of divisive fear-mongering and xenophobic spin along with a fib or two and a heap of self-righteous indignation along with those facts.

On the subject of manufactured news, Fox has been busted on more than a few occasions for doctoring video. They even have a politically correct term they use for it whenever they get caught. They call it an inadvertent error.

Excellent post. - TYVM. nm

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FYI: This was not a Fox station that also has O'Reilly, Hannity, etc. - Backwards Typist

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Fox owns TV stations that has news and shows other than the one that everyone hates. So, you don't watch House or any other shows they air?

In my area, there are 5 Fox channels and only one has O'Reilly, Hannity, etc. The others have regular programming.

So, because you don't like one station's "spin", you won't watch any of them? Isn't that a little prejudiced?

Moi? Prejudiced? - no1joe

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Really???!? I was talking Fox News here, whether it be on cable TV or in print online. Of course I watch other Fox channels. Not regularly, but when Gordon Ramsay is on... I watch. I also watch FX, again not regularly.

As for Fox News... I watch that too. When my friend is in town and stays with us (which he does often), I have no choice. If he's in the house, Fox News is on pretty much at all times. Once in a while, I'll turn it on just to see a different POV. Most of the time, that's exactly what I get... a better understanding of someone else's POV. I might not agree with it, but I get where they're coming from which I think is a good thing. Then there are the bits here and there that just leave my jaw hanging wide open.

Think about it... rewind the clock to 2007 when this story first aired. Think about what was going on politically at the time and ask yourself if it would have been to anyone's advantage to arouse some fear over Muslims and liberals.

I just don't understand how some people - sm

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see what Islamic extremists have done to our country (remember 9/11)as well as the continued threats, etc....and not be afraid of that particular group. The honor beatings and killings, death to homosexuals, stoning for extramarital affairs, death to non-believers and those who renounce their Islamic faith, etc. It isn't like they try to hide their hatred of the western world and non-belivers. They are pretty open about it. Why do so many of you turn a blind eye to all of this?

Because everyone has to be PC, remember? - Zville MT

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We can't hurt anyone's feelings!

Unless they're conservative. Or Christian.

Hmmm. Could it be coz all Moslems are not - Islamic extemists?

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Might want to try turning your own blind eye away from all the hype.

Please show me where I said - all Muslims

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are Islamic extremists as I never said that. So I would appreciate it if you would stop putting words in my mouth.

Maybe it was the vague reference to - sm

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"that particular group," and not knowing whether you were talking about Moslems (as in Islamic) or extemists. Your comment is embedded in a thread that was discussing Fox News biased, prejudicial and inflammatory presentation of MOSLEM workers (not extremists) bringing Sharia law to MN. Granted, Fox would like to imply that all Moslems are, in fact, extremists, an impression that several posters took issue with.

Your post reiterates Sharia law and proposes that "many" turn a blind eye to what Islamic extremists have done to our country. Thus, based on the content of the thread, I do not think it is unreasonable to conclude that the Moslems discussed in the video clip and preceding posts were being characterized as extremists in your comments and that the posters who took issue with the Fox News presentation were part of the "many" you referred to as turning a blind eye.

It was my intent to stay on topic and express opposition to the Fox News presentation and their underpinning suggestions that Moslems who fail to assimilate into the US mainstream while trying to preserve their religious and cultural practices are trying to establish Sharia laws in MN, which you clearly believe are extreme. I never intended to put words in your mouth. I trust we both now have clarified our positions.

Okay...so let's say that a person - sm

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takes a job who is a Christian (I know...such a bad word to some of you libs) but this person wants every Sunday off to go to church and worship. What do you do? Should this employer allow this particular person every Sunday off because of his/her religious beliefs?

I think so... - JRD

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After all, if a person is entitled to "pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," why not let this person do what makes them happy, which is go to church on a particular day. We allow females to kill their young, if that's what makes them happy. We allow homosexuals to get "married" if that's what makes them happy. Why shouldn't a person be allowed a day off to worship if that's what makes them happy? Why should some people be allowed to pursue happiness but not everyone? I personally turned a job down because I had to work on Saturday, which is my chosen "Sabbath." This job paid far more than what I make transcribing but my beliefs took precedence because those are what make me happy. Some people have to make sacrifices for their happiness, others make demands and hurl accusations to pursue their happiness.

Okay...since you readily agreed with the - sm

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Christian wanting Sunday off to worship...what do you do with an employee who is Muslim and wants to participate in Mecca. Do they get the time off too because of their religious beliefs?

You say you turned down a job offer because it wouldn't have given you Saturday off (as your chosen Sabbath). Fine...that was your decision but an employer has no obligation...or should it...to give you every Saturday off just because it is your chosen Sabbath especially when most other employees for that company work Saturdays. Why should you be the exception to the rule?

If we make changes for every single person to keep them happy in regards to their beliefs...the work place could be total chaos.

Weekends.... - JRD

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should be given off for everyone, except doctors and nurses. Jesus didn't quit healing the sick on the Sabbath. Our society needs to learn to slow down. Lots of countries take more time off than we do here in the US. It wouldn't hurt anything. The work place doesn't have to be total chaos. Americans just choose to make it so. If an employer chooses to hire you because he/she thinks you would be an asset, then yes that employer should make concessions for a person's beliefs. It can be very difficult to find work if employers keep making everyone work more and more and more. If a person wants off because of religious beliefs, they should be let off as long as other employees get the same amount of time off, if they choose to work on Saturday. I'm not asking for special privileges. I am asking that an employer respect my religious beliefs, which not many will do. BTW, Saturday is also God's chosen Sabbath. ; )

God's chosen Sabbath was - the 7th day in which

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he rested. I guess it depends if you consider Sunday the beginning of the week or the end of the week as this is still disputed by some which is the true Sabbath.

As for doctors and nurses, etc....there are many other people involved in healthcare that need to work on Saturday and/or Sunday to provide care for the sick. Dieticians in the hospital, MTs, etc.

I understand your point to an extent and it wouldn't kill us to get more time off and actually slow down and relax a bit....but an employer hires people for certain jobs and certain schedules. That employer shouldn't have to be required to make adjustments for everyone's personal beliefs.

IMO, this is just more political correctness which only opens up a HUGE can of worms and creates problems.

If you go by... - JRD

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the calendar, which has never changed, the first day of the week starts with Sunday and always has. Man calls Saturday and Sunday, the weekend but, according to the calendar, Sunday is the first day. Many people say it doesn't matter. It must have mattered to God, if he told us to remember one certain day and I don't think he told us to chose between 2 days. I include health care "people" even though I didn't give them in my example. These aren't just "personal" beliefs...these are religious beliefs...a big difference and very important to many people. I really don't see how days off is such a big adjustment for businesses to make. There are always others willing to work on those days. Not allowing someone to practice their religious beliefs also opens up a HUGE can of worms and creates problems. If you don't believe me, ask a Muslim. ;)

Hello. There is a difference between obligation - and accommodation.

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No one is suggesting making changes for every single person, blah, blah, blah, but the fact that you are trying to take the report to that place just serves to support no1joes posts.

You and this #1 Joe... - JRD

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obviously do not ever disagree with each other or you are one and the same. It's always easier to agree with yourself.

Now, who are you accusing me of being? - no1joe

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Please, let it be the 1st responder to the "Shari'ah aw" post above or the person who posted the "Wow yourself" response below. Oh... I'll gladly accept being accused of being the "This is not a news piece..." poster too.

Unfortunately for me, they are much more eloquent than I. I wish I could write like that. Compare the writing styles, and mine would be the weakest one... I'll admit it.

Unfortunately for you, I always use the same moniker with 1 exception. I don't use it if I am posting a response on the company board asking questions about my former employer... I still have to use them as a reference, and I guess I get a little paranoid about them finding out my poor opinion of them. Also, I gave up responding on this post when you chimed in... others too, but you especially. It's totally off point now; however, I'm responding now because I feel like I'm being called out for something I didn't do.

PS - Thank you for your take on my moniker. It's actually supposed to be "No one Joe," but if you feel that I'm #1, that's nice to know.

Don't feel you have to explain... - JRD

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just my observation is all.

Yep. You nailed all the posts from the person she - accuses you of being.

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I should know, since they are all mine, including the one to which she posted this response. High five.

Or could it mean that we share common views along with - millions of other Americans...

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lets say, just as an example, the 69.5 million who elected our current president? Fact is I have no idea how he voted, but I can say categorically we are not one in the same, though I do find myself on the same page with him more often than not. In my personal estimation, no1joe is a bit more moderate than I. One thing I do appreciate about him is that he always seems to do his best to be respectful and civil, is logical, armed with knowledge and facts and does not often let his emotions cloud his judgment...a rare find on this board no doubt. I, on the other hand, tend to respond in kind. I return respect when it is extended, enjoy a well informed debate, but do not hesitate to answer rude with rude when the situation calls for it. This current post would be an exception to that general practice of mine.

My opinion - sm

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If you don't like our laws, go back where you came from! This is really getting ridiculous how people come from other countries and think we should change for them. I shouldn't have to push 1 for English, not buy pork because someone can't handle it, not get a cab because I am blind, etc.

I certainly wouldn't go to another country and demand that they change their laws for me. I would have to adapt to their laws if I chose to live there.

It is absolutely ridiculous how we are accommodating all these foreigners. I really don't care what their religious beliefs are. Every religion has their own beliefs but we don't change laws to accommodate them. We don't ban cars and electricity because the Amish people don't use it.

If you can't live with our laws, go home! You are in our country, not yours.

Your words...sm - JRD

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"Every religion has their own beliefs but we don't change laws to accommodate them."

Not exactly true. Whether it's a regligious belief or just a belief, this country has changed laws to accommodate many people. Case in point--homosexuals and homosexual marriage.

Your words--"If you can't live with our laws, go home! You are in our country, not yours." This is my country--I was born and raised here as were my parents, grandparents and great grandparents and I have to live with laws I don't care for so where do I go? This is my home.

Your words--"I certainly wouldn't go to another country and demand that they change their laws for me." If you're homosexual, why would you need to go anywhere? You can cry discrimination/homophobia and get the laws changed right here. So many think they have to be catered to and that includes our own citizens with their own special agendas. Why get upset with these people who don't want to touch pork, especially if they are American citizens, just because you don't like their "beliefs?" I don't touch the nasty stuff either and wouldn't take a job where I was required to--for example a slaughter house for pigs--but in this country where jobs are not that easy to find, I would want some concessions made for me also if I was forced to do something I didn't believe in just to put food on the table. If homosexuals can change the laws of the land to suit their agendas, why not someone else?

We don't ban cars and electricity for the Amish; however, if an Amish person had to drive a car to do a certain job, we might let him/her ride his/her bicycle instead if it didn't interfere with the job. It's getting ridiculous how people from THIS country think we should change for them--in particular our beliefs about marriage and family. We don't have to go to another country to find those who "make demands." We are lucky to have those kind right here in the good ole USA.

Just curious....how did this - sm

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conversation turn into a homosexual issue?

I used it as an example... - JRD

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because it happens to be a very good one.

OMG, you are so right! - Zville MT

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I really never thought about it that way, but there are plenty of people that were born and raised here in this country who now expect the rest of us to change because of what they believe in. It's no wonder the people from other countries think they can come over here and bully us into doing whatever they want - they see what the people of our own country are doing every day!

Wow - talk about food for thought - thanks!

Exactly... - JRD

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We have become subservient to a radical group of homosexuals who expect us to change the laws and, if we don't they cry discrimination/homophobia. We have to be PC or pay the price, even those of us who find it abhorrent and immoral. The Muslims would have a heyday over here and they are just biding their time.

an example - wrmt

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Like in a neighboring city of mine, Dearborn, Michigan. Henry Ford Community College and the University of Michigan, Dearborn (not private colleges) had to install foot baths because the men were washing their feet in the bathroom sinks before prayers 5 times a day.

If the money had come from private donors, it would be a totally different story for me. Because I don't agree with my tax dollars being used for this, I'm now considered Islamaphobic (or whatever)?! It's the fact that it is paid for by the school that gets my panties in a bunch.

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jul/30/nation/na-muslim30

What I don't understand - sm

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is why liberals defend Muslims and their religion when Sharia Law oppresses women and a lot of Muslims believe that those who aren't Muslim should die. However, they hate Christians and constantly say that Christians ram their religion down their throats and have no trouble bad mouthing that religion. I just don't get it.

We have a Muslim extremist problem all over the world and this is slowly infiltrating our own country and all liberals can do is defend religious freedom when it comes to Muslims but bad mouth Christians every chance they get.

The reason is because... - JRD

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liberals are fools. They have yet to see that Christians will tolerate their immoral ways but Muslins won't. How much more foolish than that can you get??

Well...I don't know if they are fools but - sm

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they certainly contradict their own beliefs when they stand up for Muslims.

Liberals want equality for homosexuals.
Muslims kill homosexuals.

Liberals are all for equality for women.
Muslims oppress their women.

You just proved my point...nm - JRD

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An impressive iceberg arrived in Newfoundland’s Goose Cove in mid-July. “Icebergs float in from Greenland,” said the photographer, Gene Patey. This one briefly blocked the town’s harbor before breaking apart and melting, “but the fishermen took their chances.” (Photo: Gene Patey) ...

Mar 06, 2010
By Lee Fang on Mar 4th, 2010 at 7:00 pm An evangelical Christian hate group called “Repent Amarillo” is reportedly terrorizing the town of Amarillo, Texas. Repent fashions itself as a sort of militia and targets a wide range of community members they deem offensive to their theology: gays, liberal Christians, Muslims, environmentalists, breast cancer events that do not highlight abortion, Halloween, “spring break events,” and pornography shops. On its website, Repent has ...

Sep 08, 2010
Rahm Emanuel expected to quit White House Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff, is expected to leave his job in six to eight months after growing tired of the "idealism" of Barack Obama's inner circle. Washington insiders say they believe he could depart not long after crucial elections in November. Mr Emanuel, 50, enjoys a good working relationship with Mr Obama but they are understood to have reached an understanding that differences over style mean he will serve only hal ...

May 17, 2013
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/17/us/georgia-brady-center-suit/index.html?hpt=us_c2 ...

Aug 14, 2013
They're hardly alone in that. Our new congressman's "town halls" are a joke. He hides at the other end of a phone line his constituents can only listen in on, prescreened and scripted "questions" the only ones "answered," all statements made in politicalese--inane blurb devoid of information alternating with catchphrases designed to focus fear and resentment on the other party. Just wish the Tea Party and Freedom Works would start demonstrasting in his office; he was their candidate ...

Feb 23, 2017
address as Soros-funded group. A group serving as a central hub of information for congressional town halls was founded by a former Hillary Clinton campaign staffer and its parent company is located at the same address as an organization funded by liberal billionaire George Soros. Democrats have insisted that recent town hall outbursts against Republican politicians occurred organically, likening them to the Tea Party, while President Donald Trump yesterday tweeted that the "so-called ang ...

Mar 29, 2016
if Trump gets rid of the illegals because his farm depends on their help and other farmers do as well. Trump is saying for people who "need" their help, i.e. Latinos, they could have Visas to come here and work but they would not be illegal. Guess Trump does not know so many Latinos have gotten here just that way, Visa and then stay. So much for his getting rid of all the illegals. ...

May 28, 2011
are at my neighbor's house. I just get five phone calls in the last five minutes from friends and family wondering if the cops are at my house! No they're not and I'm not dealing drugs, no murder/suicide, no domestic dispute! I'm just sitting here workiing. Oh and I don't know what's going on at my neighbors because it's NONE OF MY BUSINESS! And I'm not going to be a lookiloo and go asking around! Geez! I' ...

Mar 03, 2011
This links to a fascinating yet long article well worth the time it takes to read it. Many of the posts on this forum over the past couple of days help to lend much credence to the concerns raised in this piece. Here are a few choice highlights from it. HBGary people are talking about creating "personas", what we would call sockpuppets. But for a defense contractor with ties to the federal government, Hunton & Williams, DOD, NSA, and the CIA - whose enemies are ...