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11 Facts About the Eric Garner Case the Media Won't Tell You


Posted: Dec 6, 2014

Sources in the mainstream media expressed outrage after a grand jury declined to indict a New York City policeman in the death of Eric Garner, but there are 11 significant facts that many of them have chosen to overlook:

1. There is no doubt that Garner was resisting an arrest for illegally selling untaxed cigarettes. Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik put it succinctly: "You cannot resist arrest. If Eric Garner did not resist arrest, the outcome of this case would have been very different," he told Newsmax. "He wouldn't be dead today.

"Regardless of what the arrest was for, the officers don't have the ability to say, 'Well, this is a minor arrest, so we're just going to ignore you.'"

2. The video of the July 17 incident clearly shows Garner, an African-American, swatting away the arms of a white officer seeking to take him into custody, telling him: "Don't touch me!"

3. Garner, 43, had history of more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980, on charges including assault and grand larceny.

4. At the time of his death, Garner was out on bail after being charged with illegally selling cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession and false impersonation.

5. The chokehold that Patrolman Daniel Pantaleo put on Garner was reported to have contributed to his death. But Garner, who was 6-foot-3 and weighed 350 pounds, suffered from a number of health problems, including heart disease, severe asthma, diabetes, obesity, and sleep apnea. Pantaleo's attorney and police union officials argued that Garner's poor health was the main cause of his death.

6. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later.

7. Much has been made of the fact that the use of chokeholds by police is prohibited in New York City. But officers reportedly still use them. Between 2009 and mid-2014, the Civilian Complaint Review Board received 1,128 chokehold allegations.

Patrick Lynch, president of the New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, said: "It was clear that the officer's intention was to do nothing more than take Mr. Garner into custody as instructed, and that he used the takedown technique that he learned in the academy when Mr. Garner refused."

8. The grand jury began hearing the case on Sept. 29 and did not reach a decision until Wednesday, so there is much testimony that was presented that has not been made public.

9. The 23-member grand jury included nine non-white jurors.

10. In order to find Officer Pantaleo criminally negligent, the grand jury would have had to determine that he knew there was a "substantial risk" that Garner would have died due to the takedown.

11. Less than a month after Garner's death, Ramsey Orta, who shot the much-viewed videotape of the encounter, was indicted on weapons charges. Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25-caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel.

It seems another individual contributed to his own death by not obeying law enforcement orders.

 


Link: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/eric-garner-chokehold-grand-jury-police/2014/12/04/id/611058/?ns_mail_uid=29547219&ns_mail_job=1598386_12062014&s=al&dkt_nbr=t1halapm

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This is just another SICK attempt to blame - a dead man for the EXCESSIVE use of force by the c

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and you should feel ashamed for trying to REFOCUS the legitimate outrage and sorrow most caring people feel about this tragedy.

CAN we NOT support the police while at the same time QUESTIONIONG practices that might have contributed to this man's death?

I think police do HEROIC work and at the same time I KNOW there is profiling all over the place and that is wrong.

PUTTING RACE aside, excessive force has resulted in many many deaths and injuries and there is NO REASON a thinking society can't take a hard look at training practices WITYHOUT condemning ALL POLICE.

But for those who want to point 100% of their fingers AT EITHER the person being detained/arrested OR the cops? Your mind is closed as is your heart and this three weeks before Christmas.

makes me ill.

June Singer - J Sine

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Who will you call when you are in trouble? Who would lay down their life for you every day without question? The police that is who. We need them and we want them, and if you don't break the law there is nothing to fear! 

I think the poster above was very clear about respecting police - nm

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Just FYI, there are parts of the country they - do not come when called

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too dangerous.

About use of force - anonie

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I was for the policeman in Ferguson going free, but this case is so different.

In no way do I think that race played any part except to people fanning the fires and insisting that that was the case.

In this case, I think too much force was used.

I have long thought that so many of these shootings were so uncalled for. Yes, I know a policeman is supposed to watch out for himself, but you know there has to be a way to incapacitate an individual who the police are attempting to take in.

I have wondered why they don't just try taking him down shooting at his legs, but I have been told this is hard to do. Aiming at the torso is the current method most police use.

Still I know of a mentally ill person in our area who was shot to death because he had a knife. There were many police there and seems to me that they could have hit the knife out of his hand and he would still be alive today.

I am not a policeman, but I was married to one. I do understand they are in danger, but when he was one, they did not practice such violent and permanent ways of taking down suspects.

I wish there were a way to do this better.

I do admit that when the police tell you to give up, you had better. Wish both of these men had done that.

You're right, anonie - sm

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I agree, Anonie.

Excessive force unjustified - sm

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These policemen were not defending themselves. If anything, they were just in a hurry? Had to forcibly take him down. He never made much of any moves to "get away" other than human instinct, particularly when that large, it would be uncomfortable to have been tipped, rolled and on your stomach on the pavement. Reflexes to continue to breathe comfortably would have been to try to right himself. As to brushing them off being resisting arrest, I think that constitutes a power trip of the police involved. They just couldn't deal with him DEFYING them whatsoever. Really, do you think he was a particular mental giant. He SELLS LOOSE CIGARETTES on the street.

All that aside, I believe the facts were that he was not actually selling cigarettes that day. The police had not seen him commit a crime. I suspect the store owner called him in before he ever began an illegal activity, which I don't think is legal cause to arrest someone to begin with, unless the store had a restraining order. Haven't heard anything about that.

I don't think the cop meant to cause him harm (he didn't actually kill him), but he committed activities that led to his demise, which he should be held responsible for, as in involuntary manslaughter, once again, at least a trial.

I do believe the events in Ferguson should have garnered a trial and would have liked to have at least seen an unprejudiced and fair presentation to a Grand Jury. The St. Louis prosecutor stinks and that will forever be tainting the Grand Jury decision in Ferguson.

As you addressed, the mentally ill would include Kajeme Powell, who was the cop shooting incident in St. Louis the week after Michael Brown. He obviously was not much of a threat unless he was thought to be one heck of a pocket knife thrower. They "over-killed" him also, and then handcuffed his injured and dying body. (don't know exact time of death).

Boy Tamir Rice with toy guy in Cleveland. Just handled poorly. Cop should never have shot him that quickly. Cop was poorly trained and it is turning out reject from other department within the prior month.

Last night, Los Angeles. Video from police killing someone brandishing a knife, shows how scared these policeman are of policing. They had 6 cops with guns trained on an incapacitated body (as if waiting for the zombie apocalypse that he would rise from the dead), while waiting for him to bleed out from injuries. They then handcuffed him.

These cops are scared. IF they are that scared, they need to find another profession. If they aren't scared and are on power trips, they need to find another profession.

I don't think people are going to put up with this much more.

30 previous arrests, sounds like a good upstanding - citizen to me

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Man on probation at time of his demise. It was against the law to sell the cigarettes like that. People should start learning how to obey laws instead of being thugs.
Oh, forgot, if you have a blemished record - it does not matter if you die
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This one is hard to swallow - nana7
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First of all I didn't know it was illegal to sell individual cigarettes on the street. I smoke and I have had many people ask if they could buy a cigarette from me. Guess I was breaking the law myself.

I don't understand how he was selling untaxed cigarettes. How is that possible? He bought them from somewhere so did he not pay taxes on the cigarettes already?

Why is that an offense they needed to arrest him for? Why not ticket him?

You can hear him more than once on the tape say "I can't breath." The first time he said that they should have stopped what they were doing to help him and call an ambulance.

Even if this man had not died the crime does not fit the punishment of being arrested for selling cigarettes.

I understand that the man should not have resisted arrest and contributed to everything that followed but again if the police would have written a ticket to appear in court none of this would have happened either.

He wasn't on the 10 most wanted list to be treated so hostile.

I agree completely with this protest as long as it stays peaceful.
To add insult to injury they left him unconscious..... - sm
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and not breathing on the sidewalk for almost seven minutes waiting for EMS, no CPR, nothing. I watched the video taken after the police takedown. They acted confused, not sure what they should do. Did they think he was faking? I don't know. I guess CPR was not started until he was finally loaded into the ambulance, too late by then. No oxygen for 10-plus minutes will do that to you. Disgraceful!
Hmm, when you are unconscious that does not - mean not breathing
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From reports he died in the ambulance on the way to the hospital.
If cause of death was compression of the trachea it means - his breathing was cut off. nm
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Would have turned out better for him to - do what the police said, right?
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Once again, I will say I heard from reports he had a heart attack and died IN the ambulance, not on the street. Either way, makes no sense to disobey authority, does it?
No it doesn't, but that does not excuse the actions of the police. - nm
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The cause of death was neck compression, - sm
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which took place on the street. Disobeying authority hasn't been punishable by death since the dark ages.
30 arrests - J Singer
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I could not agree more! 30 arrests, how do you even get into that much trouble without a flagrant disregard for the law.

Stop putting blame on everybody else, and get into reality. Rules are rules, for everyone not just for some.

so what is your point about #7 - Chokehold is prohibited

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but officers still use them. So they are breaking their own rules? And #11 - the guy who shot the video was later indicted on a weapons charge. So? What does that have to do with the fact that he took the video? What?

Cause of death, compression of the trachea, coroner said homicide. - nm

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THIS IS POLTICAL!!!! Does not belong here. - me

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This does not belong on the Gab board. This is about racial politics and people have very strong feelings on it, pro and con. It's not light "gabby" conversation.

I see this continually happening on this board now, particularly from one poster (she who shall not be named.) I am convinced that the moderators are not U.S. citizens and they do not understand how incendiary these types of posts are.

If you want to talk about Eric Garners, here's a wacky idea, put it on the politics board, 'kay?

I agree - mbmt

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This is about politics, and I was surprised that there was nothing on the politics board about the Eric Garner Case.

Moderator moved all the Michael Brown - stuff to Gab Board

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Let us allow the moderators - ProMT

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to do their job. Again, I will repeat what has already been written. The moderators have moved comments on Brown, Garner, etc., to the Gab Board. If it bothers you, please address the moderators, not the posters. Thank you.

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