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Multistate survey on race in politics - focus on tea party
Posted: May 9, 2010
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Thank you - interesting indeed
[ In Reply To ..]Intolerance is quite a motivator.
Yes?... and YOU are intolerant of? hmmm. lets guess - The Tea Party? uh huh.nm
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Is there something wrong with being intolerant of - intolerance?
[ In Reply To ..]Do tell.
You should know.. since you are intolerant.nm - YouDontGetIt
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Yes I do - see message
[ In Reply To ..]The tea party is intolerant and I am intolerant of intolerance. It's quite simple.
You dont know what you are talking about. - How many TEA parties have you attended?
[ In Reply To ..]NONE! You are the intolerant one..totally intolerant of having an open mind!
Yes, I said I am intolerant of intolerance, I am not denying - this
[ In Reply To ..]I have not attended any tea parties. You don't have to attend a party in case you are unaware of this. I know many many tea party supporters personally and the tone on this board presented by the obvious supporters reflects the findings in the study also.
Great post. I agree completely. (nm) - Nikki
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If intolerance is unacceptable... - KDB
[ In Reply To ..]in all forms to libs, then it is unacceptable for you to be intolerant of anyone's intolerance to anything. Equal rights are just that...equal.
I happen to think that intolerance of racism and bigotry is - okay
[ In Reply To ..]so sue me.
I partially agree... - KDB
[ In Reply To ..]I also think intolerance to racism is acceptable because you can't change your race and those who are intolerant of other races are simply beating a dead horse which essentially indicates ignorance.
On the other hand, being intolerant if bigotry is a little different. Bigotry is one of those words people like to throw around to try to intimidate others to feel guilty. Bigotry is a subjective term. A difference of opinion does not constitute bigotry whereas the liberals would have us all believe it does. ;)
You should look up bigotry. It has a clear - definition
[ In Reply To ..]and you must know that we are talking about race.
I know the term "bigotry" has a clear definition... - KDB
[ In Reply To ..]Tell it to the liberals of which I am not one. Bigotry is hostility towards those of differing opinions, races, etc. Bigotry is a gray area because a difference of opinion does not constitute bigotry; however, those who are intolerant of your opinion can also be bigots. For instance, a liberal can be bigotted against a Christian because of the Christian's beliefs which may differ from the liberals. That doesn't necessarily mean that a Christian is bigotted because of certain beliefs. You can be bigotted against a behavior while not being bigotted against the person who commits that behavior. Liberals like to muddy the water, another bad behavior. ;)
As long as you understand I was talking about race - You can
[ In Reply To ..]play around with the word all you like. By the way, did you know your little winking smiley you always use is a method that gay people use to identify each other?
Who's playing ? Those are the facts... - KDB
[ In Reply To ..]That little winking smile also signifies "think hard, you just might get it some day." ;)
Just trying to enlighten - you
[ In Reply To ..]though the effort appears to be futile. Many things have more than one meaning, for instance, the word bigotry, and a winking smiley. It all depends on the person reading what you've written or looking at your keyboard symbol as to how it is interpreted. I've told you what I mean by bigotry.......... hmmmmmm.
Many words have more than one meaning... - KDB
[ In Reply To ..]and it's important we keep the meanings separate. What you mean by bigotry and what that word actually means are different and my ;) still means the same thing...you need to be enlightened.
I thought you knew what it meant...okay, here's - the definition.
[ In Reply To ..]A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. The correct use of the term requires the elements of obstinacy, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing opinion.
The term is also used to refer to persons hostile to people of differing race, ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation, religion etc.
so then... - how does one object to intolerance?
[ In Reply To ..]If someone objects to intolerance, they are intolerant? A bit of a catch-22 isn't it?
It's the same thing as accusing someone of playing the race card for commenting on racism.
A more congent argument on your part would be a valuable indicator of your credibility.
Yes, it's a catch 22... - KDB
[ In Reply To ..]so why do libs continue to accuse others of intolerance? It's petty and ignorant. We are ALL intolerant to something in our lives. Not one of us can tolerate everything we come in contact with but libs like to make accusations as if they were tolerant of everything and we ALL know good and well that's not true. So, they should put the "intolerance" issue to bed. Lights out for the libs. ;)
you just proved my point - remarkable
[ In Reply To ..]No one is "accusing" anyone of intolerance. We are discussing data, which tends to speak for itself.
First you're angry that a survey shows a large portion of tea party members to be intolerant of other races. Now you're arguing that "everyone is intolerant of something".
So which is it? Are you objecting to the characterization of intolerant, are are you defending your right to be intolerant?
You have the personal freedom to remain intolerant of whomever you wish, but bigotry and bias have no place in policy making.
First... I'm not angry... - KDB
[ In Reply To ..]You're confusing me with someone else. I don't believe that wanting illegals to obey our American laws has anything to do with being intolerant of other races. Surveys tend to be skewed, flawed and biased to reflect whatever the surveyor wants to prove and only a small portion of a certain group is surveyed.
I am defending my right to be intolerant, not hostile by any means, AND I am objecting to the use of the definition of intolerance which is far different than the definition of bigotry. You seem to have the two confused. Remarkable!!
If you look up the words "bigotry" and "intolerance" you will - find
[ In Reply To ..]they are synonyms. Perhaps this has been the problem all along. You just didn't know the definition.
I have never confused the two words - sm
[ In Reply To ..]History teaches us a lot of about those words and RACISM. The following is a great History Lesson:
Democrats fought against anti-lynching laws.
Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, is well known for having been a âKleagleâ in the Ku Klux Klan.
Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage.
Democrats passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Republicans.
Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a âyellow dogâ than vote for a Republican, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.
Democrat President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913.
Democrat President Franklin D. Rooseveltâs first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Democrat of Alabama.
Democrat President Franklin D. Rooseveltâs choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922.
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Republican efforts to pass a federal law against lynching.
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces.
Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Democrats supported and backed Judge John Ferguson in the case of Plessy v Ferguson.
Democrats supported the School Board of Topeka Kansas in the case of Brown v The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas.
Democrat public safety commissioner Eugene âBullâ Connor, in Birmingham, Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.
Democrats were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protesters were fighting.
Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox âbrandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant.
Democrat Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever.
Democrat Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools.
Democrat Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act.
Democrat President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King.
Democrat President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI.
Democrat President Bill Clintonâs mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, an Arkansas Democrat and a supporter of racial segregation.
Democrat President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67.
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Courtâs 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964.
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
Southern Democrats opposed desegregation and integration.
Democrat Senator 1964 â Senator Al Gore Sr. votes against Civil Rights Act.
"Leftists wrote the book on RACISM, BIGOTRY AND INTOLERANCE."
What has this got to do with the survey and the tea - party?
[ In Reply To ..]It appears you are simply struggling to change the subject.
It is apparent that you did not know the definition of bigotry.
It shows the hypocrisy - and the attempts
[ In Reply To ..]....to discredit the TEA Party with accusations of racism, bigotry, intolerance, whatever the Leftists Word of the Month Club or Surveys like to throw out there.
Look no further than one's own DEMonic party to see the blatant lies/propaganda spewed on a daily basis.
All you racebaiters need to get a new gig, you're losing the debate.
Why don't you place your focus on what you can do to better the country instead of focusing on hate-speak all the time.
BTW, your bigotry is showing.
Again, tit for tat a child's game. Can't you do better? - This
[ In Reply To ..]survey has no bias. If you believe it does please break it down for us, otherwise, it is apparent you are just bigoted against it.
Aren't those Dems amazing? You should like them a lot.
You've never confused the two. Are you able to now? Do you know what a synonym - is?
[ In Reply To ..]Maybe we need to start from scratch.
here's the deal... - pay good attention
[ In Reply To ..]Cite as many democrats as you want. It will not change my opinion of intolerance. I don't care what side of the aisle someone is on. Intolerance is intolerance.
I cannot know who is lazy or who is biased based on their race or based on their political beliefs. Nor can you.
When I see data reflect that a majority of Tea Party adherents think that blacks would be better off if they worked harder, I certainly wonder how the Tea Party expects to be seen as a credible group with desirable values.
Any party, including the Tea Party, does well to rid itself of followers who promote intolerance.
We are all here to prosper and make a country together. Singling out people based on appearance, race, religion, language, sexual orientation, etc. is not the way to make it work.
bravo! - love it
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Then I suggest you ask - the data gatherer
[ In Reply To ..]and furthermore, take your own advice and stop singling out people based on their race, religion, sexual orientation, or different political views because they don't agree with you. Again, your bigotry and hypocrisy are showing.
The TEA Party is doing just fine. Focus on the direction of our country, and the economy, quit trying to find fault where there is none.
oh, make some sense - are you serious?
[ In Reply To ..]Kindly point out my transgression.
Cite a reference or give it up.
What you don't get is that the - sm
[ In Reply To ..]tea party is intolerant of our hard-earned money going to people who are too lazy to work. That includes white folks who abuse the system. It isn't about black intolerance. It is about govt spending getting out of control....it is about our govt wanting to give our money to take care of lazy people. If some of those folks would stay in school, get an education, and work harder....they probably won't need govt assistance to help them stay afloat...but why do that when you know govt will take care of your needs while you sit on your butt and claim you can't work.
I have no problem helping people who need help....but too many lazy crooks are abusing the system and have ruined a good idea to help those who need it. We are not helping some of these folks. We are enabling them to be lazy and worthless. Can't you see that.
It has nothing to do with race!!! I've got white trash in my family who abuse the system and they irritate the p!ss out of me. There are black people who abuse the system too. I'm tired of anyone who abuses the system!!!!
That is what you guys don't get. That is what you refuse to see. All you see is a group of people who are....for the most part white....and all you feed on is the fact that they are racist because they are white and don't want to pay for lazy people...and yes some of them are black...but some are white too. GET A CLUE! You all have missed the point miserably and I don't know where these stats come from....but as a white American who works and pays taxes....I'm tired of the money I earn going to free loaders...white...black...mexican....etc....I don't care what color you are or where you can from...if you are mooching off of the govt...I don't like you!
sorry, i should have said - snarky ; ) --sm
[ In Reply To ..]Thanks for clearing up your objections.
Here is mine: People on both sides of the aisle need language to address their concerns. Playing fast and loose with words and intent is not helpful.
You can't fall into a semantic wormhole that carries you back to 6th grade just because people say they dislike intolerance.
THAT is ridculous baloney, and an over-the-top - rationalization that does
[ In Reply To ..]does not even deserve a response. That is a totally ridiculous and unbelievably silly justification. Just keep it up. With every word, you prove just how far you will go to justify unjustifiable actions and attitudes. Lord, that is just crazy, stupid, and not rational or even a logical rationalization. Dumb even for you guys. Unbelievable. I am speechless that you would even try an angle like that. No go, even for you and your ilk.
Okie dokie - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Being intolerant of intolerance makes you exactly the same as the people who are intolerant, the only difference being that you think you are right and they think they are right.
Nuff said.
Wrong! Don't let semantics confuse you. - Try to
[ In Reply To ..]understand that there is a difference between being intolerant of racism and being a racist who, by definition, is intolerant of a race or races of people.
that certainly made my head hurt - ouch -- sm
[ In Reply To ..]I guess you're right.
Whoever says they are intolerant first wins, since no one can comment on intolerance lest they be deemed intolerant.
Enjoy the tea.
Yes there is something wrong here. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]This survey is total bull and very biased.
No one from the other side can have an opinion worth listening to if their motives are sufficiently sullied. The problem is whenever one tries to sully somone elseâs motives oneâs own become compromised in the effort.
In other words, calling someone a racist because they disagree with you only make YOU look petty and self-righteous. Donât believe me? Watch or listen to your favorite politician or talkshow host deride someone on the opposite side of the political aisle (the person, not the personâs opinion or position on an issue) and tell me they donât come across as a bit childish.
Anyone having lingering questions about why our supposedly bi-partisan government has ceased to function need look no further than the daily bile-and hate-filled comments here and throughout the internet against the TEA Party.
They are a microcosm of our national politics today.
Did you even read the survey and how it was - conducted?
[ In Reply To ..]questions only...a series of questions. Read what they were asked.
Your mind is set against anything that doesn't shed a favorable light on your beliefs; therefore, you lie about it. Anyone who reads how this survey was conducted and who was involved and says it is bogus is just lying to him/herself. Do you know anything at all about political science?
Explain how it is inaccurate/biased.
Right on! And the people who actually believe this - survey as fact believe Al Gore too.nm
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so typical - oh, do see message
[ In Reply To ..]There's a partisan discussion going on, so you skewer a democrat?
What point does this advance? What sense does it make?
You don't like Democrats, ergo you don't like Al Gore, ergo you don't believe in global warming?
Do you think for yourself at all?
I am not the person you - sm
[ In Reply To ..]responded to but my dislike for Al Gore stems from the fact that he has created this global warming scare and has make millions if not billions off of this when there is still plenty of scientific proof that global warming is a load of crap. It has nothing to do with him being a dem.
There is more scientific evidence that it isn't a load than there is that - it is.
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your dislike of the man notwithstanding... - typical gal
[ In Reply To ..]Al Gore has not "created" a global warming "scare". Perhaps I am older than you. We've been discussing the greenhouse effect long before Al Gore was a twinkle in Ronald Reagan's eye.
Sullied motives perfectly describes the tea party efforts - Thank you! :)
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TEA Party makes a lot more sense than The - Obama party, thats for sure.nm
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Amen! (nm) - Zville MT
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Maybe you should disassociate yourself. When so many are involved in a group - it is the general rule
[ In Reply To ..]that the majority sets the tone. If you don't like being associated with the values attributed to the majority of the tea party, maybe you should detach.
Actually, the TEA party I'm involved with in my town - Zville MT
[ In Reply To ..]is not only bipartisan (several democrats join in the meetings), but the majority of our group is not white - mostly Hispanic and African-American. So people can think what they want to about it, but our group is a positive force in our area and I'm proud to be a part of it. We represent how this country should be - everyone working together towards a common goal - the good of the country.
That's wonderful. I'm sure there are more groups not representative of the - tea party at large
[ In Reply To ..]It would be nice if you could form a different grass roots movement and call it something else.
That's actually not a bad idea ;) (nm) - Zville MT
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Why call it something else? TEA party members - like it fine, the haters dont.nm
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Agreed, the Tea Party is a - microcosm
[ In Reply To ..]but of what I won't say.
TEA party is a threat to the left. I know you hate that.nm - boohoohoo
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Not hardly. Hard to be threated by a group as - apparently screwed up as
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Care to elaborate? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Just wondering how YOU feel personally, why YOU feel the TEA Party is a screwed up group.
here's why your argument makes no sense - sm
[ In Reply To ..]In spite of your paranoia, no one's motives are being sullied. A survey does not attribute motive. It only counts responses.
This survey was not calling anyone a racist. It simply asked questions and reported the findings.
Your remark that "calling someone a racist because they disagree with you only makes YOU look petty and self-righteous" is laughable.
The survey respondents were Tea Partiers. They were calling themselves racist.
Your post makes no sense - see article
[ In Reply To ..]Charles 'Minstrel Show' Blow Calls Tea Partiers Racists Again
By Noel Sheppard (Bio | Archive)
Sat, 05/08/2010 - 20:31 ET
New York Times columnist Charles "Minstrel Show" Blow was at it again Saturday accusing Tea Partiers of being racists.
I guess for Blow, a day without calling some conservative a racist is like a day without sunshine.
Whatever the pathology, his "Trying to Outrun Race" made it crystal clear right from the get go what unfortunate readers were in store for:
Racist. Tea Party.
Not surprisingly, it was all downhill from there (h/t Hot Air headlines):
The Tea Party is a Frankenstein movement - an odd collection of factions, loosely stitched together, where the head, to the extent that it exists, fails to control the body.
It has attracted hordes of the disaffected with differing interests, including some who've openly expressed their dark racial prejudices and others who polls suggest harbor more subtle and less visible biases. Opposition to President Obama triggers a political Pavlovian response among some of these people, and they want to ally themselves with others around a common enemy.
Also by no means surprising, Blow cited poll numbers to support his position:
However, widely cited polling, like the multistate University of Washington survey released last month, has found that large swaths among those who show strong support for the Tea Party also hold the most extreme views on a range of racial issues. The fringe theory is a farce.
Ah yes, UW's WISER poll the media so adored last month.
As Cathy Young wrote on April 25, the data the press jumped for joy over conflicted with numbers that mysteriously went unpublished:
The lead investigator, political science professor Christopher Parker, graciously provided me with the fuller data -- which strongly contradict the notion of the Tea Parties as a unique hotbed of racism.
Thus, while only 35% of strong Tea Party supporters rated blacks as hardworking, only 49% described whites as such. While the gap is evident, these responses are close to those for all whites (blacks are rated as "hardworking" by 40%, whites by 52%). While whites who are strongly anti-Tea Party seem free of bias on this item -- blacks and whites are rated as "hardworking" by 55% and 56%, respectively - this is not true for intelligence and trustworthiness. Whites in every group are less likely to rate blacks than whites as "intelligent" by similar margins: 14 points for Tea Party supporters (45% vs. 59%), 13 points for all whites (49% vs. 62%), 10 points for Tea Party opponents (59% vs. 69%). On "trustworthy," the gap is smaller in the pro-Tea Party group (41% vs. 49%) than in the anti-Tea Party group (57% vs. 72%). One could write headlines about the "racial paranoia" of white liberals who consider blacks less trustworthy than whites!
Fascinating. I wonder what Blow would say about that. But I digress:
The endurance of racial stereotypes in this day and age is disturbing; but Tea Party supporters differ little in this regard from mainstream Americans. (It is also worth noting that, as in many other surveys, Asian-Americans in the UW poll are rated much more positively than whites.)
Compared to middle-of-the-road whites, Tea Party supporters show far more agreement with the statement that blacks should work their way up "without special favors" the way other minorities such as Italians and Jews did, or that blacks would be as well off as whites if they worked harder. The standard left-of-center view, shared by the UW researchers, is that such attitudes represent a subtler form of racism, or "racial resentment." In some cases, that is surely true. Yet these sentiments may also reflect a genuinely race-neutral belief in self-reliance and self-help -- or the view, shared by many black commentators, that the black community's problems are partly rooted in damaging behavioral and cultural patterns.
So, if you believe that blacks should work their way up "without special favors," or that they'd be just as well off as whites if they worked harder, according to the poll Blow cited, you're a racist.
Any wonder why this survey concluded Tea Partiers are racists?
But it goes deeper than this, for as NewsBusters reported two days later, the political science professor behind this poll has a history of finding racism where and whenever he wants:
Parker was involved in in 2008. Back then, Parker accused Republicans of "thinly veiled allusions to Obama's race" and insisted that "race was a consistent narrative used by Obama's opponents."
What did Parker and his colleagues cite as examples of this? Code words, of course:
We begin this article by proposing that although Obama ultimately won, we cannot reject that race-and in particular racism-played a significant role in the outcome. During the campaign, race was a consistent narrative used by Obama's opponents. His primary opponents, particularly Hillary Clinton, and Republicans in the general election used racial references to attack the Illinois senator, citing him for his perceived inability to connect to "real working Americans" ~Bazinet and McAuliff, 2008; Canellos 2008; MacGillis 2008. A Republican in Georgia used the term uppity to describe Obama, a clear racial reference ~Los Angeles Times 2008. Even the infamous "Joe the Plumber" charged Obama with seeking to redistribute wealth, raising age-old stereotypes of African Americans as radical, welfare dependent, and not as hardworking as the White working class. In short, he accused Obama of seeking to take money from hardworking "real Americans" to give it to "those people" ~Rohter 2008.
So you see, calling someone uppity is a "clear" racial slur. Saying that someone doesn't understand "real working Americans" is some kind of code for saying they don't understand white people. Oh, and calling attention to President Obama's own self-proclaimed plan of wealth distribution means you think black people are lazy.
With such a lax definition of racism, it's no wonder Parker sees it everywhere.
Indeed, and the same can be applied to Blow.
In the end, just as there are people who have racist views, there are also folks who see racism in all human behavior.
Consider that Blow a few weeks ago referred to the tax day Tea Party in Dallas as "a political minstrel show devised for the entertainment of those on the rim of obliviousness and for those engaged in the subterfuge of intolerance."
In reality, it is Blow that is clearly oblivious and intolerant.
Unfortunately for us, he has a column at the New York Times to express his undeserving hatred for all those he disagrees with, which would be far more acceptable if he'd try to stick to the facts AND leave race out of it.
Or is that asking too much?
âNoel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/05/08/charles-minstrel-show-blow-calls-tea-partiers-racists-again#ixzz0naTrSSZN
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[ In Reply To ..]Ths survey does not suggest that all individuals in the Tea Party espouse the views depicted. It simply sheds light on the ideological makeup of the group at large.
If the Tea Party seeks credibility in the public arena, it would do well to upgrade the consciousness of its members.
Ridiculous! You people simply judge when you have - NO credibility or evidence to do so.nm
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"You people" ?! - Really -- sm
[ In Reply To ..]No one is judging anything.
It's a survey.
It doesn't make judgments.
It collects data and reports it.
That's all a survey does.
Not talking about the survery.. talking about YOU. - and you who make things up.
[ In Reply To ..]--and surveys can be twisted any which way to make the answers come out however you like. I know you are smart enough to realize this?
Thanks for posting! Great article. It kind of - confirmed what I was
[ In Reply To ..]seeing as well.
Yes, you would see this with your eyes closed - GetReal
[ In Reply To ..]Its the easiest thing to do. Write an article about intolerance and race regarding the Tea Party. Most of us are not falling for this garbage anymore.
It's not an article - it's a study with meticulous - criteria
[ In Reply To ..]which; if you have a moderate level of ability to comprehend, you can plainly see.
Yeah, sure it is. Just like all the other meticulous - ones, with BIAS! Open eyes.nm
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Please demonstrate the bias you think this study - has
[ In Reply To ..]Please break it down for us as it does not appear in any way to be biased.
Right away with the drive-by attacks. I think you - need to GetReal and
[ In Reply To ..]accept that we are allowed to have an opinion as well. Maybe you just don't like hearing truths such as this. I know I would not if I were you. Difference is, I would reconsider my association with such people. You choose to stick your head in the sand instead, and that is your right.
The truth is, the country is in the toilet and Obama - and friends have delayed any recovery.
[ In Reply To ..]THATS THE TRUTH!! So, get YOUR head out of the sand, if you ever have the sense to.
You know, you can just keep repeating that but - it has been proven over
[ In Reply To ..]and over on this board that things are improving. The proof gets posted in response to exactly this type of garbage and none of you respond. Then a couple of days go by and someone makes another garbage posts. Has happened 4 or 5 times already. You are wrong. All indicators show things are improving. Stop trying to convince people otherwise. This is just another case of, as Bush once said, "catapulting the propaganda" in an attempt to make the masses believe it. You want to believe, obviously desperately, anything to make others think badly of President Obama, even lying, or ignoring the truth, and then spreading the lie. You place more importance on trashing the president than you do on acknowledging that the mess he was left with is slowly getting better. That is truly sad.
Yep, the old race copout.. baloney.. try again.nm - Voter
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What makes you think a study is a copout? - ?
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Total Copout!!! -what a joke.nm - Norton
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The total joke is all your one-liners. What a waste of board space. - Do you have anything
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Figures you would say that. You also believe in the - fairy tale that is Obama? LOL.nm
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Just wondering... - Zville MT
[ In Reply To ..]how those that did this "study" account for those of us in the TEA party who didn't like George Bush either. For most of us, it has nothing to do with race - if Colin Powell had run for president, I would have voted for him. It also has nothing to do with not being in power anymore - look at how the republicans screwed things up when they were in control! I completely understand not liking having your ox gored (your party being slammed), but at some point, people have to see it's about the downward spiral this country has been headed in for a long time and that BOTH parties are responsible. Yes, there are some people that are racist and wouldn't vote for a black politician if their lives depended on it. But you can't label an entire group based on the fringe cooks, no matter how many "studies" are done.
Could you demonstrate how this study is based - on
[ In Reply To ..]fringe kooks? I don't see it myself. Thanks.
Can't put my finger on it... - Zville MT
[ In Reply To ..]but I'm just voicing my opinion on this. Simply stating that it's wrong to generalize an entire group of people because some of them happen to be racist (and it is the fringe cooks who are racist, no matter what party you're talking about). But people will believe what they want to - I get that.
If you want to look at race in politics - sm
[ In Reply To ..]you might want to look at the democratic party. The primary reason Obama and the Dems have been shouting �RACISM� at every opportunity and making transparently false connections between the Tea Parties and potential violence was to gin up anger among the liberal base and encourage them to vote in big numbers like they did in 2008. Now we have Obama using Cinco De Mayo in a way to divide race in America even further.
Obama shows his own racism and yet his followers ignore it. However, if you oppose Obama's point of view...you are racist...go figure.
President Obama...the man who was supposed to bring us together....you can't bring us together when you cry racism every time someone disagrees with you. You can't cry racism when a police office shows up at a house after receiving a phone call of a possible break in and blame the white cop of racism for merely asking the black man who lived there for ID. He can't call an obvious Muslim Terrorist a Muslim Terrorist and waits days before saying anything about it....but when a white cop asks a black man for ID...Obama is quick and fast to throw out the race card.
Question for you.... - With
[ In Reply To ..]the long and inarguable history of racism in this country, how can you tell? How do YOU know whether happenings have anything to do with race or not? You don't know what is in another person's head.
Let those involved be the judge. People going around saying the race card is being played are merely playing their own race card.
By the way, do you know any policemen? I do and I know these things happen.
First of all....your response - sm
[ In Reply To ..]is a perfect example and I thank you for sharing. How can you tell whether happenings have anything to do with race or not....yet our own president jumped to conclusions with the police officer from Cambridge and said he acted stupidly for arresting a black professor without knowing the whole story. Was that not our very own president throwing up the race card?
As for cops...I do know cops and even have one in my family. Not all cops are bad or racist.
Why does it bother you so? Do you think it doesn't happen? - Do you?
[ In Reply To ..]If you think race is not an issue at any time and should not be commented upon, then you have a problem.
You really need to go back and see what Obama said about the incident in full also.
Policeman are notorious for racial judgements as you well know. No one except the people involved will ever know exactly what happened.
I am not naive enough to say that racism doesn't happen. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]However, I'm also not naive enough to believe that only white people and/or white cops are the only racists. I believe that people of all races and occupations can be racist but the news doesn't care about minorities being racist. They seem to only report on white racism.
Do you really believe that Obama would have invited the cop to the WH for a beer if the actual events of that arrest were based on nothing but racial profiling. The cops received a call about a possible break in. What don't you get about this?
What's your point then? You are saying that Obama played the - race card
[ In Reply To ..]and now you're saying he invited the cop to the whitehouse. Your posts are always twisted. When you get in a corner, you wiggle and wiggle and wiggle. It's really funny!
Please see message. - Nikki
[ In Reply To ..]You wrote, "President Obama...the man who was supposed to bring us together," and then you listed some things that cast all the blame on President Obama.
I'd suggest that calling for Americans to be "armed and dangerous" (Michele Bachmann), "Healthcare reform will be Obama's Waterloo" (Jim DeMint), constantly voting against what the President wants and even voting against by the writer of the amendment AREN'T ways to bring us together.
The healthcare reform bill was sabotaged by the Republicans, and after including their suggestions in an attempt at bipartisanship, we are stuck with a piece of garbage. Most people wanted the public option. Joe Lieberman thought lowering the age of Medicare recipients was a good idea, and then he voted AGAINST it.
These aren't isolated incidents. If Obama wants something, even if it agrees with the Republicans, the Republicans are against anything that Obama is for. It's been going on this way since inauguration day.
I'd say there's plenty of blame to go around. 
Are you serious? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]How in the world could pubs sabotage Obamacare when the dems never needed the pubs to pass the bill in the first place? The dems had enough of them to pass this by themselves....but there were some dems who weren't for it either. Get a clue!!!!
So, you're denying that the public option was dropped as a nonpartisan - effort
[ In Reply To ..]in order to work with the pubs? Unbelievable!
Bottom line - sm
[ In Reply To ..]if the dems wanted to pass healthcare the way they wanted it done...they could have done so. There were some dems that really weren't for the public option either.
Is that your point? How laughable. So because they could have passed it with the - public option
[ In Reply To ..]...just because "they could have" they get no credit whatsoever for trying to work with the obstructionists? Sounds like something an argumentative child would say.
You wanna talk about working with the pubs. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Why did Obama laugh every time pubs brought up tort reform? The pubs mentioned many things that the dems just laughed about and scoffed at. If Obama really wanted to be bipartisan....he would have taken serious consideration to their suggestions. I've never seen such an administration that literally says they want to be bipartison but pretty much rolls their eyes at anything said from an opposing point of view. You wanna talk about childish.....I have yet to see a president blatantly calling people names until this president. Calling tea party people "tea baggers." How childish is that? I've never seen a president who can't handle criticism from those who oppose him so he ignores their cause completely and/or calls them names. THAT is childish.
We will see how well his ignoring those who oppose his views goes when he is up for re-election.
Oh, spurred a rant. Nope, that wasn't the topic - at all
[ In Reply To ..]It was about the health care bill and your remark about how the Dems could have passed it with the public option anyway and how it doesn't count that they tried to work with the obstructionist pubs and found out they just didn't want to. And now, taking credit for the "good parts" may be added.
Any pub who tries to take - sm
[ In Reply To ..]credit for the health care bill is a moron. This is a huge mistake....a mistake that is going to cost us much more money than Obama quoted us....although how would Obama really know because I'm sure he didn't read the bill himself. What does that say about our president? He bribes people to get votes for this bill when he himself didn't read it.
Obama with his...no higher taxes....and I read that my state alone will have to spend over 3 billion dollars more of tax money to cover Obamacare. Don't you get it or are you people that delusional?
Obama's idea of bipartisanship is for the dems to scoff at the pubs ideas and if the pubs don't do it the way dems want them to....they are branded as not being bipartisan. Bipartisan is about compromise. Obama thinks bipartisanship is when he can force the pubs to agree with him. That man is nothing but a bully from Chicago who has had everything handed to him. He can't take criticism at all and has been known to stoop to name calling and putting down people. His comment to McCain about the election being over was just plain rude...especially since Obama is the one who hasn't stopped campaigning and I don't even like McCain and think he should be voted out of office as well....but Obama was still rude to him and that is uncalled for.
Reading your posts makes me curious. Are you a very young - person?
[ In Reply To ..]?
I was wondering that myself, judging by the - wording, the context and
[ In Reply To ..]zero attention span. Sounds like a petulant teenager without any facts just lashing out and repeating what mommy told them.
spurious argument - moniker
[ In Reply To ..]Cite an example of President Obama crying racism.
So Obama's - sm
[ In Reply To ..]act of telling the Cambridge police they acted stupidly without first finding out the facts of the event. Even Bill Cosby said Obama spoke too soon. Was that not Obama saying that the white cop who arrested the black professor did so based on race?
Are you blind or just in denial?
sorry, that just doesn't fly -- sm - moniker
[ In Reply To ..]President Obama was very even-handed in that situation. I do not hear him crying racism in this instance.
The president remarked as follows:
"But I think it's fair to say, No. 1, any of us would be pretty angry," Obama said. "No. 2, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home. And No. 3 -- what I think we know separate and apart from this incident -- is that there is a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately, and that's just a fact."
Of course it doesn't fly with you because - sm
[ In Reply To ..]it is against Obama and we must believe every lie that comes out of his mouth.
The police received a call about a possible break in. Where was the proof he lived there? The black man instantly took offense and started yelling at the cop instead of just proving to him he lived there. If there had been no phone call about a possible burglary...fine....but there was a call and the cops have a duty to check that out. If the man hadn't been so rude and started yelling at the cop and shown his ID....it all would have been fine. Instead....the professor instantly thought the cop was stopping him because he was black. So who was the racist in this instance?
The cop was doing his job by checking on a possible burglary. The black man who was asked for ID instantly accused the cop of racism and instead of just showing his ID....started yelling.
How can the cop act stupidly when he was doing his job?
How can you know what actually happened? - You
[ In Reply To ..]have no idea what really happened. None of us do.
Here is the police report regarding the Gates - incident
[ In Reply To ..]http://writingjunkie.net/gates-police-report.pdf
HA! I was married to a policeman for 10 years. - No need to wave
[ In Reply To ..]a police report around to try to prove anything to me. I know better.
this doesn't fly either ... sm - moniker
[ In Reply To ..]How is your description of this event an example of the president crying racism?
You state: "The black man who was asked for ID instantly accused the cop of racism".
This has nothing to do with the president.
The challenge was to cite an actual example of the president crying racism.
Obviously you are blind to anything Obama really does. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]The fact that obama said the cop acted stupidly without knowing the full facts of the incident is his admission into thinking the cop was acting out of racism because the man was black. It is as obvious as the nose on your face....or don't you have one? ;)
You people find more excuses for our joke of a president....it is truly amazing. Such talent ya'll have.
Will you still find excuses for him when we are totally bankrupt and our country collapses. How about when a terror attempt actually works and more Americans are murdered by Muslim extremists? You still gonna refuse to call them Muslim terrorists? I'm sure that won't be Obama's fault either even though he is cutting defense in our country.
Please chant with me....Obama is our master....Obama is always right.....Evil pubs must die.....no such thing as Muslim terrorists....spending money we don't have is good......socialism is the way.....rich people are evil (even though dems are rich too).....
Please excuse me while I puke!
This is your problem. You actually believe you know the - facts
[ In Reply To ..]Can't you get it through your head that you do not? You DO NOT know. No way, no how. You didn't talk to the professor, nor can you believe a police "narrative."
Get it through your head!
P.S. Insistence on basing a like for Obama (or any president) on cult-like mentality does not reflect well on one's intelligence level. People who think this way are generally quite susceptible to all sorts of beliefs not based in fact. Such accusations are quite reflective on the accuser.
weak - weak
[ In Reply To ..]Projecting your flimsy belief system onto others is not equivalent to using your mind.
Your thinking is weak.
Don't tell me what is obvious, and don't you dare wink at me.
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