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I never thought I would agree with Hillary, but I do.

Posted: Aug 13, 2014

with regard to Obama's handling of Syria.

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Good-maybe you will like her as President - nm

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nm

Never again would I vote for a liberal. - sm

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I used to vote based on the person or issue, but no more. I think liberalism has descended this country into an amoral abyss. No more liberalism for me. I'll just continue to clutch my Bible, my gun and my pearls, thank you very much.

And never again would I vote for a con. - sm

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I, too, used to vote based on the person/issue, but no more. I think conservatism has descended this country into a greedy plutocracy where the gap between the rich and the poor continues to rise, and the soulless cons are clearly on the side of big greedy corporations, big money and big war, without any empathy or understanding regarding a "regular" person being able to earn a living wage, which they are totally against and vehemently so. No more conservatism for me. I'll just continue to count my pennies and dimes and continue to struggle to help feed my family.

I did financially much better under repub presidents. - I did bad under Carter and now Obama.

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NM

And I did financially much better under - sm

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President Clinton, who not only balanced the budget but left a surplus when Bush took over and squandered.

I DID vote for Ronald Reagan and then proceeded to lose my job with Legal Aid after HE cut funding in the program. I believe that's when the hating of poor people began.

Really? There are so many delusions regarding - Clinton, including that he had any morals. nm

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nm

I may not like what Clinton did in his PRIVATE - sm

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life, but I LOVE what he did to my financial life!

Scary part is they wrap it in - sm

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the Bible to sell it. If the greed, money making part do not apply or appeal, there's always religion to sweep up the rest of them. It is abhorrent the way the conservatives use religion to promote fear, condemn, separate and persecute.

Part of the 2016 campaign - Laura

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She must separate herself from Obama so as to have a chance in 2016 - she is starting to do that now that it gets closer. Her dilemma is to please those who don't like Obama and please those who do - oh, my - this is going to get interesting......

Even though ideologically speaking she is the same as - Obama, I agree she has to

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distance herself from him. He was supposed to make her vice pres., but he didn't He made her secretary of state in title, but he micromanaged it with his national security people.

You are right, this is going to get interesting.

"Ideologically speaking," they are NIGHT and DAY! - sm

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I want to know how she cares about healthcare (which she tried by herself to implement when "Hubba Bubba" was president).

I want to know what she thinks of the economy regarding the largest wage gap in American history.

I want to know if she will cut off financial aid and food stamps, especially for those who work TWO jobs but are paid very little by very big corporations.

In other words, I want to know whether she is a wolf in sheep's clothing or whether she REALLY cares about people who need government assistance due to not being able to earn a LIVING wage, or if she would just throw them to the wolves -- like TPubs would.

I already know she's a traitor (should have NEVER made the statement she made about her former boss -- the current sitting president (TPubs will love her for that!)

I already know she's a liar, "poor Hillary," being "broke" after she left the White House.

I already know that she won't hold Israel accountable for their misdeeds, such as coming to the Pentagon and DEMANDING weapons, rather than have authorization.

I'd like to see Elizabeth Warren run. I think she'd make a fine president.

Elizabeth Warren - sm

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She might be an interesting candidate, I just don't think she is electable, right now. No problem with her politics at all. For whatever reason you might like, it is not her time, she is too liberal, whatever. She will benefit greatly from throwing her hat in and going through the process. She will be given the forum to sort out some of the stupid stuff attached to every election (Native American Indian issue, etc) and she will get a whole lot of name recognition, and then she can come back at it later.

Hillary is the candidate, unless for some reason she doesn't run? or she just flat stumbles and falls into a hole.

and yep, this is nothing more than an opinion.

She's Obama's puppet. - sm

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And just followed along with his lies regarding Obamacare. Let her run, she'll be easily defeated. LOL

Agreed, but she has access to all that Soros money - and all his groups, plus

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Hollywood and the MSM.

Oooo! HOLLYWOOD! Wow, scary people. - :p

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If you think Hillary Clinton, or any Democrat for that matter, will be easily defeated... - sm

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Then you clearly know nothing about the electoral college and the process of electing the POTUS and shifting demographics.

The fact is, any Democratic candidate has a sizable advantage in 2016 already.

You obviously haven't followed her and aren't - sm

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familiar with any of her accomplishments.

You're wrong. She's NOBODY's "puppet". - Which is why I think Warren would - sm

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actually do our country the most good by not even bothering with running for Corporate Puppet of the United States. Let some hack do it. She can do more good when she's in a position to speak her mind, and not be gagged by dirty Monsanto, BofA and Wall Street money.

I'm betting Hillary will stumble & fall into a hole! - nm

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:-)

Hope so.. She has not a genuine bone in her body - nm

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nm

Like every Republican candidate that's been run - for the past 16+ years?

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Clown Alley.

Yes, just LIKE every TPub candidate that's (sm) - Democrat

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been run for the past 16+ years!

If you don't like liars, you need to - sm

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stop voting at all because all politicians are in the business of lying or stretching and spinning the truth. If you don't like liars, you need to get over Elizabeth Warren for 2016. I won't list all the reasons why here, but I'll give you three of them.

(1) She lied about who she was at her very core when she claimed she was Native American. If Hillary "lying" about being "broke" when the Clintons left the White House bothers you when they had millions of dollars of legal debt to pay off, then perhaps Elizabeth Warren self identifying as a woman of color and a minority might warrant a small blip on the lie detector issue.

(2) She is NOT running (and, no, it doesn't have anything to do with the Clintons making her not run).

(3) Even if she was running, Hillary would win the nomination before Elizabeth Warren would.

Yes, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
Yes, of course you don't care what I think.
Yes, I don't know you.
and
No, I can't predict the future.

***BUT***

It's actually not out of the realm of possibility that the Democratic nominee will be neither Hillary Clinton nor Elizabeth Warren. Let that idea take root in your mind because you continue to post as if the only candidates are those two women, which is fine if you want to continue to seem obtuse about the issue.

LOVE YOUR POST!!!! - Extremely well written.

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Thank you for bringing some sanity to the table!

Okay, then. Who are the MALES who are - sm

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contemplating running for President.

I've seen all the nitwits on the right, but I want to know the liberal MALES who have expressed a desire to run.

Bernie Sanders - nm

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:-)

Actually, HE was the one male that I - sm

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had referred to when I said I didn't want to mention his name.

I just wasn't in the mood to get slammed and called all kinds of names from the right.

A Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren ticket? They'd get my vote in a heartbeat!

I'm a conservative. - Poster to whom you responded.

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I would not vote for him, but I've heard his name bandied about lately. I don't think he's a bad person per se. He's just a socialist and I'm not into socialism. America is not about socialism. We are not the USSA.

He is FOR all the people that the TPubs - sm

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are AGAINST!

He wants to investigate Wall Street.

He co-sponsored the bill to help the veterans of this country.

He DOESN'T want to take Social Security benefits away from the people who have worked all their lives.

He wants safe and clean drinking water.

He understands the science behind climate change and wants to try to save the planet.

He WANTS to help the poor.

There were already many socialistic aspects to our democracy, for the good of the PEOPLE. However, now that we live in a country run by Wall Street and all the greedy people/corporations, those safeguards aren't promised UNLESS someone like Bernie Sanders is the President!

He'd never really be able to get the funds to make a serious run for it. - Why?

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See your list above.

We live in a country run by Wall Street, but that fact is NOT anything new whatsoever. The people with the money will always make the rules. I promise you that this fact will never change. What might change is what the people with the money decide they want.

There are a lot of extremely rich liberals.
There are a lot of extremely rich conservatives.

There's just the political dance every 4 years.

The country has been in a huge shift to the left for awhile, winning the popular vote in the last 5 out of 6 elections. The demographics lean heavily Democratic in the 2016 electoral college.

Why? Because New York and California are in the bag. Virginia is tilting left, and Virginia is a very good barometer for the nation (Missouri used to be, now it's Virginia).

My prediction for 2016: If Hillary runs: Hillary Clinton/Hispanic male like Julian or Joaquin Castro

Texas is never in play. That ticket would put Texas into play and make the Pubs spend lots of money there to defend it. Did you notice how the choices for the Pub convention were narrowed down to Dallas and Cleveland? There's a reason for that! The Republicans really have to win Ohio to win the presidency (the Democrats do not), and they're worried about having to defend Texas in 2016. If Texas flips, the Republican party as we know it today will cease to exist. They don't want Texas even in play, so I'm thinking we're going to see our first Latino candidate as a huge possibility. We'll see.

If Hillary doesn't run: No idea!

:)

This tells me candidates that are NOT for - liberty, free markets, and

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Constitution are appealing some American voters.

In other times and with a better educated population, Sanders would be ignored as a nut. However, the left is convinced they now control the nation. They control the education system, national gov’t, and the large media organizations. It is a clear road ahead with no opposition or problems. Therefore, an extremist like Sanders sees big opportunity ahead.

Sanders wants to go from state to national politics. He wants to become a national socialist. He touts democracy so that makes his banner the national democratic socialist. He claims democracy works for all the people, making his cause the national democratic socialist workers cause. In NYS, there is the Working Families Party, which would line up for Sanders. It is all coming together. Let’s see, all he needs is a name for his new, national ambitions — a new party name. Hmmmm, what might be a good name? National Socialist Democratic Workers something?

Socialist my butt, that man is a bonafide - communist, not that that

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means anything anymore.

Class warfare is alive and well. People now believe - that wealth would automatically

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come to them if some other wealthy slob was not holding them back. It doesn’t even occur to them that value is created, and their personal compensation might in some way depend upon their personal productivity.

Not really true actually. That is just what they want you to believe.... - sm

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Inside the conservative political bubble. MOST people do not agree with that, but there are those types in both parties.

The people who blame George Soros are alive and well on this board, but for some reason they recognize traits in others that they possess themselves but fail to correlate--cognitive dissonance. They like their rich benefactors, just blame the other party's rich benefactors. It goes both ways too for both parties.

Spoken like a true corporate elitist. I'll bet you - actually believe in trickle-down economics, too!

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nm

The problem is the Dem. Party shifted to the far left - progressive/socialist side,

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now they crave power and not to help the working man. Why else would they undercut union jobs by bringing in illegal cheap labor?

Thank you! - YOU NAILED IT!!!

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I don't expect them to realize it though. They're too deeply entrenched.

"Nailed" nothing, except narrow-mindedness. - They think that if they - sm

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attach the buzzword "socialist" to anything they don't like, or which scares them, that it somehow makes them right. Or more intelligent. Or more holy. Or all of the above.

The Pub & Dem parties are BOTH owned and - operated by the same CORPORATIONS.

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They run two sides so they can control both political sides of America, thus controlling us ALL.

We're fools if we believe for even one minute that Presidents, Congressmen, or Senators really work for US anymore, regardless of which party they're affiliated with. You'll notice that whichever side is in "control", the results are always pretty much the same.

Thank you, Corporate America, for scr*wing us all equally!

With Sanders, people won't die on the streets. - sm

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I DO think the name "National Democratic Workers," since he is in favor of American workers being given a break, instead of getting poorer and poorer, like the TRepubs want.

You DO realize that there are certain parts of our republic that have contained socialism for a long time, don't you?

That's what people said about Obama. Everything - is Pleasantville, right? nm

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xx

And if one of those T-Pub imbeciles wins, - things will just be oh-so-peachy. Right?

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nmsg

The world is in chaos and someone mentioned - global warming doomage,

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junk science.

You frighten me. - nm

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:-(

People who don't believe in science are funny. - (sm)

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They seem to believe in going to the doctor for antibiotics when they're sick. Or driving a car with an internal combustion engine (or an electric one).

Most I would imagine will check the weather report before they head out the door. Maybe they should stop doing that. Meteorology IS a science, after all.

They likely use Google Earth to check out the location of somewhere they want to go (to shop, to buy a house, to go for a bike ride, etc.), and I guess they don't realize that the satellite images they're zooming in on are the result of the science that created them. Or worse, the science that made us even aware that there is an outer space.

If they own a purebred pet, they have to believe at least somewhat in the science of GENETICS, because that is how their little pet's lovable characteristics were created over time.

And yet they deny the science of genetics and the laws of natural selection when it comes to human evolution. What rock did these fools crawl out from under?

Is this the same science that tells us pedophilia is - normal behavior for males,

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or the AMA says gender is imaginary?

^What a pathetic lack of intelligence. - Oy vey

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.

Yes, all those things, but they are actually - sm

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allowed to vote, too. And the destruction of this entire PLANET will be of THEIR doing!

Even less advanced countries acknowledge climate change.

I really like your post, though. You nailed it!

I didn't have to ask who the "Democrat" was because I already knew. - OP of this thread branch

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I pay attention to people's posts, and I've been reading this board a very long time, and although you don't use a moniker, you really don't need to. I agree with 97% of your posts, just not the scathing posts against fellow Democrats.

FYI: Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat; he is an Independent, but he does caucus with Democrats.

Now to answer your question:

Democrats Contemplating Running
Hillary Clinton
Joe Biden
Amy Klobuchar
Martin O'Malley
Mark Warner
Kirsten Gillibrand
Brian Schweitzer
Andrew Cuomo (iffy now)

***Elizabeth Warren--not running but mainly Republican pundits trying to praise her and draft her as a female substitute because:
(1) they want Democrats infighting like they are, and
(2) they'd rather run against her than Hillary. Republicans in many states voted for BO in primaries because they wanted to face him versus Hillary, thinking he'd never win. They'd do the same (if necessary) to avoid Hillary again.

Independents
Donald Trump (as usual, hot air)
Bernie Sanders (not really likely to run actually, just make noise)

:)

I have NEVER posted... - sm

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"scathing posts against fellow Democrats." Not ONCE.

I may disagree with one or two things the Dems believe, but I would never write a post AGAINST them, since I AM one.

Please provide an example of something you think I wrote that was "scathing posts against fellow Democrats," and I'll tell you if I wrote it.

There are other "sm" and "nm" posters on this board, ya know. :-)

P.S. I went through my posts and found one where - sm

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I "agreed 100%" with a clear Democrat hater, who was talking about "pandering."

I edited that post because although I did agree with her on the issue, I did NOT intend to agree with her description of Democrats.

Please know that was an oversight on my part, and I apologize for that, and I fixed it.

I'm used to a LOT of people hating me on this board because there are one or two issues that I simply disagree with Democrats about. So when I post pro-Democratic posts, I'm "disliked" and jumped on by the TPubs, and when I post something that I agree with the Tpubs on, I'm disliked by the Democrats.

Believe ME, it makes me want to throw up when I actually AGREE with a TPub!

Again, please copy and paste the posts that you think I wrote that were "scathing" to Democrats, and if they are, I will fix them.

If it's just a disagreement, that's not "scathing," in my opinion.

I've come to ignore the attacks of the TPubs on this board, and I literally didn't even SEE the attack in the post I edited because I was agreeing with the ISSUE.

I am just now seeing your request. - sm

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If I remember correctly, it was only 1 or 2 posts that criticized Hillary and called her a hawk and praised Warren, maybe not so "scathing."

Maybe they weren't your posts and I just incorrectly thought they were yours.

:)

Except Warren's name should be on top. - Jess Sayin

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nm

I think he's older than Warren (could be wrong). - sm

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But if he is, I think his name should be on top, so she can just slide from her VP role into the President's role should anything happen (God forbid!) to him.

And that's the ONLY reason I think he should be on top. If she is older than he is, then SHE should be on top.

Except we NEED younger people running this country. - The old farts are ruining it.

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I don't really care who wins, anymore. They're - all just corporate puppets.

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Either way, we working folks are screwed.

You don't change that by not voting though - we have to try at least

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What gets me is the people who say, "Well, we gave ___ a chance and things are not better, so let's try something new." Really?

Simplistic conclusions do not work with our current form of govt. Look what happened to the Supreme Court with conservatism. The guys on there who keep voting for things like Citizens United and Hobby Lobby are real corporatists and in bed with the big corporations, so no matter how much you love your guns and your bibles, we now have a Supreme Court who are making laws which help the rich get richer, victimize the poor and those not religious, and appear to be anti-science, which is certainly NOT what our founding fathers intended.

ALEC is a (non-profit!) organization which writes boilerplate laws, hands them over to our elected officials with a bunch of cash to make them happy and get them reelected, and voila we are already having most of our laws written by corporations and their lobbyists.

It is important to have much GREATER transparency about the money in politics, not LESS. It should be important to make it easier for any one of us to run for congress or senate, but who has a million dollars, and who can afford to give it to you, and then who will you owe? Not what this country is supposed to be about.

So yes, we are screwed right now, but how long can they keep voting against the will of the people and get away with it? Gun control is favored by the majority, gets no laws to stop the massacres. Access to health care is being blocked by those governors who turn down Medicaid for the poorest among us. That is just selfish ideology. Minimum wage increase is necessary AND even Republican voters want this. Tough on us.

We have to at least try to change this and vote.

I didn't say I'm not voting; I said I just don't really - care who wins anymore, because - sm

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it won't have that much affect on the overall outcome of what direction the U.S. is headed. That outcome is controlled by big business, NOT by a political puppet. He or she may be dancing and singing, but Wall Street is pulling the strings.

Would you please provide a link to support - sm

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your allegation that President Obama "micromanaged" her when she was Secretary of State?

She seemed pretty assertive, IMHO.

Jimmy Carter created more Republicans than any - RNC chairman in history,

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let’s see if Obama can break his record in that, too.

I bet he will, but not those on this board. - sm

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They're too fixed in their delusions.

No, I think Reagan created more DEMOCRATS - than any DNC chairman in history.

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He turned the tide that began to turn America into one big soul-sucking VACUUM when it comes to equality.

I'm a Reagan Democrat because I liked his message. - sm

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I turned Republican for just the opposite of what you may believe. Ronald Reagan turned around my thinking 100% on many, many fronts and I'm proud to say I've never looked back. You can write back and flame me, but I won't be responding as I'm signing off. Have a good weekend.

I didn't like his message. I guess it's cuz I - saw thru the smoke & mirrors.

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nm

I wasn't smart enough to see thru the smoke - sm

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and mirrors, but after I lost my job BECAUSE of him, I abandoned my Republican status, turned to Independent, and have been voting Democratic in every election.

I moved to a new state and it's time for me to register to vote. This time, I will register as a Democrat.

Moderate Republicans like her too - nm - Moderate Republican

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Looks like the liberal progressives are imploding. - sm

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In addition, they've got all that dishonesty to tackle. Good luck with that.

The problem is, nobody cares as long as they beat - their opponents. This is the

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world we live in now. It all ties in with the decline of the Western morals as posted above. Truth, honestly, integrity, who has that anymore of either party?

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While Obama Was Raising Huge Sums For His Reelection Campaign the other night…- 61,000 Americans Gave Up Looking For Work;- 545,000 More Americans Became Unemployed; and - $91 Billion added to the National Debt. Nobama '12 ...

Apr 06, 2010
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/03/25/ted.sam.harris/index.html ...

Aug 10, 2010
Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life, or a single cubit to his height? And why do you worry about clothes? See how th ...

Jun 02, 2010
I am a conservative person and yet I understand the desire some haveto provide food, shelter, and health care for those less fortunate.However, the problem arises when we have so many people who abusethe system. We have people who would rather collect unemployment ora welfare check then work a menial job. We have people who collectgov't assistance and use this money to contribute to their addictionto drugs and/or alcohol. We have too many people desiring a handout and if w ...

Aug 01, 2012
Been dating this guy 7 months. Everything going great until recently when he told me a couple "white lies." These were very insignificant, but still lies. Let it go. I complained to him that after about 5 months, the honeymoon was over. We do not "date" anymore, even though we can both afford it. I don't want to sound needy, but everything else seems to come before me, and we started spending less and less time together. We discussed "pre-marital co ...

Sep 15, 2012
A lot of long-time MTs are middle-aged. A lot of MTs would love to leave their MTSO jobs if they could find a better job in their community. A lot of job-seekers are discouraged because they get little or no response on job apps with other employers. A lot of age discrimination can happen discreetly, by either noting your "25 years" of experience at your last job (if not just by looking at you if you DO get called for an interview). I've been told that one reason e ...

Dec 07, 2012
but great interview with Hannity yesterday. ...