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Posted: May 4, 2012
Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), chairman of the House Oversight Committee, is preparing contempt of Congress charges against Attorney General Eric Holder for his failure to cooperate fully with the investigation into Operation Fast and Furious, the Obama Administration’s deadly gun-running program. Warnings were issued, deadlines have passed, and it’s just about “go time.”
To this end, Issa has prepared an extensive staff briefing on the case, along with a draft of Holder’s contempt citation. A press release from the House Oversight Committee says the briefing paper “explains what happened in Operation Fast and Furious, the hardships faced by the family of fallen Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in getting truthful answers about his death, how agents who blew the whistle on the reckless operation have faced retaliation, and the carnage in Mexico that Fast and Furious has helped fuel.”
Among the lowlights of this paper are the ATF’s discovery that two of the top ostensible “targets” for the operation that pumped thousands of American guns into the hands of Mexican cartel killers were actually FBI informants; Holder’s failure to provide documents in 12 of the 22 categories set forth in House subpoenas; the stone walls thrown before Agent Terry’s family as they investigate his death; an ATF whistleblower whose career was ruined on the pretext of punishing him for downloading $8 worth of applications to his smartphone; the appearance of Fast and Furious guns at crime scenes across Mexico, including the murder of a state Attorney General’s brother; and the dismaying decision of Patrick Cunningham, criminal division chief of the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Arizona, to take the Fifth instead of testifying before Issa’s committee.
At 44 pages in length, Issa’s briefing paper is one of the most comprehensive summaries of the Fast and Furious scandal you can read online. Issa appeared on Fox News this morning to discuss the case against Eric Holder, noting his reluctance to “say to the Administration that we’ve come to the end.” He was very blunt about saying Holder’s Justice Department has lied to his committee.
In the middle of his appearance, the Justice Department released a statement – read to Issa while he was sitting in the studio – that said they’ve offered just about all the compliance they’re going to. The Congressman did not seem terribly surprised to hear it. Further stonewalling, he said, would be like Richard Nixon offering to release the Watergate tapes in fifty years, and the “drop dead date” for DOJ compliance with those House subpoenas is “immediately.”
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Holder needs to go - Trigger Happy
[ In Reply To ..]If you have nothing to hide, why not comply with the investigation? Whether or not he will actually be tossed out...who knows.
Pretty sad that he will not give the family closure - Conservative
[ In Reply To ..]Holder is the cruelest of the cruel. The families of the two border agents killed in this mess have never gotten the answers they deserve regarding these murders. I hope Holder is held in contempt and he is legally prosecuted any way possible.
So one family's feelings, sad thought they may be, are more - important than national security? nm
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well remember that GWB did not want - to upset the kiddies
[ In Reply To ..]when the nation was attacked by getting up and taking action. He was the precedent president!!!
This is ridiculous - Bush responded in - literal SECONDS!!!!!!!!!
[ In Reply To ..]Gaaawwwd WHAT A SORRY TWIST TO SPIN THIS IN TO SOMETHING BAD.
making a stupid face and freezing - is not my idea
[ In Reply To ..]"responding"
What a ridiculous "assumption" on your part - Clear you did not watch entire video
[ In Reply To ..]Another totally uninformed, misinformed, blind to facts liberal here. Entire response was literally seconds, but this one trying to spin it into something it was not. Would like to see your crazy "frozen" expression (another lie), finding out America was attacked. Based on your posts and your words, you'd proably jump for joy.
oh I saw and millions of other saw - bush freeze and sit
[ In Reply To ..]there like a rabbit. You can believe and repeat all you want -- it is on film, zealot.
supposin your statement is accurate - in
[ In Reply To ..]the fact that he responded in "literal seconds." Why then would one have to watch the ENTIRE video? how many seconds in does his leap to action take place?
no, actually, he did not - nm
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Too bad Obama not intersted in - "national security"
[ In Reply To ..]other than what serves his purpose to protect Holder. Released all kinds of "national security" documents regarding bin Laden and terrorists, routinely throws military under the bus.
Are you joking or just misinformed? - VTMT
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Not the OP, but thought this was quite interesting - sm
[ In Reply To ..]In my personal opinion, it's not a joke.
Here is an excerpt from the article:
"This is what the Obama administration does over and over. It’s a flagrant abuse of its secrecy powers. It uses anonymous leaks to selectively boast about what it does and thus shape media narratives and public understanding of its conduct (also called “domestic propaganda”). But it then simultaneously insists that the whole matter is classified — Top Secret — when it comes time to be subjected to any form of legal accountability or have its assertions publicly tested.
We just saw this deceitful pattern this week when Obama officials — yet again — ran around anonymously boasting about all the Bad Guy Corpses the Commander-in-Chief has produced with his steely use of CIA drones, only to turn around and tell a court that it cannot possibly respond to the ACLU’s FOIA request about CIA drones because National Security prevents the U.S. Government even from confirming or denying the existence of that program. They simultaneously use secrecy as a sword and a shield: they ensure that they can make whatever claims they want about their behavior in order to glorify the President, while preventing all attempts to obtain the full and real story and, more important, to obtain adjudications about whether their conduct comports with the law."
http://www.salon.com/2012/04/27/selective_bin_laden_leaking/singleton/
It is interesting... - sm
[ In Reply To ..]It's troubling, too. I can't say I'm happy to read it, as I support Obama, but it goes to show that there are plenty of news outlets that will present information from both sides - even when it is not flattering.
Are you joking or just misinformed? - VTMT - You're uninformed AND RUDE, AS USUAL
[ In Reply To ..]Always tryinng to start something based on NO FACTS AT ALL.
National Security - With You On This One - mbmt
[ In Reply To ..]I think the idea that President Obama is not interested in national security is preposterous. Actually, I think he has shown a lot of strength in that area.
WOW..where the heck do you get your information? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]what you have stated is just plain ridiculous
Pretty clear where you get your - lack of information
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Were you this upset with Bush when he said - sm
[ In Reply To ..]he didn't care about bin Laden any more? This, of course, was preceded by Bush telling everyone to go shopping. Of course, the recommendation from the "experts" was to buy a lot of duct tape and plastic. There were many stupid, foolish things that the Republicans just ignored when those statements were made by our (s)elected President Bush.
However, given a choice of not caring about national security, an alternative statement would be to express the danger it really is. I wonder which the "enemy" would prefer.
"Enemy" clearly prefers Obama - Obama fits in with them
[ In Reply To ..]As usual, you left out the ENTIRE quotes to only spin what you thing fits your lib mantra.
Hello? The "enemy" that supposedly preferrED Obama - is dead! nm
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Hello! -If you think entire terrorist org. was only 1 man - you're more uninformed than previous thought
[ In Reply To ..]Yeah...like ENTIRE terrorist network, spanning the entire world, operating in countries all over the world was only 1 man, without any supporters or people that he was training up to take his place and/or lead other terrorists all over the world. How naive!!
? "routinely throws military under the bus" - pifflewaffle
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you have to question every statement - from the right
[ In Reply To ..]They routinely just blurt things out that have no basis in fact. It's tiring, but necessary.
It's like a tic or something. - nm
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you have to question every statement - from the left - Pack of deceivers - Lazy Lib
[ In Reply To ..]"They routinely just blurt things out that have no basis in fact. It's tiring, but necessary."
Give facts to a lib, they are too lazy to look at them. Easier for them to put a psychotic spin on all their comment and posts.
Here's why. - It's simple.
[ In Reply To ..]There are already ongoing criminal Fast and Furious investigations and prosecutions being conducted by the inspector general. The documents in question contain law enforcement information, grand jury transcripts and other materials protected under the separation of powers provisions in the US Constitution and are not subject to Congressional subpoena for a variety of reasons.
Issa's 47-page rant isn't the first time he has exhibited hyperpartisan priorities that smack of GOP hypocrisy and politics of personal destruction. His unwillingness to allow testimony from Bush administration officials on how this program was conducted from its inception comes as no surprise, confirming his obvious reluctance to present the full picture and his underlying motives of targeting Eric Holder and the Obama Administration (AGAIN).
His failure to notify committee minority members of the pending citation is further evidence that this is more about keeping his vendetta front and center in the media rather than advancing the investigation in any meaningful way. His constant grandstanding on this in fact serves the purpose of undermining the Justice Department's own investigation. Issa is also being motivated by his underlying paranoid angst based on the conspiratorial notion that the Fast and Furious program is somehow being used by to expand government databases on gunowners to be used in some imaginary way to restrict 2nd Amendment rights.
Issa was born in the wrong place at the wrong time. He missed his calling as Dishonorable Grand Inquisitor for the Salem Witch Trials yet to this day is still attempting to assume his own 21st century version of that role. Transparent. Unimpressve. My question would be, if the Oversight Committee is so convinced they have a legitimate case, why not simply wait until the ongoing investigations and prosecutions by the inspector general are concluded before proceeding any futher? Oh, of course. That would mean sacrificing all that perceived partisan advantage of cultivating and nurturing Obama Administration scandals between now and the election. What was I thinking?
yea, not so fast...there are other opinions - sm
[ In Reply To ..]of this rather than just Fox's. Here is just one...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lanny-davis/eric-holder-fast-and-furious_b_1477368.html
Doesn't matter who has an opinion on news - me
[ In Reply To ..]....what matters is that Holder lied and it's been proven over and over again on many different broadcast stations. This entire administration is a joke - a treasury secretary who doesn't pay his takes for 4 years? Spare me, how do you forget to do that suddenly? A homeland security director who wants to give amnesty to illegal aliens? Nancy Pelosi using taxypayer $$$ to fly back and forth to Washington from California, and take her family? I mean, come on, these are only a couple examples. This administration will go down as one of the most corrupt in history all the way around......The whole lot of them has to go, and if Holder is first, well so be it.
Excuse me. Proven over and over on BROADCAST stations? - Since when is ANYTHING
[ In Reply To ..]proven one way or the other in the media? Funny how you voice no concerns over the content of the investigation per se, and the family of the fallen BP officer, whose interests the GOP insists they are serving, gets nary a mention....only the obsessive compulsion to bring down an entire administration whose leaders were elected by democratic process in 2008. Ain't. Gonna. Happen. The Contitution supports Holder's position. That ought to mean SOMETHING to the party who otherwise claims strict adherence to those principles.
This post is funny considering - Holder and DOJ
[ In Reply To ..]Continually spit on the Constitution with Obama's support. Refusal to enforce DOMA, Black Panter Party case, voter fraud to name a few.
Refusal to enforce DOMA? What do you - mean? Was this SM
[ In Reply To ..]passed? Defense of marriage act, correct? This is purely a political issue. I want to know who truly feels they must pass a law because they think allowing gay marriage will undermine their own? I will take any reason for believing this except being brainwashed into it and except for aligning with a party who are minimizing themselves right into a corner.
Brainwashing - again the LEFTIE'S MANTRA - nm
[ In Reply To ..]It is a law. if you don't like a law, you change it. OBAMA AND HOLDER SWORN TO UPHOLD ALL LAWS, not pick and choose. THAT'S THE CONSTITUTION! Would bet you have no idea what the Constitution says and the way it protects the poorly informed wannabe left politic pundits on this board that are clueless, as usual. "I will take any reason for believing" differently than this "being brainwashed" and "aligning with a party who are minimizing themselves right into a corner."
DOMA signed in 1996. The bill to repeal it - based on unconstitutionality
[ In Reply To ..]entitled the Respect for Marriage Act has passed a Senate Judiciary Committee vote by 10-8 in Nov 2011, clearing the way for it to be introduced on the Senate floor. However, like every other ill-fated measure stalled in the mountainous Senate backlog, it would probably be filibustered to death by GOP obstructionists, so it currently sits idle in committee.
Eric Holder and President Obama are not the only ones who deem DOMA unconstitutional. In 2009, US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit Judge Stephen Reinhardt declared DOMA unconstitutional in an employment dispute resolution tribunal in 2009. A similar ruling that same year from Judge Alex Kozinski (9th circuit) was issued in another employment tribunal in favor of the employee (Karen Golinski), but the employer refused to comply with the court's order to allow her to purchase insurance for her wife. She then sued the employer in federal court and in the process the DOJ took up the constitutionality argument. On 02/22/12 Judge Jeffrey White ruled in her favor on the grounds that DOMA violates her 5th Amendment rights to equal protection under the law, stating that DOMA could not pass the "heightened scrutiny" requirement based on deliberate discrimination against gay and lesbian people by private and federal entities.
In July 2010, Judge Joseph Tauro ruled on two separate actions, one challenging the definition of marriage under DOMA and another complaint that Congress had overstepped in authority to undermine state's efforts to recognize same-sex marriages. In the first action,he found DOMA was in violation of th 5th Amendment Due Process Clause and in the second action, he found DOMA was in violation of the 10th Amendment.
Second Circuit judges issued similar opinions November 2010. There are at least six pending actions in states and federal courts, one of which the DOJ is actively arguing DOMA unconstitutionality.
IMO, Holder and the DOJ are doing precisely what they should be doing, by refusing to uphold a measure that has clearly been demonstrated to violate the Constitution on multiple levels.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2011-11-10/democrats-gay-marriage/51152184/1
http://www.metroweekly.com/poliglot/2012/02/domas-federal-definition-of-ma.html
http://www.metroweekly.com/poliglot/2010/07/federal-court-rules-doma-viola.html
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/business/legal/us-justice-department-argues-that-defense-of-marriage-act-is-unconstitutional-216869/
Lots of assumptions - Keep spinningq
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What in that post was an assumption? Or - is this the latest
[ In Reply To ..]faux noise talking point? Can't tolerate a well-written post, just toss a drive-by insult. Typical.
Well said !! - Thank you!
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