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Pakistani Police make arrests in girls shooting

Posted: Oct 12, 2012

Several suspects were arrested Friday in the Taliban shooting of a defenseless 14-year-old Pakistani girl over her advocacy of education for women, authorities said.

This is Sharia/Muslim law. Shoot anyone, especially children and women, who speak out against them. At least prayers are working and she's in satisfactory condition, and for sure.....thank heavens the would-be murderer was a bit of a bad shooter.

Few details were available from police about the suspects or their roles in the attack that disgusted people around the globe.

But a Taliban spokesman acknowledged that the shooting of Malala Yousufzai was plotted like a mob hit for weeks before a would-be killer pumped a bullet in her head.

A team of shooters spent two months studying the daily route taken to school by the teenager before shooting and wounding her Tuesday, Taliban spokesman Sirajuddin Ahmad said.

Two hit squad members were experienced in delivering gunshots to the head, he said — adding that the teen was targeted for her “Western thinking” about education.

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Malala's a wonderful girl. She would be unhappy at your - notion of her religion, though. What you describe

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is a very extreme, reactionary perversion that has nothing of the wisdom and decency of real Islam. The Islam not only of Malala and her family, but all the people who grieve for her and are out putting their own lives on the line to protest that was done to her.

BTW, that 20-25% of the population (any population) that are strongly authoritarian, subjecting themselves to an authority, giving it unquestioning loyalty, then becoming aggressive on its behalf? THAT'S the type of person who joins what the Taliban has become and then kills people in the name of god.

We have our own 20-25% here that we really need to worry about because they're off the leash, and their resentful, unquestioning attitudes of allegiance to their own and hostility to others are poisoning our mainstream culture--a topic of intense discussion among political scientists and sociologists. The situation is ripe for a "double-high" authoritarian leader to organize them and another 20% and more who've adopted some of their attitudes. There are plenty around in positions of authority, but so far they're worked within our systems. Any evil agendas have been relatively small. Governor Scott Walker supposedly fits the double-high profile, for instance (but psychologists are stepping very carefully around these people, as you can imagine).

BTW, authoritarian personalities don't subject themselves to just anyone. They're not crazy. They're ordinary people. They first decide they approve of someone, accept that person or group and come to identify with it, and only then give it unquestioning loyalty.

The really scary part? In the process they expect the authority to act as the group conscience--and give up examining their actions for themselves. They just tuck their consciences away in mothballs. They can because they know they and their leaders are on the path of righteousness and their job is to be supportive of their leader's decisions. This is how the Taliban can murder little girls, and how even some members of our own military can also murder little girls.

You're on very thin ice.... - SK1

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I will respect your comment about Islam, but your segue into our government was a stretch and your comment regarding our military was ENTIRELY inappropriate. For now I will hold my tongue aside from saying that your use of the Taliban and our military in one sentence was BEYOND THE PALE.

Reread--people who do evil in the name of good - are in both organizations and one sentence.

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People capable of losing the capacity to examine their own actions for good and evil are in all political parties. They're pushing carts in grocery stores. They can be found playing tennis down at the parks, trying on clothes at Marshall's, AND in lines to vote.

Don't spin your own words... - SK1

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I have no reason to reread what you wrote, although in doing so I note that your post has been edited from "many members of our own military can also murder little girls" to "some members of our military can also murder little girls," not that that makes it an less reprehensible.

Yesterday another member spoke of defending our children. Today I will do so with my claws out. My son has served in the Armed Forces for almost 10 years. Not only has he never murdered a child, but in four tours to the middle east he has fed them out of his own food supplies and clothed them with the clothes off his back. He has never "tucked his conscience away in mothballs" and will live forever with the horrors he saw going on over there. How dare you suggest otherwise. And the change from "many" to "some" does not give you an out to say you were not speaking of my son, because when you speak of one, you speak of all. The people you denigrate are some of the most selfless, patriotric people I have ever had the honor to know. To pair them with the Taliban by using the same mind set in the same sentence is DISGUSTING.

Take it down a bit, SK1. I'm relaying well established theory in an - early very famous form. Psychologists

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and social scientists are still developing, expanding, refining, but the general validity of the initial studies has been confirmed many times over.

As for the notion that Americans are some special elevated species, above all the rest of humanity, that what "they" do over there could never be done by "us"--we are a nation of immigrants, for goodness sake.

I will not..... - SK1

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You would do well to remember that when you use "many members of our military murdering little girls" to illustrate your psychological theory, you're not speaking of "theoretical people." You're speaking of people's children, spouses, siblings and parents -- real people, not statistical numbers -- the vast majority whom have served this country honorably and selflessly. To represent "many" of them as child killers is inexcusable, having NOTHING to do with a theory that anyone is capable of heinous crimes.

This is a specious argument, SK1 - and you know it. (sm)

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You're taking that poster's very valid point about a subset of humanity way too personally. Extremists, reactionaries and psychopaths exist everywhere, not just in the more shadowy corners of the world. It follows that they will find themselves in the church (which nurtures these tendencies in them), the classroom, the police force and, yes, the military.

I'm sure you're not denying that members of our military have acted shamefully in the past. Human nature being what it is, it will happen again.

American soldiers have done bad things - wheres_my_job

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That is a fact. This is true of any military. They are trained to kill. This is also a fact, true of soldiers in any military. I think if we can't see our own capacity for doing terrible things, we are lost - i.e., our consciences are "mothballed." Simply by not acknowledging our own capacity for doing terrible, terrible things.

And, politically speaking, zealots are very passionately commited - and WILL go vote their beliefs.NM

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EVERYONE votes their beliefs - right?

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No. If they did, we wouldn't be in this mess. But - a lot of people stay home and yield the game.nm

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Sorry, but I don't believe any religious law should keep women in the dark ages. - backwards typist

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Which is what this religion does for women. Women should be able to attend school if they want, get a job if they want, and not sit back and let their husbands, if they have one, treat them like chattel to be used and abused. Men who follow this religious/law don't have the right to kill someone that doesn't agree with them.

The women should also have the right to marry any man they want, not have their parents or father shop for their husband and choose the one that parent decides on.

I do not believe in honor killings, either. It's sick, and I definitely hope those that do it in this country spend the rest of their lives in jail when arrested.

If you don't agree with me, fine. That's your opinion. I just gave mine.

What a coincidence--neither do many in Malala's community, - as proven by their outrage. This

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is a girl who was politically active in that community for, what, 3 or so years? She had such support and success that she decided to go into politics and maybe even become president someday. She is still sedated in the ICU but "improving."

A beautiful child, so young, with a big vision...sm - VTMT

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for herself and the women of her country. Her parents must be exceptional people. I am happy to see the people of her country standing up for her. She is wise way beyond her years.

Christianity has done/is still doing the same things - wheres_my_job

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There are women in the US, in "Christian" communities, who are abused and treated like chattel. Need I mention murderer of George Tiller here in the US? Who elected him judge and jury on George Tiller?

LOL...should've read your post before I posted...sm - JTBB

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At least I know I'm not the only one who sees the hipocrisy :)

:) For some it's not simply hypocrisy, tho. Some become zealots who see - only one "truth"--theirs.nm

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Oh the outrage!....sm - JTBB

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You act like this is the only religion that has ever done anything bad to women. How about christianity? How about public stonings of "whores," salem witch hunts, the rule of thumb? There's a very thin line between religion and society, and it has taken this country YEARS to get beyond a lot of that. Christianity used to rule with fear.

That's what the Taliban is trying to do now. Beyond what they did to this girl (which is just grotesque all by itself), what they successfully did was instill fear, and I really don't think it has much of anything to do with religion, but rather power, which is in my opion is what all religions are about.

What they did wasn't in the mainstream of their religion, as evidenced by the reaction to these acts, so to simply say that it's their religion's fault is to paint everyone who believes in that relgion as an extremist. We have folks here who kill docs who do abortions. Does that mean that every christian is like that? I wonder if you feel that the guy who killed the abortion doc should also spend the rest of his life in jail? Or is that different cuz he was doing god's work?

Kind of like leftists' religion from a puritanical - progressive point of view

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who believe SCIENCE is their god. Its all about POWER, CONTROL, MANIPULATION and MONEY.

As far as Tiller's murderer, he was not a Christian.

Science is only scary...sm - JTBB

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when knowledge trumps mythical beliefs.

I hear Darwin's Cafe is having a special on - Primordial Soup

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Your "science" keeps getting debunked.

My Good Book keeps shining!!

Debunked? How exactly? - anon

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Would you mind backing that up with some facts? From real scientists, mind you, not fundamentalist hacks.

This IS the politics forum. Remember, religion as it affects - political events and thoughts only.

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Yes, this is the politics forum - anon2

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And we have sitting members of Congress who use religion to make policy,so I think it's worthy of discussion on this board.

the poster was responding to science being debunked - --- not religion

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watch out, JTBB, that would make science - scary all the time...

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that's what science does. It replaces beliefs with data. Somehow, dangerously, this fact has been construed by the right to connote blasphemy and faithlessness - the natural purview of the left.

Their biggest victory is to equate the right - with their thought. They're a minority.NM

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holy wow - sm

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people who embrace science do not regard science as god, for crying out loud. Are you saying you believe science is about power and control?

"As far as Tiller's murder, he was not a Christian"??? - anon

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What exactly are you trying to say? Is it okay to murder non-Christians? Unreal.

What a shame. :-( - Have you forgotten...

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....the caution to "judge not lest ye be judged"? Dr. George Tiller was a practicing Christian who was, in fact, at his place of worship--a Christian church--at the time of his murder. If his Christianity did not match yours, point for point, what makes you think you have the right to judge that your version is the only correct one?

Here's a handbook for you to read - SM

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It's from one of your own

http://www.handbookforinfidels.com/

Here are exerts from YOUR handbook..sm - JTBB

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In the Bible's book of Deuteronomy it says that if a man marries a woman and then decides that he hates her, he can claim she wasn't a virgin when they married. At that point her father must prove she was a virgin. (How is not explained.) If he can't, then the girl is to be stoned to death at her father's doorstep.

If you see a pretty woman among your captives and would like her for a wife, then bring her home and "go in unto her." Later, if you decide you don't like her, you can simply "let her go." (Deuteronomy)

If a betrothed virgin is raped in the city and doesn't cry out loud enough, then "the men of the city shall stone her to death." (Deuteronomy)

In the book of Esther the king apparently decrees a sex contest among young virgin women to see who can best please him. (There is debate on how.) He eventually chooses Esther. However, since women are viewed as inherently dirty, Esther must be "purified" for twelve months before she can be made queen. (Esther)

Paul points out in New Testament Romans that "the natural use" of women is to provide men with sex. (Romans)

Heaven is to be inhabited by 144,000 virgin men who have not been "defiled" by women. (RE 14:1-4) [One wonders how this squares with God's command to, "Be fruitful and multiply...(Genesis )]

A group of sexual depraved men beat on the door of an old man's house demanding that he turn over to them a male house guest. Instead, the old man offers his virgin daughter and his guest's wife: "Behold, here are my virgin daughter and his concubine (wife); let me bring them out now. Ravish them and do with them what seems good to you; but against this man do not do so vile a thing." The women were subsequently ravished and killed. (JG))

In Exod. we see that it is permissible to sell one's daughter (but apparently not one's son) into slavery..

According to St. Jerome, "Nothing is so unclean as a woman in her periods; what she touches she causes to be unclean." In Leviticus it states, "If a woman conceives and bears a male child, she shall be ceremonially unclean seven days...if she bears a female child she shall be unclean two weeks...."

"A woman dropped a stone on his head and cracked his skull. Hurriedly he called to his armor-bearer, 'Draw your sword and kill me, so that they can't say a woman killed me.' So his servant ran him through, and he died." (Judges)

Under God's direction, Moses' army kills all the adult males, but they mercifully just take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some women and children alive, he angrily says: "Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him." Throughout Bible history God is said to demand that thousands, if not millions, of men, women and children be slaughtered. And they are.

A man has an obligation to produce a child with his brother's widow. If he refuses, his sister-in-law is to spit in his face in front of the elders. (Deuteronomy 25:5-9) And in case you are Jewish, you may be familiar with the Jewish prayer: "Blessed be the God who has not created me a heathen, a slave or a woman."

This is just a very small sampling.

When in doubt, refer to Old Testament, very pathetic and - weak leftist argument

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Proving time and time again, leftists' stone age mentality.

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The point is that christianity has it's...sm - JTBB

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moments of insanity just like any other religion. The comment I responded to made the argument:

".... is what this religion does for women. Women should be able to attend school if they want, get a job if they want, and not sit back and let their husbands, if they have one, treat them like chattel to be used and abused. Men who follow this religious/law don't have the right to kill someone that doesn't agree with them.

The women should also have the right to marry any man they want, not have their parents or father shop for their husband and choose the one that parent decides on.

I do not believe in honor killings, either. It's sick, and I definitely hope those that do it in this country spend the rest of their lives in jail when arrested."

All this in an attempt to de-legitimize Islam. And yet, when I point out that the most popular religion in the US has taught exactly that for years, your excuse is to say that's in the old testament and doesn't matter? Seriously, are you saying that the old testament has no bearing whatsoever on christianity today? Or do you just prefer to throw out the parts you don't like?

The point is leftists will defend Islam and abhor Christianity - no matter what the cost to lives

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Are Christians burning down the churches, mosques, and houses of those who do not follow Christ?

Are Christians beheading, mutilating, bombing and killing those who do not follow Christ?

Are Christians stoning, raping, and slaughtering innocent women and children who do not follow Christ?

Are Christians rioting in the streets when anti-Christian films are made or Crucifixes/holy symbols desecrated?

Are Christians killing their own family members who do not follow Christ?

Do Christian men treat their women like second-class citizens?

Last time I checked, this is the 21st Century, maybe you can educate yourself and your Taliban buddies to this.

foolish and inflammatory - sm

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Leftists do not defend Islam or abhor Christianity. Do you realize you are engaging in the very same extremist rhetoric you would like to see blown off the face of the earth? How can you impugn a fellow American by referring to their "Taliban buddies"?! That's completely over-the-top hate speech directed at your brothers and sisters right here at home. Good luck with that.

What is germaine is our political system is being used to - return us to earlier ways and women

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to what are portrayed as "traditional" roles. The rise of the religious right isn't just a curiosity to chat about at parties. Over the past few decades, our local, state and federal governments, and our military, have been increasingly packed and infiltrated with those who feel THEIR religion, often very fundamentalist, should become the culture and law of our country.

BTW, fundamentalism in its basic sense means that what's in a fundamentalist's holy book is the truth. Anything that contradicts it simply cannot be true.

Years of working within the system to take it over is how we can have a Congressman on the House of Representatives' Science, Space and Technology Committee who believes firmly that the earth is 9000 years old. He's only one of the fundamentalist ringers who have been placed on this one committee alone to subvert national science policy.

Note that the Christian right, although many enjoy believing that Romney is not a Christian, is promoting his candidacy because of his religious conservatism. Also--of course--because of his very pro-business orientation. As we're been seeing for years, there's a bizarrely strong correlation between the two--Bizarre only if you forget how easily many people can be controlled through their religions. This makes religion an extremely powerful tool that can be used for very different agendas.

Those who support this could only get this far because of all the people who don't bother to vote. THEY always do.

Well said! (nm) - anon

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Exactly!...nm - JTBB

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Small sampling--that's the problem. - anon

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According to you, when abortion was an issue a while back, this board was not the place to discuss it. Now, suddenly it is the place to attempt to argue the Bible. I think these issues belong on the faith board, but since you brought it up. The Bible is a large book composed of many smaller books by different writers over time. It is a book of faith. Anyone can pull out certain texts and support most anything. It is meant to be studied and interpreted as the whole, and in doing so makes undeniable sense that has a common thread, which is pretty much missed by anyone who attempts to gain any understanding from it by looking at bits and pieces. I can see why there are only a handful of posters on this board. You seem to have really no desire to discuss or listen. You and the parroting NM jump into and onto every statement made with a buzzsaw. You seem to really have no desire to learn, compare, reason, educate, or hope to influence anyone with a differing opinion. Your only intent seems to be to anger, alienate, and destroy any opinion of poster that does not agree with your own, sort of like you think, as long as I'm talking, I'm right. Good bless you and help you and each of us to make the right decision for our and our children's future in the upcoming election.

Addition to my above post. - anon

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When I ended with God bless you, it immediately came to my mind a bright and friendly young college student who works at the local Pizza Hut. He always says "May Allah bless you and have a good day." To which I respond with a smile, and may God bless you. We can get along in this world without seeing eye to eye on everything.

Most can agree in spite of differences. Some cannot, - and never will. NM

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But they still "stone" females in other countries. - backwards typist

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You are talking about the 1600-1700s. Unless you live in a time warp, the things you mention haven't happened for hundreds of years here.

I'm talking about this girl and other women, who are subjected to the horrors that have ALWAYS existed in their society. We changed, they haven't and you seem to just brush it off with excuses about OUR country. Sorry, but that's not an excuse.

True, but Backwards, most people in those countries - hate it and have never picked up a stone. That

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for mean people who like to throw rocks.

Remember, some of those countries once had much more modern cultures that were taken over by religious/political extremists in a backlash against rapid change, just as their counterparts here are trying to do. Extremists are called that because their views and their actions are extreme, and they have a LOT of oppression to do to keep whole populations in line.

And what you don't realize about this...sm - JTBB

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is that they are going through the same natural progression (evolution) that we did. They have not progressed at the same rate we and other countries have, but you really can't criticize them, regardless of how much later it is, for going through the same things we did. I think that's the part that the GOP misses when they try nation building. You can bring down leaders and put in new ones, you can destroy their defenses, you can change their economy, you can give humanitarian aid, and alot more....BUT, you can never change culture. They have to change that all by themselves. That's why nation building doesn't work. You can't just snap your fingers and expect them to be just like you. They have to go through their own social changes in their own ways to adapt.

This isn't an excuse for the killing of this girl. In fact, it's just as horrid as the stonings performed here in the 1600s. It's a result of those fighting change, just like people still do here in various ways.

But to try to demonize the whole Islam religion and thereby all those who believe in Islam is to pit one religion against another, when the two just happen to be at different levels of progression, and yet started with the same basic concepts.

Now if we can just get YOU to practice what you preach - No Message

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NM

BTW, I was not blaming the religion in itself unless - backwards typist

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Sharia/Muslim laws are totally religion-based, then yes, I blame the religion even though a lot of Muslim's are a peaceful/peace-loving people. It takes more than 1 person to end oppression and those against oppression need to speak up even if they are peace-loving or else they will always be in the dark ages.

If the laws are made by the extremists, following their religious teachings literally to the extreme, then I am blaming the law.

Understand what I'm saying?

The Old Testament in the Bible gives rules on what punishments should be done if those "laws" are broken, but do we follow those laws? No, we mainly follow the New Testament, or do we? I haven't read the Bible in a few months and usually never read the Old Testament.

in answer to your question... - sm

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no, I don't understand what you're saying. It sounds like you are trying to justify placing blame on the religion rather than the prepetrators, and I cannot agree with that kind of assessment as it is incompatible with tolerance and enlightenment.

this shooting is the act of extremists -- - not religious men

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Muslims condemn these acts. Muslims are praying for this young woman. I bet some nice Christians are praying for her too. And Mormons. And Jews. And 7th Day Adventists. It just strikes me as purposefully disrespectful to characterize this cowardly, violent act as an act perpetrated by any of our world's religions.

Wish you were right. Let's blame it on people - who betray their religions because,

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under the leadership of evil men, they believe they are serving their god and acting according this his wishes. The men who shot that little girl allowed their leaders to decide what was right and what was wrong. They were following orders righteously.

I am right. - sm

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You have no idea what those evil men believe or what their motivations were. I really don't understand what you are saying.

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I have a 10yo daughter and her best friend is a little snotty girl that I'm not all that fond of, but they've known each other since kindergarten and the friendship has stuck. Basically, this little girl is one of those kids that I refer to as "Eddie Haskell." She sucks up to me, hugging me, and stuff, but then away from the adults, she can be really snotty. She is the youngest and only girl in her family and she is used to things going her way and so when my dau ...

Aug 02, 2014
Okay, so like so many others, VR is going to destroy my financial future. Thankfully, I can take early retirement soon, though that wouldn't have been my first choice. But...here's what I wonder. Just like the Golden Girls (Rue McLanahan, Bea Arthur, Betty White) pooled their resources, why can't some of US do that? I mean, it would be a sacrifice for sure (I enjoy living alone)...but wouldn't it be wise? I have a lovely home but live in a rural ...

Feb 22, 2012
that's why. ...

Jun 04, 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xxpd3Ye0zA ...

Oct 20, 2013
I was reading the post on the Gab Board about the person asking how to get trust back in her partner. I was amazed to see that a person on here was guessing about "the one with the 2 girls for summer." Were you not ever told not to assume things? This is the person with the 2 girls for the summer, so you put it. The person writing about the trust issue is not me. I have no trust issues with anyone, certainly not my husband. I have no idea why coming on this board and asking the most simple o ...

May 14, 2010
What was your take on it? ...

May 11, 2014
I wish he would just slither back wherever he came from and let us have a real president again. Sigh.... ...

Apr 28, 2015
http://news.yahoo.com/nigeria-claims-rescue-nearly-300-women-girls-boko-194844980.html;_ylt=AwrTcctM7z9V7JsAu7cnnIlQ ...

Mar 20, 2017
I think the Clintons believe in the old adage “Charity begins at home”. ...

Dec 14, 2012
Just got word from my sister that her husband's 2 nephews were in that school. They were not injured/killed. They witnessed the shootings, however. Some children in their neighborhood will not be coming home ever again. How tragic. Keep them in your prayers. ...

Oct 29, 2014
Hypocrites, liars, moochers. We get the best, you get crap. I wish these people would just go back to Kenya. Link ...

Mar 25, 2011
The last line pretty much sums it up: \"Wells Fargo officials said the mortgage unit is downsizing because of a drop-off in loan applications.\" Do you think all the people who wanted mortgages might have had their jobs outsourced to India? Wells Fargo shifts O.C. work to India March 25th, 2011, 7:03 am · Wells Fargo Wholesale Lending Operations, which announced earlier this week that it was cutting 59 jobs in Orange County, is shifting some of the work to India, a Wells ...