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Judge rules Bush/Obama NSA wiretap program
Posted: Apr 1, 2010
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Isn't that a shame. Now this group can go merrily on its way - Backwards Typist
[ In Reply To ..]Chalk one up for the terrorists. See the following/ found on Wikepedia. Make sure you check out the detainees at Gitmo who worked or volunteered for this group.
"Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation was a charity foundation, based in Saudi Arabia, alleged to be a front for the international terrorist organization al-Qaeda. Although all charges were dropped by a federal judge, it is now banned worldwide by United Nations Security Council Committee 1267[1].
The Office of Foreign Assets Control of the United States Department of the Treasury had already banned various branches of this organization at various times, including the US branch on 9 September 2004[2]. Under various names it had branches in Afghanistan, Albania, Bangladesh, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Comoros, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Kenya, the Netherlands, Nigeria, Pakistan, Somalia, Tanzania, and the USA.[1]
The American branches of this foundation were in Ashland, Oregon and Springfield, Missouri. Two directors of those branches, Suliman Al-Buthe ( سليÙ…اÙ† اÙ„بوثي ) and Aqeel Abdul Aziz Al-Aqil ( عقيÙ„ عبد اÙ„عزيز اÙ„عقيÙ„ ), are now personally embargoed worldwide by the UN.[1]
Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation was a charity foundation, based in Saudi Arabia, alleged to be a front for the international terrorist organization al-Qaeda. Although all charges were dropped by a federal judge, it is now banned worldwide by United Nations Security Council Committee 1267[1].
The Office of Foreign Assets Control of the United States Department of the Treasury had already banned various branches of this organization at various times, including the US branch on 9 September 2004[2]. Under various names it had branches in Afghanistan, Albania, Bangladesh, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Comoros, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Kenya, the Netherlands, Nigeria, Pakistan, Somalia, Tanzania, and the USA.[1]
The American branches of this foundation were in Ashland, Oregon and Springfield, Missouri. Two directors of those branches, Suliman Al-Buthe ( سليÙ…اÙ† اÙ„بوثي ) and Aqeel Abdul Aziz Al-Aqil ( عقيÙ„ عبد اÙ„عزيز اÙ„عقيÙ„ ), are now personally embargoed worldwide by the UN.[1]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Haramain_Foundation
Also check out this site. Gives plenty of info on this group.
http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/enforcement/key-issues/protecting/charities_execorder_13224-a.shtml#ahif
Wiretapping...... - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Wiretapping is illegal unless the proper authorities are given permission through a judge to do so. And since they claim to have all this info, there should be no problem getting a warrant to institute wiretapping for THOSE organizations. Just to be given the okay to wiretap opens a flood gate of abuse for private citizens who may have a problem with the government but by no means are terorrists. They just don't like the govt's activities and speak out against it.
With the terrorist info on these groups, there should be no reason a warrant can't be obtained to wiretap on those groups.
A little common sense goes a long way. These organizations have been watched closely and the FBI/CIA know exactly what they are up to and should not have a problem coughing up enough proof to expedite a warrant by a judge to wiretap.
...and everything obtained towards a case against the terrorist group would - Backwards Typist
[ In Reply To ..]would be ruled out in this case and they would have to start over, which means this group has even more time to get their ducks in a row.
If it were so illegal, why didn't legal counsel to the president(s) advise this prior to doing it? Why didn't they check the law themselves? Congress gave approval, right? Did any judge speak up then? I can't remember but will look around.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think the government should wiretap at their every whim, but I also think when the security of this country is in jeopardy and/or they know a group is engaged in terrorist activities, that the government should have the right to gather evidence against them.
As was stated in one article I read, it can sometimes take days or longer for a warrant to be issued, depending on what's one the court's plate. For example, the government knows a plot is going to take place on such-and-such a day/month. They need a wiretap to collect evidence. They request a warrant then must wait for the court warrant to wiretap to get the positive evidence. Meanwhile, the attack happened "yesterday" and the court still has the request on their calendar. See what I mean? Or am I wrong?
When Bush signed this..... - sm
[ In Reply To ..]it provided the framework needed to actually do surveillance without a warrant, which would be a big no-no. And it was to "spy on private u.s. citizens" AND the Democrat Congress didn't want it anyway and wouldn't agree to everything he wanted to do. They were also afraid of overstepping government bounds, which is exactly what is happening with Obama's administration. Funny how that works.
They could do what they wanted then, terrorists or no terrorits. Besides, Bush didn't need to add that. We already have warrants in place for wiretapping and the such.
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