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Posted: Dec 27, 2012
I am not advocating this or any other side...just throwing this out there for some intellectual thoughts and nothing more...no right wing, left wing, tea baggers, etc. just found it interesting.
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Pretty true. Since 2007, though, a number of studies - are underway in the U.S. alone. I
[ In Reply To ..]listened to one of the researchers discuss his work on PBS one morning. It's very interesting, but you realize that all the nation's experts and all the nation's studies will never come up with "a why" or "a cause," much less "a solution" to these things, just recommendations for various actions that can be taken because their effectiveness may justify their costs, not just monetarily but in some cases potentially in our rights and lifestyles.
My mother and I were discussing that 1927 incident last week. - grits
[ In Reply To ..]We came to the same conclusion, which is to say there is no conclusion to be drawn, not yet and maybe not ever.
Very good post - Fanatical Hypocrite
[ In Reply To ..]I see so many studies on so many subjects where it is so clear that the researchers had their destination in mind when they started. Some lean left, some lean right and some studies are politically neutral yet no less biased. The subjective nature of the universe and our desire for order gives rise to confirmation bias. This problem has been made worse in recent years by the growing influence of corporate money on science.
While I believe certain factors that contribute to violence, such as child abuse and neglect, poverty, poor access to and mismanagement by mental health providers, disenfranchisement, and social injustice, can be alleviated to some degree and thus lower total violence in our society, the true cause of violence is our humanity. People have always been violent. I don't know if that will ever change or if we'd even want it to. For all the problems caused by the human heart, all the "negative" emotions that arise from our psyches, I resist tinkering too much with our minds.
When I was younger my doctor put me on the very new drug Paxil because I was depressed. In hindsight, I had a much more widespread illness called puberty. Later, of course, they realized that Paxil increased the chance of suicide in teenagers. My very trying experience with pharmaceuticals in my youth left me with a pro-humanity stance. So now I still get depressed sometimes. But then again life is depressing sometimes. At least in my case, I don't feel I'm particularly diseased;)
50,000 years ago humanity had no electronics or books or anything but stories and the most basic tools and we were killing each other then. Since the invention of violent T.V., movies and games, violence has gone down. The news upped their coverage of violence by several magnitudes and violent crimes went down. Decades ago my mom and her best friend would run through the woods pretending to be cops and robbers shooting each other down with plastic pop guns. Was it because Bonanza had desensitized them to violence or because children have been doing some variation of that since the dawn of time? Watch puppies or kittens or the babies of any carnivore or omnivore play and see them acting out their genetic imperative for predator and prey.
Regardless of the choice of weapon, killers are hurt and scared individuals. The more children and adults we keep from feeling like they have no way out except death or no way to right the wrongs done to them except murder, the less killers we have on the streets. Beyond that, there's not too much we can do.
^ This. So much. - grits
[ In Reply To ..]You really do have a way of getting to the heart of the topic.
Thanks:) - I'm a big fan of your posts too nm - Fanatical Hypocrite
[ In Reply To ..]nm
but as long as we have mentally ill people out - amongst society, this will continue.
[ In Reply To ..]For example, I have a relative with paranoid schizophrenia. She can and has been a danger to herself and others throughout most of her adulthood. When she is on her meds, she is not. Almost ALL of these patients will eventually discontinue their meds on their own, thinking they are "cured". In my town, they had a mental health program where someone would check her daily at her apartment to witness her taking her meds. Due to budget cuts, the program was cancelled. Within a couple of months, she was calling police claiming someone was trying to break in to rape her... "God" told her this. They had to talk her out of holding a knife and force her back to the mental hospital. Just another example where a budget cut has put people in danger. What is more important than being surrounded by mentally sane people?!!
It is very difficult to figure out - Fanatical Hypocrite
[ In Reply To ..]exactly what to do about mental illness. My father refused to admit there was anything wrong and his paranoia kept him from seeking treatment. So he spent most of his life drinking beer and coffee and chain smoking on our back porch while he screamed at the trees in our woods. Trees it would seem are very uncivil and argumentative despite their deceptively calm exteriors.
I'm very sorry to hear that your relative is so delusional. As hard as it is for the mentally ill, it is often equally hard on the friends and family.
Your comments about the budget cuts are dead on. My entire county's behavioral health services budget was cut, so we barely offer anything to anyone. Also, without being able to force them to stay on a necessary regimen they usually go off whenever they want.
I do, however, believe that while genetics determine which way a person will lean, it is environment and parentage that determines which way we fall the majority of the time. I believe that through abuse prevention, intervention and after the fact early counseling we can reduce the number of mentally ill people and the severity of the illness.
Just as I realize an end to violence is unrealistic, I know that an end to child abuse is near impossible too, but we have to try.
I wish you and your family well and that your relative finds a treatment that works for her and stays on it (though I know from friends and family with schizophrenia how difficult and rare that is.)
I think cutting funds for mental health treatment - was indefensible SM
[ In Reply To ..]Many years ago, I used to go to a facility right down the street that billed on a sliding scale basis. The place was always busy when I was there. Then poof..funding was cut and it was forced to close its doors. I know there are many families who know someone in their family needs help but simply cannot afford it. The politics in this country is so screwed up. I just don't know how it can change when most politicians are bought and sold for money and power. I suppose if we want issues such as this addressed and dealt with, it is on us to vote out those who don't understand the meaning of being a "public servant".
well said - but I don't necessarily
[ In Reply To ..]feel that voting out and voting in another is the answer either, as it seems that these days you throw out the trash and another bag of it comes right back in. The entire govt needs to be "restructured" so that buying and selling for money and power is just not an option. How that can be "addressed", I am not sure, but that would help immensely in getting this nation back on track. JMO.
that is a logical blunder - sm
[ In Reply To ..]most mentally ill people do not commit violent crimes. It's a huge leap to suggest that militarizing school zones is the answer to serious mental illness.
Agree with caring for the mentally ill. We have to - accept, tho, that sane people can do evil
[ In Reply To ..]deeds. Once again, most of these mass killings are committed by people who are not diagnosably mentally ill except for depression, which is apparently pretty common in them.
They may have personality disorders, but there's a reason those're called disorders and not illnesses. They are variations from normal and are extremely common, diagnosed not in people behaving "that" way but in those behaving "that" way strongly enough to adversely affect their functioning in society.
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