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Some observation about Beck and an article

Posted: Nov 25, 2009

I'll be the first one to say if you don't like someone (Beck, O'Reilly, Olberman or Mathews, etc), just turn the channel. I don't like to see anyone shut down because I don't like them, but came across this article I found interesting.

I do watch him (not every day, but I do catch his show if I'm not working), but today I think about did it for me. Like I say I have nothing against him, and I am glad that he is getting some of the information he shares out. However, today he just got a little to "preachy" for me. Did anyone watch his show today and can you tell me if I am right or wrong about this. Today I do believe I heard him saying that there should not be a separation of church and state. I think I heard him say the founding fathers did not want separation. He was going on about the exodus from Egypt, and he kind of lost it for me as it was getting too religious. But if he doesn't want separation of church and state, which religion does he want in (his? - mormon). Would he feel the same if it was the muslims religion. Again I may be wrong and maybe that is not what he said, but it was at that point I changed the channel.

Below is an interesting article I found about Beck I wanted to share. If you don't care for Beck you'll find it interesting, but if you really enjoy Beck...well...it just kind of opens your mind (eyes) to what Beck is about. - It is a blog (if that makes a difference to some)

Like I said...I enjoy that he brings up some issues we would otherwise not hear, but at the same time too, it's just all talk and too frustrating for me to hear what is going on in our corrupt system but nothing happening about it.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-11-23/glenn-beck-community-organizer?cmpid=p_yahoo

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Glenn Beck-Did you see yesterday's program? - Backwards typist

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I saw the first 15 minutes. He was not radical. He made some good points.

I, too, do not watch him every day,especially when he gets a bit "radical" but he does bring up some good points in a lot of his programs.

Don't forget, he first brought up ACORN, Van Jones, Soros, Alinsky, etc. ties and although I've been doing research on all the above and more, he has been right on it.

For all you Olberman, Maddow, Shultz fans, etc., I've tried watching them and they are definitely not fair in their reporting. I sometimes tune in to get my laugh for the day, or my tantrums, whichever mood I happen to be in that day. Nothing slanted in their reports.HA!

I didn't watch him yesterday - sm - Hmmm

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Honestly I cannot remember what I did yesterday (oh nooooo.....Alzheimer's) LOL Yesterday is like a blur (think the depression is hitting in). Anyway...I did not see him.

I do have to say and not sure I conveyed this enough in my last message...that he does bring up info we wouldn't hear otherwise. Definitely all the ones you mentioned (Acorn, Jones, etc) I wouldn't have never heard of that if it wasn't for his show. Also I like his tough questions, etc. Although when he starts putting his religious view points forward that is where I get turned off.

And you are so right about the MSNBC crowd. They are definitely NOT fair in their reporting. Haven't watched them since the elections, and can't believe I enjoyed them before the election. Now I watch them and I just think they are definitely not fair in their reporting (or - gasp - "fair"). Sorry I don't consider toting around their token republican (Buchanan) and saying because he's on their are balanced.

I'm still trying to figure out if Beck did say that church and state should not be separate and what he was talking about.

I like the topics he discusses, but when he gets "preachy" it just really turns me off.

And you think Glenn Beck is "fair?" - Really?

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What is your idea of fair? What is it based upon? Do you have ideas of the way you think things should be, and judge by that? What is "fair" to one is not "fair" to everyone else. All this talk about "fairness" is idiotic. Glenn Beck is scary only because there are people who can stand to watch him and do watch him for something more than entertainment value. He's the Jim Jones of the entertainment world.

interesting - nm

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Jim Jones comparison. Never thought of that, but it is a quite good. Step back and you will see Beck is way, way more radical than the people he hounds. He himself is not dangerous, it is the kooky notions he encourages in uneducated or unbalanced people. It is like he keeps pushing and pushing for someone to be violent. But he will disavow any involvement in it with a knowing wink.

Great post. (sm) - Nikki

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I never thought of that comparison before, either, but your post pretty much sums up my opinion, as well. Thanks. :-)

Your comments are insulting and just flat out wrong - Hmmm

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You're saying that everyone who watches Beck is uneducated/unbalanced. I started this post, I'm finding myself liking Beck less and less, but in no way am I uneducated or unbalanced and neither are other people who watch him. You know the same could be said for Odderman. Now those people who watch him, Maddow and Mathews are the uneducated and unbalanced ones. Just look at this board. When they don't report the news and I turn on Odderman to find him yelling into the camera all the time. No thanks.

And you tell me one instance where Beck has "pushed and pushed for someone to be violent". I've watched his show plenty. No matter what Odderman and the other two stooges at BSNBC have been brainwashing the mindless with, Beck does not push for people to be violent. Name one instance. Unless you consider him telling his audience members to call their representative and tell them not to vote for this or that, or write a letter to their congress person. Unless you consider letting us know our constitutional rights and what we as citizens of the country can legally do to let our voices be heard. Please do tell of a specific incident where he pushed for violence. Quite the opposite. It's the people at BSNBC. Because of them and their followers now Beck has to walk around with body guards because the stooges at BSNBC and their mindless followers believe it is their duty to kill Beck. As for uneducated/ unbalanaced.... Because of Beck I do more researching. People don't believe him lock, stock, and barrel (like the followers who watch the stooges believe them without researching). He even tells people to take the information he presents and research it themselves. People who listen to Fox News and other news sources are the educated ones because we listen and read everything we come across. The uneducated my dear are the ones who buy into the three stooges and think that everything they say is correct. Those people my dear are the uneducated ones.

Again...name a specific incident where he pushed for people to be violent.

Please see message. - Nikki

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I don't think (I hope) the poster was referring to those people who are balanced and can look from the "outside in," and I'm expressing my own opinion here, no other poster's.

Certainly, Beck has followers who are rational, but he also has those who look from the "inside out" and may be cajoled into doing something deadly because of what they hear on Beck.

In my opinion, you're a reasonable person, and this doesn't apply to you.

By the way, Happy Thanksgiving!

Hey Nikki - Hmmm

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Blanket statements are never good no matter what side they are on. I got my back up to the wall when I read the posters message about how we are uneducated and unbalanced, and that is what I spat back out about the people who watch MSNBC, so I will apologize to all who watch that station but do have the education and wisdom to be able to tell the difference between the truth and the bull.

I really don't know why some people think people who watch Beck are uneducated. It's because of Beck that we DO educate ourselves. I used to be a loyal watcher of Olberman and Mathews up until the election. While I was very interested in Clinton/Obama and I really did not want McCain in office, I just found that a lot of what they were "reporting" was just flat out wrong. I knew it was wrong because I had read multiple websites. Also, when I saw Matthews interviewing guests, but not giving them the courtesy to answer questions without being rude while spit flew out of his mouth, interrupting them, not giving them a chance to finish. When I saw Olberman just screaming into the cameras in an irate rage, I decided to change the station.

So I do apologize for my blanket statement about those who watch MSNBC.

By the way, I just don't like Beck because he's preachy. One thing that really struck me in the show that I decided not to watch him anymore was him talking about how church and state should not be separate because that's not what the founding fathers wanted and something was written by them and we should follow that, and all I could think about was "well which religion does he want running the show". Also, does he want to follow only certain things the founding fathers wrote about or all of it. He just lost me as a viewer for his show (unless I know the Judge is going to be on).

Anyway...thank you much for your words that you don't believe it applies to me. It doesn't because I can tell when I'm being fed a bunch of bull and when there is a legit issue I need to research. And I say the same to you that I do believe you to be reasonable too and not just follow MSNBC lock, stock and barrel.

Have a happy thanksgiving to you too. Got to go put my pie in the oven.

Please see the link I posted below about Beck's (sm) - Nikki

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100-year plan. I got it from his website. It might help answer some of your questions. I also posted his position on separation of church and state. I agree with you fully regarding this. That's why we have freedom of religion in this country, and that's one of the great things about our country.

I occasionally watch his show, and I agree with you that he's too preachy, but he lost me the day he decided that the architecture of New York City held secret images to doom and gloom or some such thing.

I take what I hear with a grain of salt. I listen and then I try to substantiate it on the internet, which is the best tool I have. I believe you do the same.

That pie smells good! LOL. I baked mine last night, but the turkey is smelling pretty good right now. I love this time of the year, even though it stresses me out sometimes!

I reinterate that anyone who watches Beck - NM

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for ANY reason other than monitoring his latest rabble rousing or just for the laugh factor IS either uneducated and/or unbalanced. My reasoning follows. Watching the program with the intent to learn is prima facie evidence of both. If one is educated in politics, history, economics - one can see the gaping holes in his flimsy logic and joining unrelated incidents to denote some type of pattern. If one is unbalanced, they TOO see patterns in unrelated things. As for Beck and his bodyguards - consider this viewpoint. He knows he is dealing with the disenfranchised and dull; he knows he is inciting unrest. He wants protection from the very people he is goading.

Maybe you should get the "Christmas Sweater" - you need redemption

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Also, you should get a dictionary, it would help you "reiterate" better.

Oh my, your choice of literature is interesting. - How long did it take you to read it?

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I appreciate your concern - NM

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for my redemption. However, I am not lost, so it would be unnecessary. But the thought is appreciated.

real nice.. If you dont like Beck, fine, but please - stop acting like those who do are nuts

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...really unfair, YOUR opinion, and plain rude.

I agree...it is that kind of attitude that is wrong and... - anon

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shows that they are the people who are unstable and un-educated.

For someone to come on and cut down people who watch his show, goes to show how intolerant they are of other people's opinion. And I'm sure they are perfectly fine that Beck is receiving death threats.

It's people like the poster who states that anyone who watches a show they don't like are unbalanced and un-educated shows everyone who reads the post just how unbalanced and uneducated they are.

Ah ha - the highly effective "I'm rubber, you're glue" - defense

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Excellent choice :)

Yup you proved my point - anon

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Never heard of the "I'm rubber, you're glue" defense or what that even means. But you did prove my point. A little education goes a long way.

Glad to assist in your elementary edification. - :)

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I had no idea you were that far behind.

yep, probably related to Janeane Garofalo(loon)nm - Independent

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No. You are wrong. - NM

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No matter how angry you feel. No matter how much offense is taken. The facts are that if you willingly chose to accept information that is easily provably untrue, if you are not logical enough to question the train of thought of Glenn Beck and instantaneously know he is speaking nonsense, you are in one of the two categories mentioned previously. Not unfair, not untrue, not insulting - fact. This has nothing to do with your "right" to watch him.

No, you are the one who is wrong and what you just - wrote is your opinion.

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How arrogant of you to come on board and deem the people who watch whomever you don't nuts. You may have not written that original message, but you just reiterated that in this post. What you wrote is NOT fact, it is your opinion. That's all. If you don't like him fine, we get it. But there are plenty of people who do like him. People with education, people with degrees, doctors, lawyers, judges, politicians, business people, etc, etc, etc. People who do watch him are well educated. We don't take everything he says to be true. We do our own research. Sorry you don't like that, but that is the truth. For you to come on board and proclaim that the information he talks about on his show is untrue just goes to show how out of touch you are with reality and you don't even know what's going on in our country.

You don't like him, fine, we get it. But know that there are many well educated and well informed people who do watch him and who do like him and who do find most of the information he presents to be true. So you don't like that....you know what....tough! Deal with it. That kind of attitude is pompous and arrogant and not very becoming.

Nobody said anything about willingly choosing to accept information. And whether the information is true or not you don't know. You don't know because you don't research and you don't listen to him, so you have no idea what he even says.

The people who are not logical are the ones who cut him down and don't watch him. If you get all your information based solely on MSNBC and what those clowns have to say with their hatred and envy pouring through because their station is diving in ratings, and you don't question anything they say then you are the one who is illogical.

Glen Beck does not speak nonsense all the time. He's like any other commentary person. You take some things with a grain of salt and other things you do your own research. I research and more times than not what he says I find out on my own that what he says is true. Sorry...those are facts. Know you don't like hearing them. but well....as they say... C'est la vie.

So when people say that the people who watch Beck are unstable and uneducated, that is indeed NOT true, NOT fair, and is most definitely insulting, and is only your opinion. Nobody said anything about anyone's "right" to watch him. But to come on this board and insult (pretty happy about insulting too) people who watch Beck shows the lack of education and stability on your part, and makes people not take anything you have to say seriously.

round III - NM

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Many people may watch him, true. That does not testify to any point other than that many people watch him. As you may recall, I stated that watchers are EITHER uneducated or unstable OR a combination of both. Thus, you may have an educated viewer who watches to satisfy some emotional problem. Point 2 - There really is no "fair" or "unfair" about this. Point 3 - You claim there are viewers who listen and then do research. If that were so, they would obviously be ex-viewers as they would find Beck's claims totally distorted or senseless. How many times are we going to do this?

Wow, keep digging this hole. -talk about arrogance.wow.nm - mtt22

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Do you even realize what you are saying - anon

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You might want to quit while you are ahead (except that you are not even ahead). The arrogance oozes. Well of course people watch him - try millions. Maybe you should be telling all these millions how wrong they are because you feel you are right.

Yes you did state that watchers are either uneducated or unstable. Why don't you tell that to the doctors, lawyers, nurses, business men/women, politicians, judges, people who have graduated colleges with PhD's, etc. I'm sure they would love to be told by the enlightened one how uneducated and unstable they are simply because you feel so.

Yes viewers do watch and do research, and that is why they continued to watch. Because he tells the truth about what is happening to our country, and that is why they continue to watch.

The only people who have some emotional problems are the ones who try to cut him down and proclaim he is not telling the truth, because it doesn't fit with what they want in their little minds or they weren't told this by the MSNBC crowd. They try to satisfy their arrogance by proclaiming they feel uneducated and unstable people watch Beck, all the while making themselves look more foolish because...well I can't understand why they would even want to make themselves look foolish.

Point 2 - There really IS fair about this, whether you want to believe it or not. People will watch and when they get both sides of the story that is what they call fair. Until you are willing to understand that there are always two sides (or more) to a story, you will be oblivious to the fact that you might just be wrong.

Point #3 - your arrogant claim that if viewers did research they would be ex-viewers. Well just too arrogant beyond words, as I watch the guests he has on his show. These people do their research and they continue to watch because they know its the only place they will hear the truth no matter how ugly the truth might be.

How many times are we going to do this? As many times as it takes to get through that you are spewing your opinion and that's all it is. You are not right no matter how much you think you are.

You don't like him fine. Don't watch him (which I know you don't), but it's not very wise to come on to specifically insult posters with the arrogant statement that people who watch him oar uneducated and unstable, when you clearly do not know what you are talking about. It reflects poorly on the writer of the post making these pompous statements.

I beg to differ with your argument - Backwards typist

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...and before you ridicule me because of my moniker...I use it because a lot of times I type words backwards.

Nothing wrong with me. I watch Beck. Not every day. I've also watch Oberdong, and Madwow. Their commentaries are laughable and so slanted.

I also watch CSPAN, read up on articles on the 'net, and read bills coming up for law in the house and senate.

I am not unbalanced nor uneducated. Granted, I am not MENSA, but big deal. You don't have to be MENSA to have smarts.

Your statements are totally false. Beck does point out facts and I do research on them to see if he's correct or not. So far, he's been pretty well right on the money where certain government figures are concerned, which I will not mention here because it's well known who they are.

Tonight's program had to do with the dollar plunging in value and he went through the whole deal as to why and what is needed to be done to correct it.

Last week, he had a program about O taking so long to decide on troop deployment to Afganistan. I didn't see the whole program, but wish I would have.

So, before you call anyone "uneducated, unstable or a combination of both", I would suggest you watch him on a "good" night. You may just have picked a night where he was acting like a doofus in the beginning of the program. I haven't seen that happen for a while.

Hey, NM.. believe it or not, you are stating YOUR - opinion. Quit trying to preach.nm

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Are you the same gal - NM

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that posted a while back that you watched MSNBC for something like 7 years before you decided to stop? Just asking. Not insinuating anything. really.

Not sure - Hmmm

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I don't remember ever saying I watched anyone for 7 years. I'd have to read the entire post you are talking about to know whether or not I wrote it. I did watch MSNBC through the years when Bush was President but I don't know if that was for his entire 8 years as President or not. I think I was watching MSNBC when 9/11 happened (I think), but I can't remember before that who I watched (or where I even lived for that matter or if I even watched news back then).

Yep. Got ya. - NM

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Hope you had a nice holiday

Are you always that rude for no reason - Hmmm

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You asked, I answered. Truthfully I don't ever remember writing something saying I watched MSNBC for 7 years because I don't know how long I have been watching MSNBC before I turned them off. I do believe I watched it when 9/11 happened because that's what MIL watches and we were discussing the incidents on TV (or maybe it was CNN - just can't remember that far back and by the way who cares how long I used to watch MSNBC). I asked if you had that post and I would read it and tell you whether or not I wrote it. So tell me what the problem is. Are you upset that I used to watch MSNBC? Trying to figure out what the problem is you are having and why you even asked me that question.

If you find the post and let me read it I will tell you whether or not I said it. If you can't then I would "suggest" to keep your smart alecky comments to yourself.

You have yourself a real nice holiday too.

Radical? Amazing, Beck is radical but Obama is not? - Must be something in the water.nm

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Can't you think of anything other than comparisons - ?

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Tit for tat is a child's game.

just showing how hypocritical some are... and too - blind to see it. nm

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Oh, I didn't see anyone say Obama is or is not - Seemed like a whole new

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dynamic you came up with there.

nothing new about it. It's been all over the - political board.nm

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No it - has not

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oh, yes it has... sorry, but everywhere.nm - goodLuck

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Good luck to you too with your - hallucinations

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typical reply from someone in denial. WAKE UP.nm - mtt22

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You've already drowned in that - river

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please use your dictionary and understand - NM

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what it means before you make such an informed comment.

I understood.. YOU didn't ..whats the problem?nm - mttt2

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I have to agree, and his is dangerous for that reason - Colleen

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I feel like Rush Limbaugh is sort of in the same boat. Yes, they have the freedom to state their opinions but I have some legitimate concerns about what the response could be in someone listening who may not be "all there."

No different than the people who are not "all there" - who watch MSNBC

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For Rush there is Ray Taliaferro. For Beck there is Olberman, and for O'Reilly there is Mathews. Whenever you have anyone who is "not there" listening to any of those shows whether they be conservative or liberal that can be a very dangerous thing.

I agree. Not sure why you felt the need to jump to their (or your) defense-but whatever. - Colleen

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Never said there not people on the left that weren't "all there." However, I personally have not heard anyone making the kind of "suggestions" (wink, wink") that I hear on Fox. There are unstable people on both sides. I just think that there are a couple on the right that make some really outrageous suggestions that someone listening who is unstable could take seriously and act on. Olberman definitely speaks his mind but I have never heard him suggest someone needs to be killed. Personally, I think Matthews is pretty low key, at least when I have seen him which I admit has not been very often. Ray Taliaferro is a hothead that I personally would compare to O'Reilly. I personally don't listen to him because he aggravates me and I don't like the way he talks to people. Can't stand him. In that way he does remind me of Rush. Having said that, I have never heard him make suggestions to his audience that could incite violence. I can't think of any left wing person that goes as far overboard and with as much malicious intent as Beck and Rush. You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. I respect your opinion and I hope will respect mine so we can continue to talk reasonably.

Good post - I too respect your opinion - who watch MSNBC

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Truth be said I don't watch MSNBC anymore. Just got fed up with them. Definitely right about Matthews being low key. I just think he's rude to the guests, doesn't let them finish their sentences, but I would agree he is low key and if I was to watch anyone at MSNBC he would be the one. Olberman does speak his mind -guess that's why I don't like him. LOL. But you do and that's why there are different stations - everyone likes different styles. I have never heard Olberman, Mathews, Maddow, O'Reilly, Beck, Hannity or anyone at either Fox or MSNBC suggest that somebody needs to be killed. All I'll say is it's all a matter of taste. How great of a country do we live in where we can have 6 or 7 different news stations to be able to choose from. I do respect your opinions and I thank you for your post. It is very good and very respectful. I believe that as adults we can have disagreements and continue to be respectful of each other.

BTW - my moniker is just me. But I didn't put that in the monikor space, because I had put that other thing there.

Two really good posts: Colleen and just me (sm) - Nikki

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I wish more discussions went this way on this board.

I think it's probably human nature to watch whichever station or stations you feel you can relate to. There's nothing wrong with that.

Some liberals/progressives see Fox News as unreliable, unfair and downright false.

Some conservatives see MSNBC in the very same light for the very same reasons.

What I've been doing lately is Googling anything and everything I see on any channel, be it Fox or MSNBC, and if it turns out there's a story there, I may post it on this board.

It gets frustrating sometimes because I find a great deal of my stories on "Raw Story." I've never heard one bad thing about "Raw Story," except what I've read on this board denigrating the site.

Again, after reading a "Raw Story" article, I do my own research to verify it before I post it.

It's really important that we stop attacking each other. Most of the time, an "attack" of some sort may feel warranted, but it should be aimed at the message, not the messenger.

I like to learn new things, and I read everything except for the one-line drive-bys posted on this board. But I also learn new things from conservatives who aren't always in attack mode and who present themselves as reasonable. There are people on this board who do that, and I believe "just me" is one of them. I believe "Hmmmm" is another one. (I'm probably forgetting a few people, and I'm sorry for that.)

I personally like Chris Matthews very much and agree that he interrupts too much, but he almost always has a Republican on his show to balance out the Democrat he has, and then he seems to play the "Devil's advocate" in his exchanges with each of his guests. I also like Keith Olbermann, mainly because I agree with the things he says. Oftentimes, I will see a story on the internet during the day, I will check it out to make sure it's legitimate, and then find that he reports the same story on his show. Other times, it's in reverse: He'll report a story, and then I'll research and check to see if it's true. I take nothing for granted.

I sometimes watch Fox. I just can't handle Glenn Beck, but I have recently been watching O'Reilly. Sometimes I can handle him; sometimes I can't.

I just wanted to say that I appreciate very much the two above posts by Colleen and just me. They've proven that intelligent conversation can and does exist on this board.

Thanks to you both for being so classy.

Thanks Nikki - feel the same about your posts too - Hmmm/just me

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I smiled when you mentioned both just me and Hmmm because they are both me. I started as just me awhile back then saw someone started posting with just me, so I started posting with hmmm and then saw someone else using that. I've basically stuck with those. I don't like to switch back and forth but when I see some posts disagreeing and I feel it is more for who I am than content I switch, and it just depends on what I feel like typing in. I think I wrote that awhile back that I was two in the same. Maybe I should just start using Hmmm/just me so there won't be any confusion.

Have to say sometimes the one liners make me smile (like someone who posted something about being thankful for the question marks on her keyboard - got a chuckle out of that), but I do wish people would post a message. I do believe that as adults we should get along and whether we disagree or not be respectful. I find you and Colleen to be respectful even when you don't agree with someone and I try the same. Mom always said talk to people the way you would want to be talked to. There are others on the board too that are respectful (Backwards Typist, Just the Big Bad, cj, and many others I may have forgotten).

So hope you all enjoy the rest of the holiday weekend.

just me/Hmmm

Great post! (sm) - Nikki

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"He's the Jim Jones of the entertainment world."

Yep. That sums it up, and that's what's so scary about him and his cult.

And what is your idea of fair? - Hmmm

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Beck reports on issues going on that affect my life and others. He has guests on that are insightful and gives people the truth about issues we are facing and encourages us to research it more. Like for instance about the H1N1 vaccine. He had two guests on. One for the vaccine and one against. Each side presented why they were for or against it. He has people like Judge Napalitano who tells the audience members what is in the constitution and what our rights are as citizens of this country.

I watch Fox station because I know that that is the only place I will find out what is going on. I learned about ACORN, Van Jones, and a lot of other pretty scary people in the administration and what they are doing. I learned about a lot of what is going on in individual states. The fate of the economy. What are the next states that are on their way to financial ruin like California. I live in one of those states. That is of importance to me to learn what happened to California to put them into the financial crisis they are in, and why my state could be the next to be issuing me an IOU for the work I do, so that I can decide if I want to live in this state anymore. I've learned that while a lot of black people voted for Obama those same black people are disappointed in his performance and say if they had known ahead of time they would not have voted for him. Beck has town hall type meetings where we get to hear from medical professionals, and business owners on what needs to be done to get the economy going. I've learned what my rights as a citizen of this country are. I've learned more about what our founding fathers envisioned for our country and why they wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

What I consider fair is Bill O'Reilly interviewing many different democrats and republicans on issues and letting them have time to speak and present their side of the arguments. What I find fair is Hannity (as insufferable as he is), has both democrats and republicans on a panel discussing issues. They may not agree with them but they aren't rude and condescending to them and cut them down and insult them like the three stooges of MSNBC. That is of course if MSNBC ever does have a guest that's not liberal on. Then you have Odderman just sitting like some uneducated monkey (sorry, no offense to monkeys) agreeing with everything some liberal wackos like Garofool and other liberal guests says. Odderman spews hate from his show while he yells into the camera. Matthews is just rude, and Maddow is condescending. And on top of that 80% of the time they are wrong about what they reports (oops, no offense to "real" reporters).

So you tell me....what is fair to you? What do you base it on?

Fair to me is:
1. Talk about real issue going on that affect our lives.
2. Have guests from all parties to give their viewpoints (Fox does, MSNBC doesn't).
3. Don't be rude or condescending to your guests (Fox isn't, MSNBC is).
4. Let people decide for themselves what they believe to be right or wrong (Fox does, MSNBC does't).
5. Don't scream into the camera at the audience like Odderman does. America does not like to be yelled at.
6. Do your research beforehand (which Fox does).

Jim Jones of the entertainment world? Nope, that's what Odderman is.

Fair? Yet again I say, your idea of fair is hearing - what you like to hear

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Fair and balanced? As long as you "think" it is "fair" then it is, isn't it? Your criteria is personal as is your belief. My belief is that Beck is a histrionic entertainer; an embarrassment to educated folk who do not generally go for all the showmanship, and he detracts from the importance of political issues with his performances. He's not even worthy of considering and is laughing at you all the way to the bank. In short, he is a joke, and my personal opinion is that anyone who takes him alone seriously has issues.

Well, he did write a book about you.. its on the - bestseller list.

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:)

Yes, he and I love making all the money off - all the

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weak-minded chumps who believe and buy the stuff. Picture books for kids so we can get them young are on the top of our list too. :) :) :)

okay, I do see your point, and you did say something that rings true - Hmmm - see comments

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You're statement did say something I agree with. "As long as you think it is fair then it is, isn't it". However, I think everyone can agree that fair means you have to give equal "camera" time to both sides and that is what Fox does. I've seen both sides interviewed. I just don't get it with MSNBC.

He is an entertainer and he is entertaining. I always say I'll bet he was good with his kids growing up helping them learn because he is a great entertainer. Histrionic though? No, that would be Keith Olberman. That man (in my opinion) needs a straight jacket. I think Beck's "showmanship" is what is entertaining about him and is what gets the message out to people. I don't always find him correct, and more times than not he shows that there's something behind him, but he presents it in a thoughtful and comical approach. Getting mad about an issue going on that everyone should be mad about does not detract from the important issues, it makes us aware. There's nothing more than I cannot stand is Olberman, Mathews, and Maddow taking an important issue that affects my life (and many other Americans lives) and laughing about it. Making me feel as though my anger at the corruptness in WA is somehow not important. I don't take him seriously and I don't think a lot of people that watch him take him seriously. But seems "some" of the people who watch MSNBC takes them serious as now Beck has to walk around with body guards as he has received death threats. That is pure hatred and that is what the crowd at MSNBC is doing. People who watch Beck don't take him at his word and if you ever watch his show you would know that he even says "don't take my word for it, research it yourselves". Anyone who thinks that people who just takes his word for it alone has issues themselves.

What is wrong with researching an issue. What is wrong with when we hear there are politicians in the DC area that are crooked say it like it is no matter what political party they are in. What is wrong with wanting the Constitution upheld . What is wrong with wanting the war stopped. What is wrong with not wanting to pay higher taxes. What is wrong with wanting to stop spending and decrease the deficit. What is wrong with finding out what ACORN really is about. How bout Van Jones, the other crooked Czars. When we see our country being torn down/apart, what is wrong with standing up and saying so.

I respect your right to your own opinions, but to - be perfectly honest

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Glenn Beck could never come close to gaining respect from me. He is a pied piper and it is amazing to me that people listen to anything he says, or can look at him for more than a minute without the inner warning going off; more commonly known as "the yuck factor."

I have to ask this. Are you really impressed by his saying "don't believe me, research it for yourself?" Seriously?

I never said I was impressed. - Hmmm

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But it is a smart thing. Unlike Olberman and Matthews who believe you should just take their word for it.

Look...if you like him fine, if you don't you don't. I began this email because I was frustrated with his "preachy" attitude and asked the question if anyone had heard his show and did he really say there should not be separation of church and state. I wondered if I heard that correctly.

I know about Beck. I don't always trust him in what he says, but he brings up issues the main stream media will not. He asks the tough questions nobody is asking.

Will I watch him again? Truthfully I don't know. The other day I was fed up with him and his preachy attitude, but if he's the only one giving us the information, then it's important to watch.

I do respect others opinions of who they prefer to watch. A lot of people don't like him and that's fine. Their right to like whoever they choose, but there are others out there who are educated and do research and they enjoy his show and learn a lot on issues going on we don't get with the other groups.

In my opinion Olberman, Mathews & Maddow will never gain respect from me. They lost that privilege when I saw how they acted during the election, and when your station manager tells you that you will not be one of the front runners for covering the election because they got so many complaints and their ratings went down. They have shown they have done nothing to deserve my respect.

We each are different people. While Beck is your yuk factor, Olberman is mine. I don't understand for the same reasons you said about Beck, how people can listen to Olberman for more than a minute before losing their lunch (or dinner).

So, we each have different viewpoints and opinions on issues. That's what makes this country great. It would be very boring to live in a country where everyone agreed on every issue.

Okay, we have different "factors." I do want - to say though

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that Beck says, "you don't have to believe me, go research it yourself" to impress people. You must know that there are many folks who watch Beck that say to themselves, "wow, he really must be telling the truth or he wouldn't tell me to go look it up." It is a tactic he uses just like his fake tears and emotion.

Why would any intelligent thinking adult care, or even think about, whether someone expected him/her to believe what they say just because they said it. I am well aware that I can and should research things and have not needed or wanted urging to do so since I was a small child. Beck could say "you idiot" at the end of his invitation and it would be no more insulting. He's thinking it anyway I'm sure.

Beck takes advantage of easily excitable and emotional people who just don't know what he's up to. He's a boil on the butt of humanity.

Note: In case you haven't noticed, I have not brought comparisons into this conversation. It was a conversation solely about Beck as far as I'm concerned.

Fair? BECK IS GREAT! He is the main reason - Van Jones got caught too! yea!.nm

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Here's a link to his site and his explanation (sm) - Nikki

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of his 100-year plan:

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/33466/

For the record, you and I agree that the system is corrupt on BOTH sides, and I can understand why many people want a third party to emerge.

Here's another link regarding separation of church and state. (nm) - Nikki

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http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/17429/

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