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Immigration reform S. 744 passes Senate
Posted: Jun 27, 2013
Don't think it will pass the House. Border security is NOT first in this bill and Janet Napolitano is the one who will make the decision on whether the border is secure or not...and we all know she thinks it is secure...that's why they never finished the fence. Yet the border agents are saying it's not secure and....well, if it WAS secure, how did 11 Million illegal immigrants cross it?
This bill also sets limits on ag workers, lower than what it is now.
BTW, vote was 68-32.
It's going to be 1986 all over again. Why the heck would the Senate NOT want to secure the border first? You can't trust their word that it will be done and it's like shutting the barn door after the horse runs away. Stupid.
Last time there were only a few thousand illegals here, now theres millions. What will it be the next time they want AMNESTY for illegals.
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Trillions? - Fanatical Hypocrite
[ In Reply To ..]"Last time there were only a few thousand illegals here, now theres millions. What will it be the next time they want AMNESTY for illegals."
I know you didn't mean it that way and there is validity to it, but it reminded me of when Jeb Bush helpfully pointed out the other week that immigrants (white politician for Mexicans) are especially fertile and that this has caused them to have especially large... broods? Litters? What do they call them? Oh, yeah, families. He even meant it in a positive way.
But in truth, millions is about the limit. Probably a few more millions added on there, but us legals are still reproducing too. Last time I was in a Wal-mart I saw packs of feral legal kids running through the store, swarming over the toy aisles like piranhas, leaving nothing but the empty boxes and bare shelves like the skeletal remains of capitalism.
Why is everyone so scared of illegals? I like produce. I eat vegetables and berries and fruit and one of the reasons I do this because I don't need to put a down payment on them or take out a mortgage. Our economy depends on illegal labor. Not is aided by it. Depends on it. Amnesty or no, we can't deport 10 million people. Mass deportations on that scale, including in our own history, have never gone well.
As for border security, I'm not opposed to the concept at all. Knowing what's happening on your borders is never a bad idea. However, there is no way to do it. The Republican Party made its wishes clear. No new spending. Ever. Of any kind. We can't get new bridges or roads or tunnels or waterworks. We can't get new social programs to help people slipping through the cracks. We can't cut down the military. We can't raise taxes. We can't even re-direct the military from the Middle East because we broke it and now apparently we bought it (I wouldn't have paid that much for it, not my choice of real estate, but no one asked.) We can't bring jobs back home. We won't do the lousy jobs here (for the record, I'm not picking strawberries for anything less than 20 bucks an hour.) How are we supposed to build a giant electric, be-turreted Great Wall of America patrolled by guards and dogs and helicopters without using money or manpower (aside from maybe that evil robot from the RoboCop movies)? How can we adequately patrol so many miles of rough terrain without way higher costs to the military or police? What's the point of deporting people when they can come right back? How detrimental are the illegal immigrants versus the insane costs of stopping them? Border security is a nice dream, but that's all it is.
The best we can do is be nice to the immigrants we have, try to help them while they help us, prevent them from being forced to turn to criminal enterprises to avoid getting squeezed out and make the path to citizenship easier for everyone so more people feel compelled to register themselves at the border rather than sneak through so we can know who's coming here for work and who's coming here as part of more nefarious plans.
We proclaim our hatred of illegal immigrants even as we use them to hold our agricultural system and services industry afloat. We have a mutually beneficial relationship. Like sharks and remora, except that we're all the same species, so you'd think if anything it would be easier. I guess sharks and fish just get along better than Americans and... anyone.
"Well, Americans
What, nothin' better to do?
Why don't you kick yourself out?
You're an immigrant too
Who's usin' who?
What should we do?
Well, you can't be a pimp
And a prostitute too." -Icky Thump by the White Stripes
No one said we're afraid of illegals. It's the way they came to this country. - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]They didn't come here by the legal means like law-abiding immigrants do.
They came here by illegal means and then get in an uproar when they're deported. A lot of the illegals commit crimes and a lot of them are drug dealers and/or in the drug cartel. Others are terrorists (not all illegal immigrants are Mexican) and who knows what or where they are hiding until they attack us.
Don't you believe that criminal illegals should be deported? That has always been the law. Yet, the DOJ has been letting them ALL go, regardless of their record.
Illegals should NOT have special treatment (being allowed to stay here while waiting for their green card) because it's UNFAIR to those who have waited LEGALLY to come to this country.
There is no other country on this planet that has open borders. Even Mexico. We are the only country that REWARD illegals for coming here. Is that right?
That's my main frustration with this country. They make laws but give special treatment to some. Why waste the time making laws.
It's my understanding that the border security will not add any new spending; that the money is there. I need to look that up again, but in the meantime, I'll stick to the understanding that no new spending is necessary for border security.
it is factually incorrect that the DOJ is letting them ALL go - sm
[ In Reply To ..]In fact, the Obama administration has deported more illegal immigrants than the previous administration.
Plus, MOST countries on this planet have open borders. There are not walls and fences all over Europe, Asia, and Africa. lol
they do not want to finish the fence - because
[ In Reply To ..]there is a so-called "imaginary" highway that runs from Mexico all the way up to Canada for drug runners. They do not want the "highway" closed because that is "their" bread and butter...drug money. and that's the truth.
MAJOR pork for contractors. Come on, drone-patrolled - Walls over 7000 miles long? Again,
[ In Reply To ..]aside from the hideous, permanent expenses of building, maintaining and manning The Walls, how would you get OUT if you needed to? Remember, black helicopters, government stockpiling ammunition, giant camps for conservatives being built in the west? (Don't expect air conditioning.)
Now, given that we already have many millions of Hispanic citizens voting and breeding and that hermetically sealing the nation would make absolutely no difference in that reality, the main effect of building The Walls would be a symbolic spit in the face of our neighbors on both sides. Are you sure it's worth it? Do want tax increases to pay people to mow and trim and grind trees 5 days a week forever to keep the approaches clear, floodlights working, a whole extension of military greed for newest drone models, armed civilian patrollers, etc. on and on? Maybe just give them a symbolic finger now and then instead? THAT's free and no threat to our pocketbooks or freedoms.
(WHERE are the sensible, responsible conservatives?)
Uh, where are the trees in the desert by the border? - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]I've never seen any in all the shows I've watched on border patrols. There's brush and tumbleweeds "inland" further from the border but none at the border. It's all dirt.
Would you care to show me a photo of trees at the border? Thanks.
Don't forget the rest. This isn't just about brown skins, it's - about terrorists and safety, supposedly. PLUS,
[ In Reply To ..]don't forget--there're fortunes to be made in every mile of it, them thar northern forests to be slashed and burned are just more gold. A wall might seem small now, but it would take on a life of its own. Hoards of companies busy building it, extending it, maintaining it, lobbying for expanding and improving it, i.e., more fortune to be made, more and more and more. It would inevitably become an extension of the military-industrial-wall street complex.
And, inevitably, some people would feel it could and should be put to more use.
Lower taxes? Smaller government? Less deficit? The Wall would eat them all.
A little wall, like now, as a symbolic finger in the eye to the South? What's the point? That's just an expensive joke. It doesn't keep out your grandmother's caretaker returning from visiting her grandchildren in Ecuador, but it makes great pork for the counties bordering it.
You're kidding, right? We have 800 miles of them - just in Texas
[ In Reply To ..]Trees tend to grow along river banks. Lots of them.
Brownsville/Harlingen Texas
http://www.thehibbitts.net/troy/photo/scenery/hidalgo_county_texas.htm
Flood stage here is a branch of the Rio Grande in the middle of Santa Ana Wildlife Refuge @ Hidalgo Texas/Reynosa Mexico, 70 miles to the west of Harlingen
Proceeding up river
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/state-parks/bentsen-rio-grande-valley
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM3NE7_Bentsen_Rio_Grande_Valley_State_Park_Mission_Texas
Mission Texas, Bensten Rio Grande
http://www.trails.com/list_29149_near-rio-grande-city-texas.html
Rio Grande City Texas 100 miles West of Brownsville Texas
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/20776771
Laredo Texas 200 miles west of Brownsville
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rio_Grande_River_in_Eagle_Pass,_TX_IMG_2083.JPG
Eagle Pass Texas 325 miles west of Brownsville
http://usparks.about.com/od/bigbend/ss/Big-Bend-Day-Trip_8.htm
Big Bend National Park (larger than the State of Rhode Island), 600 miles west of Brownsville Texas
http://www.city-data.com/picfilesc/picc7952.php
El Paso Texas 800 miles west of Brownsville
So I think we can all agree there are trees on the border, huh?
beautiful photos - well done
[ In Reply To ..]watch us all get reported for responding to the photo challenge!
They are beautiful pictures. Makes me want to - take a Wall walk. :)
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No, I was not. - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]Evidently, TX border patrols are not seen on TV. All I've ever seen is sagebrush and sand. You didn't have to be sarcastic about it.
I don't live there so I only know what I see on TV news.
I think we can all agree that the world is much more dimensional and vast than - what is seen/heard on TV(nm)
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it's not all dirt for goodness sake - photo per your request
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here's another - Laredo
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TY. Nice pics. No message - Truthhurts
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border patrol poisoning plants - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Perhaps the shows you've seen didn't cover the entire 2,000-mile border, which is arid but quite fertile. We can't see it all in a show.
ALSO because fining/jailing U.S. employers would - be much more effective. Jobs spigot closed.
[ In Reply To ..]Now, how is it that such a simple, powerful solution is ignored by...well, you?
Could the people you trust to tell you what to support by any chance be screwing you over?
It will not pass the House - me
[ In Reply To ..]and if it does, we all need to renounce our citizenship and become illegal aliens so the government can take care of us too.
that's a shame - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Some of us love our country. If you are willing to renounce your citizenship, I don't think we would miss you.
May I ask what money for tourism in Las Vegas has to do with this bill? - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]Lots of oink in this bill that has NOTHING to do with immigration reform like this:
“CORPORATION FOR TRAVEL PROMOTION.—Sec- 9(d)(2)(B) of the Travel Promotion Act of 2009 (22 U.S.C. 2131(d)(2)(B)) is amended by striking ‘‘For each of fiscal years 2012 through 2015,’’ and inserting ‘‘For each fiscal year after 2012.”.
Above is a Harry Reid baby who wants to pay back Las Vegas for their support. On his Senate website, he posted thank you messages for the tax dollars casinos splashed across Las Vegas billboards.
Vitter is reading the bill; here are a few nuggets he’s put forth via Twitter:
─Harry Reid drew pocket aces in the #immigration agreement. Made his tourism (Vegas) promotion agency permanent. P66 of Corker-Hoeven amend.
─Pg121 of Corker amendt says illegal immigrants can keep their confiscated property. Wonder if Federales extend same courtesy to Americans?
─Page 4-6 of Corker-Hoeven-Rubio substitute of #Gangof8 bill lets wife beaters, drunk drivers, and child abusers get amnesty.
None of the border security measures in the Corker–Hoeven amendment have to be in place until illegal immigrants with registered provisional immigrant status are to receive green cards 10 years down the road.”
Yet, the amendments that would have made the bill a really good one were voted down by the Senate. One is that border security had to be in place before anyone could begin the process of legalizing the immigrants.
Those are just a couple items that have been turning up. Gotta go. Storm coming again. Read the bill at Thomas Library.
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