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Lies from House Republicans


Posted: Nov 11, 2009

Last Saturday night, CSPAN broadcast the House debate on the health-care bill.  Here's just a sample of some of the outright LIES peddled by your Republican House members:

House Minority Leader John Boehner:  "If you're a Medicare Advantage enrollee . . . the Congressional Budget Office says that 80 percent of them are going to lose their Medicare Advantage."

It's a lie.  The Medicare Actuary estimated that projected enrollment would be down by 64% if cuts took effect.  Choosing not to enroll is not the same as "losing their Medicare Advantage.

Brett Guthrie (R-KY):  "The bill raises taxes for just about everyone."

It's a lie.  The bill imposes a surtax on the top 0.3% of households, individuals making more than $500,000 a year, and couples making more than $1 million.

Tom Price (R-GA):  "This bill, on Page 733, empowers the Washington bureaucracy to deny lifesaving patient care if it costs too much."

It's a lie.  On page 733, the bill proposes a Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research "in order to identify the manner in which diseases, disorders, and other health conditions can most effectively and appropriately be prevented, diagnosed, treated, and managed clinically."

Tom Price again:  "This bill, on Page 94, will make it illegal for any American to obtain health care not approved by Washington."

It's a lie.  The bill proposes setting minimum federal standards for employer-provided insurance, in part to determine who is eligible to buy coverage through the newly created insurance exchanges.

Dave Camp (R-MI):  "Americans could face five years in jail if they don't comply with the bill's demands to buy approved health insurance."

It's a lie.  The bill proposes a requirement for people to obtain insurance or, with some hardship exceptions, pay a fine. No one is being jailed for being uninsured.  People who evade paying the tax could be prosecuted just like people who cheat on their taxes.

Buck McKeon (R-CA):  "I offered two amendments to try to improve this bill -- one to require members of Congress to enroll in the public option like we're going to require all of you to do."

It's a lie.  No one is required to enroll in the public option. In fact, most people won't even be eligible to enroll in the public option or other plans available through the exchanges.

Ginny Brown-Waite (R-FL): "The president's own economic advisers have said that this bill will kill 5.5 million jobs."

It's a lie.  The chair of the Council of Economic Advisers, has estimated that the bill would increase economic growth and add jobs.

When Republican leaders have nothing substantial to offer or they're too stupid to read the actual bill itself, they lie about it.

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I expect they ALL lie - gourdpainter

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that's what the two parties are BOTH all about. By the time people wake up and realize they've been screwed yet again, unfortunately it will probably be too late.

You've got that one right - also.... - just me

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I don't understand why people are posting about the health care plan.

1. There are lies on both side. For every lie one side tells there is an equal lie on the other side.

2. What do people expect from posting here. It's not going to change anyone's mind, and the politicians are going to vote whatever way they want. I hope they will listen to the people they represent.

All I'll say is this - whatever way the vote goes... I will hope it will be the best choice for Americans.

To me, voting for a 2000 page bill that no one has fully - read or understands...is a crime !.nm

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I really don't understand the problem people have....(sm) - Just the big bad
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with the bill being 2000 pages. When I vote for representatives of congress, I kind of take into consideration whether or not the candidate can actually read and actually has mastered reading comprehension. It goes a long way when making the decisions they should be able to make. If your senator/congressman is unable to read (or comprehend what he/she reads) then I would suggest you vote for someone else next time.

You guys act like it's a big injustice that they should have to go through the trouble of reading this bill. I'm sorry, but isn't it their JOB to do exactly that?
So your saying your okay with them voting - just me
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on something they haven't read or even know what's in it? Just as long as they know how to read?

Sorry, JTBB I so disagree. Here are my concerns about this.

It's over 2000 pages, which means there is a lot of room to stick things in that have nothing to do with health care. No health care bill should be that long. Second, I don't think people would have had as much of a problem with it if they said it's 2000 pages long and will take us 6 months to read it. When we have all read it and understand and discussed what was in it we will then vote. Whether it takes 3 months, 6 months, or a year. P.O. doesn't know what's in it, all he cares about is it's written by democrats and it will make him "look good" if it is passed.

I also think people would not have such a huge "uneasiness" about this if Congress was to say. Look, this bill is such a great bill for everyone that we are going to join it too. What people have a real issue with is when asked if they will join it they say "not no, but he!! no".

I don't know about you but all the politicians in office I know of know how to read. They just don't want to take the time to read something so important that will affect all of America. To me it shows how little they care about us (except the ones who are voting against it because they've read what's in it).
Lawmakers and literacy - NJ
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Why on earth would it take a lawmaker, many of whom are lawyers and highly educated, 6 months to read 2000 pages? I agree with Big Bad. If they haven't read it by now, they aren't doing their jobs.

NJ
You are talking about law makers.....(sm) - Just the big bad
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Not your ordinary Joe Plumber. These folks are supposed to be able to do this. It is their JOB. The ones saying he!! no may or may not have read the bill, who knows? However, they are also the ones who come back and tell the public falsehoods about what is actually in the bill. And if they have read the bill, why are the still griping about how big it is? If you're waiting for every American to read the bill, then I wouldn't hold your breath. Most will not read the bill. That's what they have congressmen for.

The ones who are saying yes, have not only read the bill, but most have had discussions/meetings about what was to go into the bill. Pubs had that chance and all they wanted to do was say NO.

They don't want to come up with any kind of feasible option, don't want to compromise, and all they seem to want to do is whine like 4 year olds.

What you don't seem to understand is that the pub party right now is not concerned with Americans. The only thing they are concerned about is how to get back in power, and if that means denying healthcare to people who need it in order to go against the current ones in power, then so be it.
Like the crats are really concerned with Americans right now when - Good grief!
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54% of Americans did not want this bill passed. Yep, really working for the people. And that is not to say that I am just attacking democrats because you are right, it is republicans too but let's be real and share the blame here because there is enough to cover both sides ten times over.
Crats have been trying to pass healthcare reform...(sm) - Just the big bad
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for years -- not only when they were the majority. What's funny to me about this is that EVERYONE seems to understand that the current system is not sustainable and needs to be fixed. I do believe Bush even agreed with that. So why is it that now all of the sudden the republican party thinks everything is oby kaybe just the way it is?
I so disagree with this - just me
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I do not believe crats have been trying to pass healthcare reform for years. They had their turn and they did nothing. For years nothing was done (by both sides). Trying to say Democrats care about us but Republicans don't is just a bunch of hogwash. You are lumping everyone in one group. There are many politicians both sides who have shown compassion for the people and listened to us (at the town hall meetings), and there has been politicians on both sides who have shown they don't care about us (again at town hall meetings). People like B. Franks, N. Pelosi, H. Reid and a few others I can name off the top of my head that have shown they don't give a hoot about us. But I'm not going to say all Democrats don't because I think some do (Kucinich and a couple others I can't think of their name right now).

I don't think anyone in the Republican party thinks the current system is okay, and they've come out and said so, and they have been trying to get their suggestions submitted, but people like Reid won't even talk to them, and Obama won't even respond to the letters they've submitted asking for some time to sit down. Instead what I hear is Obama giving a speech telling the country he just wants them to "sit down and shut up" (his words, not mine).

SOME of the current system needs to be fixed. Other parts of it are okay. We need to fix the broken parts. Not overhaul the whole system when 80-85% of the American people are happy with their health care. Fix the part for the 10-15% that are not happy.

And for goodness sake fix Medicare and give the American people confidence that the government can actually fix something. They have failed to show us that so far.

Years and years and years have gone by and I have not seen the democrats trying to fix health care, and to be fair I have not seen the republicans try to fix it either.

All I say is people have read the bill. People know what they want for their lives. Representatives need to start listening to the people in their districts and do what we want them to. Not what they are bribed or threatened with.

It would be nice for a politician to say to the DC crowd, I don't want your stinkin money or threats. I will vote for what the people want. They elected me, I work for them, not you.
History of health care reform - NJ
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The democrats tried it last time under Clinton, so I'm kind of surprised at your claim that the dems haven't been trying health care reform for a number of years.


Anyway, here's a nifty little timeline that's kind of cool. Truman wanted compulsary coverage! I didn't know that. Ted Kennedy touted single payer back in the early 70s. Carter also wanted universal coverage. Lots of neat info in there.


NJ

Thx, didn't know that - just me
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I like the nifty little timeline.

It will be interesting to research who in republican side tried for health care reform.

Oh I remember Ol Clinton's heath care crap-care plan. I don't remember the exact specifics but I do remember it was as bad as Pelosi-crap care plan.

Isn't there any good politicians out there who care about us who will give us a good plan. (non-political party affiliated).
Great timeline! Clearly shows how long the fight....sm - oldtimer
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for healthcare reform has been going on. Interestingly, it was the AMA all that time that was dead set against universal coverage citing "socialism" and all the same things the naysayers are saying today. However, now the AMA is for the heathcare reform bill with a government option.
Wrong.. Lots of republicans want reform, but not - this disastrous bill...big difference.nm
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Pub party not concerned with Americans? - Sunflower
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I so disagree. Pubs do not want socialism. I for one do not want government run health care. I also disagree about pubs not concerned with Americans. From what I have been hearing, there are a lot of unrest going on in the United States and if Obama Care wins, a civil war could break out. There was a poll done on Fox News and about 190,000 people voted and 95% stated they disagree with Congress over Obama's Health Care. Government is not listening to the people and the republicans are sticking up for us.

Dems say they ARE listening to the people. The people voted for Obama and they wanted change (like a lot of us said, you sure as heck going to get change) and so Dems are doing what the people voted for back in 2008, but not necessarily what the people want right now.

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/

Gallup Says Support for Health Care Has Dropped Double Digits

11/10/09

* Gallup: Only 29% in support of health care.
* Two-thirds of Americans say the new health care bill would either make little difference in their own health or make their situation worse.
* Obama has a 60% disapproval rating on handling the federal budget deficit.

* CNN on Obama's health care plan: Oppose 53%, Favor 45%.
* Ipsos: Oppose 49%, Favor 39%.
* 17% say health care is America's top priority.

New gallup polls.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124226/republicans-edge-ahead-democrats-2010-vote.aspx

November 11, 2009
Republicans Edge Ahead of Democrats in 2010 Vote
Registered voters prefer Republicans for the House, 48% to 44%
PRINCETON, NJ -- Republicans have moved ahead of Democrats by 48% to 44% among registered voters in the latest update on Gallup's generic congressional ballot for the 2010 House elections, after trailing by six points in July and two points last month.
Who has time to read the bills? - MTnCA
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From July 2009

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2009/07/rep_john_conyer.php
You totally miss the point. They admittedly do NOT read it - do not "have time".!!!!!!!.nm
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Good to see you back, Nikki - Colleen
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And I see you are being totally reasonable as always. Please continue to be the calm voice of reason and hopefully the rest of us can follow your example. Good to see you. Good points, btw.
Just saw your email. Thanks.

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