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PA voter ID law has been blocked for Nov election

Posted: Oct 2, 2012

It will go into effect next year, provided court-mandated criteria are met.

PA Governor Tom Corbett: "Voter ID -- which is going to allow Gov. [Mitt] Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania -- done."

Not so fast, gov. UNdone.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gofwU6p1wVa1q_XloJpJkhL2jy8Q?docId=7eb8b0ee54b0499c9caa9776c1eba958

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Just the fact that you can cheer about this (sm) - Aunt Sue

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tells me a lot about your thought processes. Yes, it's too much to ask for the poor downtrodden in this great country to identify themselves when they vote for their leaders. How insane an idea is that. Really.

I cheer the democratic process also. The specific purpose was to corrupt - the outcome in favor of the GOP. Yay! NM

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That's BS. How about the other states that want it? (sm) - Aunt Sue

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Is that Kool-aid tasting any better this second time around?

All laws to corrupt the vote were enacted by Republican - administrations. Such a coincidence. NM

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So tell me (this oughta be good ) sm - Aunt Sue

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What do the Democrats have against showing a valid ID before they vote? And don't give me the poor people can't get one crap. Cause that's what it is - crap. It's what they tell you, and obviously you're buying it, but let's hear the REAL reasons.

I'll tell you I understand your disappointed, sick feeling, but - but this was just plain WRONG. No decent

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responsible American would support vote tampering, which is exactly what this was, and a betrayal not only of all Americans, of our democratic system, but also specifically of loyal conservatives who would have been disenfranchised by those they trust and support.

Got any proof of that? - Please provide.

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nm

Silence here, pins dropping (aka no proof - LOL) - Texan

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Let's try this again. Disenfranchising citizens is - VERY WRONG, and everyone knows it. You too. NM

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One more time. - As you see it. Doesn't make it fact.

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It's not just a question of the ID itself. It's the - specific documentation requirements

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that are so OBVIOUSLY designed to exclude groups that unmask the specter of deliberate cheating that is so outrageous. One case in point would be photo student IDs being "disqualified" if they don't have an expiration date on them, considering many colleges do not put that info on the ID. Another would be no alternative to birth certificates for proving status, or specifications about what does and does not count as a legitimate BC. As you well know, BC laws are not uniform across the states, and information required by one state may not be required by another. In fact, there were more than 14,000 different versions of BC in the US as of 2000, i.e., short forms, long forms, certificates of live birth, BC abstracts, etc.

Birthers have overplayed their hand to such an extent that they have brought this issue out into the light. The zeal to discredit the POTUS has ended up working against them when it comes to trying to claim innocence in the voter suppression laws, where they try requiring forms of the certificate in select places that are simply not available. Also, there are many older Americans whose births were NEVER registered due to lack of that legal requirement at the time and in the place where they were born.

BTW, "poor people can't get one" is not crap. For those stuck out in rural areas hundreds of miles from the nearest DMV location (many of which have been closed down due to state GOP budget cuts), the obstacle of affording transportation and travel expenses is prohibitive.

Those are all REAL reasons not to enact these ridiculously transparent efforts to throw elections when a party cannot get themselves elected to office the legitimate way that has worked well for us now for decades and decades. Yours is the argument from the losing side on this issue, Aunt Sue.

Let me add to that - sm

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I've had to replace my SS card a few times since I'm prone to lose things and have had my purse stolen. The process was insane - you'd have thought I was requesting they move the Earth to a different part of the universe. I had to provide several different forms of documentation, pay a large fee and wait for weeks. It required several trips to the relevant office. It was ridiculous, and in my situation, nobody was even actively trying to prevent me getting my ID!

My point is, even the everyday process of replacing ID is onerous. I can imagine what flaming, rotating hoops these poor folks would be made to jump through.

Oh, it is good and you won't believe it! - vf

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The Democrats have nothing against showing a valid ID to vote. Valid IDs have always been shown and in-person voter fraud is minimal to non-existent. What we do have a problem with is narrowing the scope of what is considered a "valid ID". The current voter ID requirements work just fine. What the pubs should have spent the last 4 years working on is a jobs bill instead of working to make President Obama a one-term president with their voter ID laws. We don't need new voter ID laws; we need jobs. And we definitely don't need laws that reduce women to second class citizens; we need fair tax laws that will help reduce the deficit.

That's one of the stupidest posts I've ever read on here (sm) - Aunt Sue

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The House has a jobs bill - several actually and your stupid Senate leader won't even bring it up for a vote. Obama is against small business, hence no jobs. Everyone is afraid. Obamacare and all that idiocy. Women as second class citizens. You're just regurgitating all the moronic liberal talking points that mean absolutely nothing. Good God, lady. Pull your head out and look around you. Jeez.

Sue's just having a bad day. Attempts to steal various - offices are failing across the country. Smile, Sue

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tomorrow's another day.

But it probably won't be as good as today. (sm) - Aunt Sue

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Sometimes lately I have to laugh at the Liberal Looney Toons who post here - it's the only way to stay sane. Well, almost.

Oh boy, there you go again - vf

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House bills tend to have written in them tax breaks for the wealthy, which is why the wonderful Harry Reed won't bring them up for a vote in the Senate. Rich folks don't need another tax break, and pubs need to stop behaving like spoiled brats just because they can't get their way on everything. Obama is not against small business; that's just a moronic conservative talking point. Here's a fact for you: over 4 million jobs have been created in the last 2 years; that's growth no matter how small, which means Obama’s policies are working despite Republican obstruction. Women having their rights infringed upon would make them second class citizens. BTW, what woman in her right mind would go for unnecessary forced ultrasounds and unequal pay? Answer: No woman in her right mind would go for that! And finally, “ObamaCare” is no more frightening than RomneyCare; what’s so horrible about a mandate that makes everyone responsible? Isn’t personal responsibility a Republican idea and ideal? Oh, and if "Everyone is afraid" it is because instilling fear is a tried and true Republican tactic which you and others like you fall for time and time again. Good grief, Aunt Sue, take your own advice!

And the fact that you feel it is justified - vf

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says a lot, too. Voters have always identified themselves with some form of ID, so having to show ID is not the problem. The problem is the changing of the rules to require a particular photo ID in an effort to make it difficult or impossible for a segment of the population to vote. It amounts to a poll tax, and the 24th Amendment outlawed that unjust practice in 1964.

No it doesn't, but my thought processes - are not the issue, Aunt Sue.

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That you would try personalize this does say a lot about yours, though, especially the insanity diagnosis. Your sarc over the "poor downtrodden" reflects the same cluelessness R expressed with his 47% blunder.

Here's my thing. I would much rather take my chances with well documented SPARESELY scattered RARE instances of national voter fraud any day of the week than to stand by and watch the wingers try to ALEC their way to the White House. To claim that "other states want it" is bogus. Boilerplate winger think tank laws are NOT what voters supported in state congressional elections, no more than they are going to support any future attempts to monkey with the Voter Rights Act in the next SCOTUS session.

ALEC initiatives have clearly demonstrated that we are not "there" yet when it comes to selective race- and minority-based vote suppression and gerrymandering. Southern states with these historical records are some of the very same ones that are trying to float this crap in realtime. In Texas, we still BARELY have an acceptable district map going into November and thankfully, voter ID laws have been back-burnered. Easing federal oversight in these suppression-prone states gets a no-go pass, and they are not entitled to collect their spoils. Not just yet.

The vote is the greatest equalizer we have enshrined in our Constitution. I have no problem with enhanced crackdown on the miniscule documented voter fraud that may be an issue, but I most definitely have big problems with throwing the baby out with the bathwater....and this has NOTHING TO DO with Kool-Aid.

Actually, Aunt Sue's are. To get away with blatant plots to steal - elections requires support of people like that.

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EVERYONE knows what these specially timed and targeted laws were meant to accomplish. Including her.

Same request for you. Proof please? - Aunt Sue

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Where is your proof to support the need for the - vf

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unnecessary and unjust law? You're asking for everyone else to prove their position, so where's yours, Aunt Sue? BTW, are you a distant cousin of Uncle Tom?

What does Uncle Tom have to do with this? - just wondering

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An Uncle Tom is - vf

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any person perceived to be a participant in the oppression of their own group. I assume that Aunt Sue is a voter. If she is, then for her to argue in favor of voter suppression would make her a participant in the oppression of her own group.

what a racist thing for you to say - nmm

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What's with the personal attack against a poster?

Not racist in my eyes - vf

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I'm using the broader definition of the term, explained in my first response to the outrage.

Usually one denounces the flaws of others that they (sm) - Aunt Sue

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don't like to admit are inherent in themselves. Therefore, I will assume that you are what you are calling me. This too might be beyond your realm of understanding. If so, ask someone to explain.

I never called you anything - vf

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I asked you, in jest, if you were related to Uncle Tom because of your tendency to argue in favor of policies that are not in your best interest. True, the epithet, "Uncle Tom" is most often used in reference to a Black person kowtowing to White folks. However, based on your posts, it’s hard to believe that you're a Black person or a person of any color, so my reference to Uncle Tom could not be racially motivated and would never be used to call a White person a racist. That would make no sense.

Doesn't surprise me a bit. - nm

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You're very rude. You must be a liberal. - Aunt Sue

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But can/will you answer the question? - nm

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If you're talking to me, I asked you for proof of (sm) - Aunt Sue

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your silly claims. Obviously you have none.

You didn't ask me for anything. - I'm not the OP.

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Assume much?

She asked me, but facts and principle always failing, all I have - to offer is sympathy in her misery. NM

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Leader of the Loons. - Aunt Sue

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You're very narrow minded; you are definitely a conservative. - vf

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:-)~

It's common sense - I realize that probably (sm) - Aunt Sue

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makes it out of your realm - but we need to show ID for just about everything we do in this world. Why would voting for our leaders be any less important than those? Wouldn't we want to make sure that the people who are voting are citizens? Like I said, common sense. Maybe you could get someone to explain it to you.

These are people who have been voting all their lives - sm

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with nary a problem until this particular election cycle. You don't see any kind of problem with this?

Having ID isn't the issue. We've had to have ID here to vote ever since I can remember. Changing the rules to the game midstream and trying to disqualify those who have been above suspicion for years is the issue. Saying that it's about citizenship is disingenuous at best.

Only in your eyes, dear. The laws have been too lax. - Time to fix them. Aunt Sue

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Timing is everything. And in this case, it's suspicious. - Sorry to mess with your worldview (nm)

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You didn't. I recognize Liberals for what they are. - I have 1 relative like that.

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Again - vf

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It is not the ID requirement that is the problem; it is the sudden and unnecessary requirement of a specific photo ID that is the problem. It places an undue burden on too many people at once to be able to obtain the required ID in so short a time frame. It's an unnecessary law to begin with but at the very least voters must be allowed the time it takes to jump through all the hoops since they may not have the money or the transportion needed to get their ID in time for this election.

No need to jump through hoops to get an ID - Just another Dem myth

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"Under the law, voters need to present one of the following at their precinct:

* A Pennsylvania driver's license

* A state ID issued by the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation (PennDOT)

* A U.S. passport

* An active duty or retired U.S. military ID

* A military dependent's ID

* A state employee ID issued by the federal, state, county or municipal government

* A school ID issued by an accredited Pennsylvania university, college, seminary, community college or two-year college to students, faculty, employees and alumni.

* An ID issued by a Pennsylvania care facility

To get a photo ID, residents must have a valid Social Security card; an official birth certificate or U.S. citizenship documents; and two proofs of residency, such as a utility bill or tax records. (The state has more details for residents on its website)."

No money or transportation, really? PA is pretty much up with the 21st century.

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