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Putin see $5B in Arms for Chavez


Posted: Apr 6, 2010

I hope the U.S. is keeping an eye on Columbia. This can't be good.

 

Venezuela may spend more than $5 billion to buy Russian weapons, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said Monday, signaling that the country is a larger market than Russia had expected.

Putin, who met Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Friday, did not say what time span the potential contracts would cover, but he implied that they were almost a done deal.

“Sources for funding have been generally determined and agreed with our partners,” he told a government meeting on the defense industry.

Venezuela’s spending on Russian weapons would include the $2.2 billion seven-year loan that Moscow promised to extend to Caracas in September, Putin said. Venezuela has not drawn from the credit line yet.

In asking for the loan, Caracas said it intended to buy several S-300 air defense systems and 92 T-72 tanks.

Putin’s announcement Monday indicated that the trade might go well beyond those previous plans, however. He did not disclose what additional supplies Venezuela was considering, although he did say the contracts would go to 13 companies, including the Izhmash plant, which is the maker of Kalashnikov assault rifles, and “one of the plants in Tula.”

Read more here: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/putin-sees-5bln-in-arms-for-chavez/403337.html

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Kinda like the 3 billion dollars we send EVERY YEAR - to arm Israel? sm

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That $500 for EACH Israeli citizen every single year. And Boy Howdy, do they get a lot of bang for the buck!

Israel is an ally. Chavez is a communist and will not think twice about - Backwards Typist

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killing anyone who doesn't agree with him. Plus he's closer to the USA than Israel.

Are you against Israel? It's an honest question. They have been fighting for their country since 1948.

I admit that Netanyahu is getting a bit over zealous, but you have to realize that they are a small country surrounded by Muslins who have threatened umpteen times to destroy them. They need to defend themselves. I don't agree with some of the stuff they do to the Palestinians but the UN (I think) gave them the land they defend today. Plaestinians want to squeeze them out to a tiny section that doesn't include Jerusalem, which is the holiest of holy land.

Hello. Chavez is a socialist, not a communist. - Please dont exaggerate....

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Still, that would make Russia a fairly natural ally to someone like Chavez. In politics, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If we can ally ourselves with blood-thirsty war criminals, arm them to the teeth (including bankrolling Israeli nuclear weaponry), destabilize the entire region and fuel international terrorism with 6 decades of war profiteering, how in the world do we have a leg to stand on to criticize arms deals between Russia and Venezuela? Get real.

What in heaven's name have you been reading or listening to that has you believing Chavez has military designs on the US? Don't you think your stereotype of conjured up killer commies is a bit overblown? BTW, I repeat myself here. Chavez is not a communist. He is a socialist. Specifically, he is a Bolivarian socialist...a system that incorporates grassroots participatory democracy. What he is not is a capitalist. That does not make him a communist. Got it?

Yes, it's an honest question. I having nothing against Jewish people or Israeli citizens. But yes, I abhor Zionism. Please don't even try to rewrite their continued occupation of Palestine since 1948 and recast it as some sort of noble cause. Not only are they occupiers, but they are also purveyors of apartheid. There is nothing noble about calculated annihilation of an entire population in the name of nationalism. Holocaust victims who politicized their nationalism became Zionist victimizers, a concept that flies in the face of any logical outcome of their own historic experience with racial purity and nationalist extremism that would exterminate people by the millions.

If you enjoy keeping up with foreign news as you claim, why not try reading up a little on the other side of that story? Ever really tried to get the perspective of the Palestinians (notice I did not say "Muslins"...I assume you meant Moslems)? No, I do not mean the perspective of the terrorists. I am referring to the Palestinian people. The land belongs to them too. Israel and the US would have us all foget that, but let me state clearly here, that will never never, never happen.

If you are open minded in the slightest, and were you to read the real, unadulturated history of the region, especially over the last 100 years (since the Sykes-Picot Agreement and the insinuation of the West into the region), you would learn about unimaginable and horrific human suffering at the hands of the Israelis and be ashamed that the US is or ever has been party to it. Palestine (or any of the other Arab countries, for that matter) never BELONGED to the West or the UN and therefore were not theirs to "give away" to anybody.

Nevertheless, you are sort of on the right track when you refer to the UN "giving" Israel land...but they also gave Palestine land at the same time...land that Israel has splintered, torn up, divided, destroyed and superimposed Jewish settlements all over. It is the Palestinians who are on the defensive, not Israel. If you could see a map of land owned by Palestinians in 1948 and what has transpired between 1948 and 2010, you would understand exactly why the Palestinians continue to arm themselves and fight for their country. They have given, given and given more and more and more away and are practically left with nothing at all....including water.

Please don't get me started. I trust I have ansered your question sufficiently.

Just in case you are interested, even a little, I am providing a link to facinating maps that go a long way in explaining the Palestinian plight. Pay particular attention to the maps after 2000, and click onto the images provided on the right side for full impact.

http://www.passia.org/palestine_facts/MAPS/0_pal_facts_MAPS.htm

I saw the map a few months ago. Also read up on - Backwards Typist
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both Israel and Palestine. But, Chavez is fast approaching communism with the government takeovers of businessess, radio and TV stations.

You have not heard the threats Chavez has made against the U.S. about a year ago? This is the reason he is getting military equipment from Russia. If not us in his sights, why else would he need to upgrade his military?

I do not agree with what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, but as far as I know, it was Hammas located in Palestine that started this latest fiasco a few years ago.

To refresh your memory, read the definitions I have posted below. There's not much different between socialism and communism.

Main Entry: com�mu�nism
Pronunciation: �käm-y�-�ni-z�m, -yü-
Function: noun
Etymology: French communisme, from commun common
Date: 1840
1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2 capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively


Main Entry: so�cial�ism
Pronunciation: �s�-sh�-�li-z�m
Function: noun
Date: 1837
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done



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