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'Death Panels' Debate Returns To Congress: Congressman Building Support For Proposal
Posted: Apr 29, 2010
The House health care provision that Sarah Palin warned would lead to "death panels" never made it into the final bill, but its backers plan to resuscitate it.
Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.), who shepherded the amendment through the Ways and Means Committee, is building House support for stand-alone passage of the legislation that would allow Medicare to reimburse health care providers for consulting with patients about end-of-life decisions.
Palin's charge that the effort amounted to a "death panel" was either a lie, willfully ignorant fear mongering, or genuine confusion. Regardless, it was false. Palin herself signed a proclamation celebrating Healthcare Decisions Day during her stint as Alaska's governor. The purpose was to "raise public awareness of the need to plan ahead for health care decisions, related to end of life care and medical decision-making whenever patients are unable to speak for themselves and to encourage the specific use of advance directives to communicate these important health care decisions."
Blumenauer hopes a common-sense, civil dialogue will meet his proposal -- which passed the House last year -- this time around.
"Before this got hijacked by Sarah Palin and others' talking points, it was actually bipartisan in nature," Blumenauer said. (His comments were first reported Wednesday evening in the newsletter HuffPost Hill).
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/29/death-panels-debate-retur_n_556997.html
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[ In Reply To ..]Peter Orszag Explains
http://dancleary.typepad.com/dan_cleary/2010/04/peter-orszag-explains-the-mechanics-fiscal-benefits-of-obamacares-death-panel.html
When discussing health care... - sm
[ In Reply To ..]commom sense often goes out the window.
It is true that this bill doesn't encourage people to die, nor does it allow doctors to euthanize anyone. However, there will be some rationing of health care and that will lead to older people with some health problems not getting the care they need because they are gonna have to find a way to cut money somewhere.
I've heard nothing but BS about this bill saving money and that is just stupid to say. People who don't have insurance don't go to the doctor unless they have to. People who do have insurance where everything is paid for...go for sniffles and paper cuts. Mark my words....the cost of health care will go up....not down. They will have to cut costs somewhere and the old people will feel the brunt of that. Common sense people....seriously.
NEVER BEEN SAID BETTER...kudos to you!! - nnn
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Think again....you didn't take into consideration all the folks who - do have insurance
[ In Reply To ..]and don't go to the doctor unless they have to. Not saying this is a good practice, but your notion that people will run to the doctor "for a paper cut" is completely ridiculous.
Once again...no common sense. - nm
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It takes common sense to know when someone isn't using common sense - so...your post is meaningless
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Obviously I'm a moron then, huh? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Sadly, we will see who is right in the end. Be prepared for an "I told you so" dance in the future.
Obviously my example of going to the doctor for a paper cut was extreme. However, people who have insurance with no costs to them will go to the doctor for anything and everything.
The people who have insurance and don't go....are the ones who have a huge deductible and only go when they have to because they know they will have to pay a few thousand out of pocket first before insurance even covers anything.
Obamacare will be great for preventative care. Just watch out when you get sick and or need something replaced as you get older. Those knee and hip replacements that you can get done now....will be considered not necessary and therefore many will have to suffer with continued pain instead of getting a replacement. Those people who end up getting seriously ill will soon find out that our govt will find it cheaper to not give them a medicine that will prolong their life and just let them go regardless of whether the patient wants that medicine or not. There will be rationing of care. There will be fewer doctors in the future. But hey...our taxes will go up...that should make ya feel good.
Just take a look at Massachusetts. Mitt Romney pushed for healthcare in his state and look what it has done....the healthcare costs are through the roof and that state had to borrow money from our govt to pay for it. Where are we gonna borrow money when Obamacare makes healthcare costs skyrocket. I doubt china will want to give us more.
Why don't you read about the Mass plan, the differences between - it and
[ In Reply To ..]HCR, and how the system was gamed. The problems with the Mass system are not being overlooked.
Also, I would really love to know where you came up with the information that the system went broke because more people went to the doctor for every little thing.
Where are you coming up with your predictions in general? It sounds like you've not taken all "predictions" into consideration nor have you truly studied the Mass. plan.
Government interference in healthcare - is the cause of this mess.
[ In Reply To ..]The solution, therefore, is not more governmental control, whether via nationalized medical insurance or a government takeover of medicine.
Health insurance costs so much today because the government, on the premise that there exists a “right” to health care at someone else’s expense, has promised Americans a free lunch. When a person can consume medical services without needing to consider how to pay for them—Medicare, Medicaid, or the individual’s employer will foot the bill—demand skyrockets. The $2,000 elective liver test he or she would have forgone in favor of a better place to live suddenly becomes a necessity when its cost seems to add up to $0.
As the expense of providing “free” health care erupts accordingly, the government tries to control costs by clamping down on the providers of health care. A massive net of regulations descends on doctors, nurses, insurers, and drug companies. As more of their endeavors are rendered unprofitable, drug companies produce fewer drugs, and insurers limit their policies or exit the industry.
We've already read this and it is nothing more than another - chicken little prediction
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Answer me this then.... - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Most countries and/or states who provide healthcare for all...historically the costs go up. So explain to me and my chicken little brain here....how is this going to be any different? You say I'm yelling the sky is falling when I say costs will go up...like it has with other universal health care programs. Show me proof that you are right in your optimistic viewpoint of Obamacare....or is it that you are just mesmerized by the lies of this administration?
Since you are referring to HCR as universal health care, I will just recommend that you - do some more reading
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And again you refuse to answer my question. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Since you obviously think I know nothing and you have all the answers...give them to me. Where is your evidence to support that costs will go down and not up or that care will NOT be rationed. If I'm so dumb, educate me. If you can't answer these questions, it is not I who needs to read up on things.
Listen, I didn't say costs will go down, as a matter of fact - I do not doubt
[ In Reply To ..]they will go up until HCR is fully implemented. The public option would have been the answer to that; however, the republicans made sure the insurance companies would not have to compete with a public option.
HCR will take a few years to show all benefits and now that it is law, it can be fine-tuned. It is not what would have been best as in a single-payer system, or with a public option, but at least it's a start.
Now, it is not my responsibility to educate you on HCR, but I will say it is not universal health care and your predictions are borrowed. Try reading some from all sources you can find. It takes a while to get the whole picture.
I would think that someone who claims to - sm
[ In Reply To ..]understand Obamacare so fully would be more than happy to "educate" me on the ins and outs of the system. I'm sorry to say but when people tell me it isn't their responsibility to to educate me....well...that just leads me to believe that you don't know yourself and are dodging my question.
If I have Obamacare totally wrong, by all means..share with me your wisdom and show me the error of my ways. I more than welcome the education. ;)
Are you serious? You refuse to do any research on your own and are calling it - universal health care
[ In Reply To ..]and expect anyone to take the time to educate you on what you can find yourself if you look? I'm sorry to say that when people refuse to look anything up and essentially demand that someone educate them, it is laziness. And, it takes a lot of nerve to accuse someone of dodging your question when it has already been answered.
The error of your ways is laziness. If you think it's universal health care for starters, that's a big indicator that it would take quite some time for anyone to educate you. You need to do some reading on your own just to get the basics.
Did you tell your teachers they didn't know anything when they told you to study? What a childish assumption. No wonder you like chicken little stories.
Call me whatever you want but you - sm
[ In Reply To ..]continue to not answer questions....like showing me proof that healthcare will NOT be rationed as health care costs go up. I've done my research and call Obamacare whatever you want...the costs will go up and care will be rationed. If you can't disprove that....than maybe you should research some more instead of calling ME lazy. ;)
Truly sad. - :(
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On this forum... - Charo
[ In Reply To ..]The term "common sense" is a synonym for ignorance and an antonym for intelligence.
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