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Food for Thought on the Immigration Ban

Posted: Mar 17, 2017

Did anyone read it? i did. Liberals and Trump haters are saying it's a Muslim ban. IT IS NOT. The word Muslim was never mentioned in the EO i read. It explained the reasons very well for why the government wanted the ban on those countries. Don't forget Obama also did a similar thing in 2011. The difference between Obama's EO and Trump's EO is Obama didn't say anything about it. It was a secret. Trump spoke out about it. That's the ONLY difference.

So the blocks on the EO's are racist attacks on the administration. I don't want this country to wind up like Germany or France. What is wrong with this temporary ban? NOTHING. Except that the man in Hawaii who brought suit so the court blocked it was because the man wanted his MIL to come for a visit. She was approved during Obama's term in office but was DENIED entry because she wasn't granted a visa. His MIL was approved for a visa but never made a move to come here for the visit. Now the guy is blaming Trump even though his MIL hasn't come here since 2005 and doesn't really act like she wants to come now.

Remember, the banned countries also have OTHER religions living there, including Christians and they were among the ones also included if they were nationals/citizens of one of the countries to be banned.

Part of the ban is the following:

Specifically, the suspension applied to countries referred to in, or designated under, section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), in which Congress restricted use of the Visa Waiver Program for nationals of, and aliens recently present in, (A) Iraq or Syria, (B) any country designated by the Secretary of State as a state sponsor of terrorism (currently Iran, Syria, and Sudan), and (C) any other country designated as a country of concern by the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence. In 2016, the Secretary of Homeland Security designated Libya, Somalia, and Yemen as additional countries of concern for travel purposes, based on consideration of three statutory factors related to terrorism and national security: "(I) whether the presence of an alien in the country or area increases the likelihood that the alien is a credible threat to the national security of the United States; (II) whether a foreign terrorist organization has a significant presence in the country or area; and (III) whether the country or area is a safe haven for terrorists." 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12)(D)(ii). Additionally, Members of Congress have expressed concerns about screening and vetting procedures following recent terrorist attacks in this country and in Europe.

This suspension was only for 120 days as said before. PLUS, he permitted the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Homeland Security to jointly grant case-by-case waivers when they determined that it was in the national interest to do so.

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We have a court/law process. That is our democracy. - 120 days

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I am assuming that since the Trump administration is running like a finely tuned machine, he will have this figured out shortly and not need the ban. The suspension was for 120 days--just 64 days to go since Trump became president and this order will not be necessary anymore-- if Donald is on top of things.

This is a constitutional republic - not a democracy

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That's one reason the statists get so exercised over the Electoral College.

Also, all Federal Courts below the Supreme Court are - creations of Congress. What is

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created by Congress can be uncreated by Congress.

The only Court Created by the Constitution was the Supremes, lower courts were not.

I believe we are nearly a constitutional crisis, - with the judicial branch overreaching

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its constitutional authority. The judicial branch is supposed to rule out constitutionality, not impose his/her personal politics into something.

I actually heard the judge say this ban would hurt Hawaii's vacation trade!

Maybe Trump should just ignore the judge like Obama did numerous times, including the moratorium on oil drilling.

A Navy Seal was on Fox yesterday and I agree with his view - that Trump should send all the Syrians to

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Hawaii and lets see what happens to the Island’s tourism. The Seal pointed out that its easy for a Judge in Hawaii which has almost no Muslims from Syria residing there.

I like his thinking, that only when the citizens have to ponder the risks in having unvetted Muslims from countries with histories of terrorism will they understand Trump is protecting Americans.

The Hawaii state Senate does not currently have ANY Republicans. The state House of Representatives has 45 Democrats and 6 Republicans. President Trump received 30% of the vote in Hawaii, the lowest of any of the 50 states.

Hawaii is a one-party state.

There is a picture of Obama dining with the judge who - ruled on the immigration ban from

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March 15. It was posted via the judge's Twitter account.

Seems 0bama still has his pen and his phone.......

What a small world. Nothing like a "fair-minded judge" and the appearance of impartiality.

The judge who halted Trump's revised ban was in Obama's - IMPEACH THE JUDGE

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class at Harvard.

Obama came and took him out to dinner to get this ruling. They graduated together at HAAHvurd. The restaurant has them pictured together on their Facebook page.

Impeach the judge.

Please release the taped - sm

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conversation Obama and the judge had at dinner since you were obviously there and heard the whole thing. LOL impeach the judge. Now that is something trump would say to divert the attention from himself. How DARE the judge follow the constitution, something the don doesn't.

FYI, the judge is not following the constitution. He is - overstepping his judicial limitations.

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This article from - sm

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the NY Times explains the situation. I understand the judges from Hawaii and Maryland.

That is exactly what Trump tweeted. That is - okay, he doesn't know

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the constitution anyway. Actually, it is Trump who made his ban about Muslims. If he hadn't ran his mouth through his whole campaign about banning Muslims from coming here, he might not be facing such criticism. Those late night tweets and campaign speeches showed his true intentions so no matter how he words his ban, it's about Muslims.

Good idea. I'll contact Judicial Watch to request any - meetings, telephone conversations, etc.

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between Obama and this judge. It stinks to high heaven that Obama makes an unannounced visit to Hawaii just before the ruling.

Only to those - sm

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who want it to "stink to high heaven". Doesn't it also stink to high heaven that 7 Russian officials have died since trump has been elected? Hmmmm.

Obama is a private citizen now. All of his travel is "unannounced" - hawtmk

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Just like when Bill Clinton met with AG Lynch on the tarmac - to discuss their "grandkids"

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but she doesn't have any grandkids.

Both are boneheads.

Our courts are being threatened by judges who put - their own moral preferences above the

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authority of the Constitution.

What we have now is judicial activism, choosing to put the results of laws above their constitutional process.

I remember a federal judge recently saying voters have - no say in how their tax dollars

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are spent!

The plaintiff behind the travel ban runs a Muslim - Brotherhood mosque. The irony

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here is too hard to miss. Just when you think it cannot get any crazier, it starts again.

Was it Jesse Ventura? - Short of a full deck - nm

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There are many reasons - Resist Trump

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why Trump's policies are not protecting anyone. Immigrants entering this country are thoroughly vetted.

The fed gov requiring people to purchase a specific service - (Obamacare) heavily regulated

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by the fed gov is not constitutional either. We are 180 degrees away from our founding.

Chief Justice Roberts said it was constitutional, so... - hawkmt

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Essentially making the Supreme Court now able to pass a tax - which is unconstitutional. Taxes

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can only be done by the House.

Alan Dershowitz was talking about this and said judges - will be going after Trump simply because

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Trump makes fun of them.

He also said it will be an important decision because it will be the first time a court has really handled political statements during a campaign and be used to strike down a constitutional statute.

The idea a ruling can even consider campaign rhetoric is just outrageous.

Read "Men in Black" - analyzes this beautifully

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On top of that, non-citizens don't have constitutional - rights. That's something that everyone

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seems to be forgetting.

The line needs to be drawn that a lower court constitutionally does not have the authority to make a nationwide ruling or the authority to reverse an executive action of the President of the U.S.

Interesting that Obama met with this judge a couple of days before the ruling, isn't it?

“The Hawaii judge’s decision says he has a First Amendment constitutional right to do so because he’s Muslim. It was one of the most extraordinary interpretations of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment ever given."

The law is not subject to the interpretation of men/women. - That makes it not the rule of law, but the

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rule of men/women.

that is demonstrably false - hawtmk

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Of course laws are subject to the interpretation by men/women. Who do you think WROTE the laws?

The judicial branch of our government is tasked with INTERPRETING THE LAWS. That is their main job.

Interpreting but not writing law, as they did with Obamacare. - Obama ignored judges who ruled against

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HIM, so maybe Trump should do the same.

If this judge is giving rights to noncitizens, then think about what that means...

For example, if Japan starts a war with us we cannot put a travel ban on Japan because the country is mostly Japanese and that would be discriminatory against people of Japanese descent. This is using this judge's logic.

Since when where judges allowed to regulate foreign - policy, a presidential prerogative

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defined in both law and the U.S. Constitution

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