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Ryan: Rape is just another

Posted: Aug 27, 2012

In an interview with Josh Smith, WJHL-TV out of Richmond, VA, when asked where he stands on the question of legal abortions for rape and incest victims, Paul Ryan replied:

"I'm very proud of my pro-life record, and I've always adopted the idea that, the position that the method of conception does'nt change the definition of life."

Lah-dee-dah. Rape is just another legitimate method of conception. This should erase any doubts on where he stands, and demolish any avenues of denial that Paul Ryan and Todd Akin are not cut from the same cloth on this issue.

Along those same lines, Tom Smith, GOP PA senate candidate thinks having a child out of wedlock is similar to rape, and proudly announces that choosing life is the proper thing for either mom.

GOP just keeps 'em coming out of the woodwork from all directions. I guess they just can't help themselves.

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The only reason I need not to vote for Romney or Ryan. - nm

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nm

Just a derpie attempt to bury a truthful thread - because-ABCDEFG

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their Anointed One such a total failure.

What's this childish "derpie" word I keep seeing? - Aunt Sue

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nm

I've wondered that, too.... - SK

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Maybe I'm a bit behind on lingo.

If I have to post "derpie" to stay up to date, I'll - stay behind, thanks. :)

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nm

Derp or Derpie started with the Libs - Imagine that

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they would sign their posts that way when they thought it would insult a repub or conservative poster. Then other posters picked it up. After the posters being constantly attacked by Libs started using whatthe Libs started, the Libs' head blew off - Imagine that! Now the Libs started doing it because, as usual, they think they are SOOOOOO funny and think it is an insult. All I can is what a bunch of "derpie Lib babies". Since Libs can't stand on issues or discuss them without the insults, guess this is all the Libs have to cling to.

I'm sick of all the insults. - Derp or otherwise.

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I don't know who started it, but the derps and other insults are getting harder and harder to skim by, because they're really beginning to take over the whole politics board.

Agree - Dominatrix

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Saddest of all, sometimes that garbage is inadvertently opened trying to get to a decent topic. There are some on this board that think every word out of their mouth is a pearl. Someone needs to break the news to them and let us get back to issues at hand.

Well that explains it then. Just as stupid as I thought. - LM

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nm

Evidently the first time around wingers thought it was clever, - so they co-opted the word

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and proceeded to run it into the ground with juvenile mindless overkill, thus transforming into a gag-reflex rhetorical bully tactic. They've had a lot of practice at table-turning that never works out in their favor, primarily because it's the creativity behind new and innovate approaches that gains recognition and respect, not copy-cat wannabes.

Only the left-wingers thought it clever - Everyone else recognized it for tripe it is

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No more overkill with that word then the endless garbage Libs post. Shows banal Lib posts for what they are. Go ahead, flick the Bic - got on my fire retardant undies.

You need to take a look at the post that started - the out of control behavior

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to appreciate how insane the reaction to "derp" has been. I'm pretty sure this one is it...

On 08/15, this post appeared: Well, why *would* the Ds object on behalf of Romney? That's for his own people to do. - (nm)

derp :D

That's it! That's the bee in the bonnet that launched the over reaction to derp. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did anyone proclaim themselves a Democrat or a liberal in that post? They could have been, but there's no way of knowing except, of course, for the fact that the poster dared to disagree with the POV of the one who was so outraged by derp.

It gets better when you see the reaction in the next post after being verbally assaulted by derp. I put it in the link below.

Between 08/15 and last night, there have been at least 8 posts (that actually had content) responded to with derp, and I'm sure I missed a few. Nothing else to add to the political conversation... just derp. And then when someone else starts using the same exact tactic - actually doing it better than they did - it's hate speech.

Go figure.

Have a derpy day.

The derp thing is - out of derping control.

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I think we should all just let it derping die already.

Appropriate substitution? - SK

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I still don't know what it means, but can it be used in place of the F'bomb? I really need to find a replacement for that in my vocabulary. LOL

This Republican woman... - annak

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...will not be voting for Romney/Ryan. The Republican party has swung too far to the right.

This Democratic woman - will not be voting for Obama

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Obama and the Democracts swing to far left.

So much for small government - annak

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I guess that's only something we pay lip service to. When it comes to a woman's uterus,the government has every right to be there. It's going to get interesting, not to mention expensive, when every miscarriage is a crime scene.

Oh God - what a drama mama - (roll eyes excessively) this is a doosy

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Let the govt into your uterus any time you want...maybe you can put up a toll booth.

Wow, why so hostile? - annak

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Yes, it's a contentious subject. Do you have to resort to insults? Not cool, and it says a lot about your character.

Wow, why so ridiculous and rude? - annak - Do you have to resort to insults? Not cool, says

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about your character or lack thereof...So easy.

I guess you can't help yourself either - Lah-dee-freakin-dah

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Put your coat hangers away, this is Paul Ryan’s personal belief, not Gov. Romney’s nor the GOP platform.

Romney’s stance is that abortion should be allowed for rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother.

For those of you, who want to murder babies because you decided to change your minds or were to careless to give a crap, let the evolutionists/baby killers pay for it, since their main concern is the planet is too crowded.

While you’re at it, why don’t you evolutionists do us all a favor and get yourselves spayed or neutered.

Apples and Oranges - Dara

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Ryan saying, "...the method of conception does'nt (sic) change the definition of life" is fundamentally different than your saying "Rape is just another legitimate method of conception."

a.k.a.: "DEFINITION OF LIFE" does not compare to "LEGITIMATE METHOD OF CONCEPTION."

Apples and Oranges.

Good luck with any common sense definition - getting through to a Lib

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Common sense is not in their DNA. I think they are so desparate at this point because Obama is such a major lose.

Would you just STOP with the generalized - insults? Enough already NM

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Follow your own advice, come on you FIRST - YOU STOP THE NAMECALLING

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and the rude comments, insults, condescension, abuse, harassment and the list goes on.

I agree, the insults and namecalling... - annak

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are getting way out of hand. Is it possible to have a civilized discussion or not?

Not unless or until a certain bitter con poster - gets off the board and

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leaves the discussion to the rational, civil participants of both parties.

You're right ... - dds

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...a "definition" is not a "method." Two different things.

That's right! It's a gift from God and your rapist! - ABCDErp

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Heck, with your rapist being such a generous swell guy, it shouldn't even be a crime. Why can't men be so lucky to be walking down the street minding their own business and have someone just come up and give 'em a present? Plus, if a woman got pregnant, it probably wasn't rape anyway. This is ridiculous. Sorry, but no one is going to tell me that I have to be pregnant. And I'm pretty sure there are many women who feel the same way. And, quite frankly, it's not Paul Ryan or anyone else's business how I conceived. As for his definition of life, he needs to take a biology refresher course and realize that he cannot force his religious views on everyone.

Ryan's not forcing his religious views on you - Sweetie

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His personal views are not murdering/butchering/killing a baby. Those are his PERSONAL views, you don't have to accept them. His views are not going to change or stop the fact that abortions will still be performed today, tomorrow or next year.

So don't worry your pretty little head.

Sweetie? Pretty? Are you hitting on me??!? - ABCDErp

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Oh wait... You're just being condescending. Now I get it. What I dont't get are the first 2 lines of your post (?), but I wouldn't be too sure that he won't try reeeeeeally hard to make sure laws reflect his views, or this conversation wouldn't be taking place.

I can't help but wonder how it would work if they got their way and abortion would only be an option in cases of rape/incest. What kind of questioning would the woman have to go through? Would reporting it to the police be mandatory? What kind a rape qualifies as a good enough raping according to them to be "legitimate?" And with all this talk about not being able to get pregnant from rape... I'm starting to worry my pretty little head again because it's downright scary.

Ryan: Rape is just another - method of conception. - So much low level ignorance here

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it speaks for itself. Not to mention the complete distortion of what Ryan said. Typical.

That was taken out of context - Imagine that - sm

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He did not say rape was a method of contraception. Jeepers people, at least don't make it so obvious you are taking things out of context.

1. He's proud of his pro-life record.
2. Whatever type of contrception someone uses so they don't get pregnant does not change the definition of life (he was not even talking about rape).

Pretty easy message yet the liberals can't even get get it right. They take two different subject matters and in some insane method of thinking put them together to create something he didn't even say.

He never said that rape is a method of contraception. But then again you knew that.

Liberals just keeps 'em coming out of the woodwork from all directions. I guess they just can't help themselves.

Wi

umm. contraception and conception... - reread your post NM

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Looking at it from another angle..... - SK

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Is a fetus, conceived in a petri dish and implanted in a woman, a space alien?

What about a fetus conceived via sperm donation?

What Paul Ryan said is, "The method of conception doesn't change the definition of life."

I don't have to agree with his stance on abortion, but I can acknowledge that he's absolutely right in what he ACTUALLY said (which certainly was NOT that rape is just another method of conception).

Please read - GoodMorning

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I know what you're saying, but I have to disagree a little.

An egg can be fertilized outside the body, and the conception part comes when a woman who is a willing participant decides to have it implanted and it attaches to the uterus. It's voluntary.

When a woman gets pregnant through rape, it's not voluntary. And conception/pregnancy should not be a sentence or even a punishment to satisfy someone else's religious beliefs and political agenda. Many women who have been through this do not see what is happening to them as some wonderful gift of conception and do not consider what they have been left with to be life... they see it as a disease process, a medical condition, another injury as a result of their attack - just like cuts, bruises, broken bones, etc. - that needs to be treated medically to restore (at least their physical body) back to the way it was before this happened to them. Then come the years of treating the psychological part. When someone suggests - based on their religion - that this is some sort of blessing and tries to make laws reflecting such to limit a woman's options, it's cruel, and many of us see it as denying a woman access to medical treatment and controlling what goes on between her and her doctor, delaying the psychological recovery process at least months if not years or a lifetime, and reducing her to less than human status by denying her the right that any victim of crime/disaster has to try to restore their life to the way it was before.

You cannot make an argument for life/personhood at fertilization or conception without bringing the Bible or some other religious view into it. And women shouldn't have to be incubators - especially in cases of rape - to please someone else's God.

Basically, my point is who cares what Paul Ryan (or any politician) thinks about conception or what his definition of life is. He wasn't elected to preach, was he? It's not his business what the circumstances are surrounding any woman's conception, and a woman shouldn't have to pass his moral sniff test before she seeks treatment for her medical condition... whether it's prenatal care or termination. If he can't separate his job from his church, he needs to find a new line of work.

That's all. Enjoy your day.

Well said! nm - minion

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An entirely different matter..... - SK

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Respectfully, you're attaching a completely different topic to what I said. I simply commented on the definition of "life."

I could have kept my post a lot shorter but I just wanted to add - insight to my POV

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I could have summed it up by saying "who cares what Paul Ryan thinks."

The definition of life varies from person to person. There are those who believe that it begins at fertilization or conception based on their faith. There are others who believe that it does not start until a fetus is fully formed and capable of sustaining it's own life or close enough to it that medical intervention would work in case of preterm delivery. There are others who take quality of life into consideration when defining life (these would be the later term pregnancies diagnosed with a devastating condition, i.e, yes, you might carry that anencephalic pregnancy to term, but the baby will have no life). And there are others who have been raped who don't believe that there is life there at all.

Those who have faith-based opinions regarding when life begins can apply that thinking to their own lives and make their decisions based on such. They are more than free to do so. However, those who have those same faith-based opinions and want to be elected to office better be able to put their duty to represent the people - and we all have the right to believe differently - in front of their own personal beliefs/agenda.

What a politician's definition of life is shouldn't even be a conversation.

In an interview with Bret Baier, this is what he said: - backwards typist

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Bret: “You co-sponsored legislation seeking to distinguish between statutory and forcible rape. Why?”

Ryan: “Well, look. All of these bills were bills to stop taxpayer financing of abortion,” Ryan said. “Most Americans agree with us, including pro-choice Americans, that we shouldn’t use hardworking taxpayer dollars to finance abortion. Rape is rape, period. This is language that was stock language used for lots of different bills – bills I didn’t author – and that language was removed, to be very clear, and I agree with that, removing that language so we are very clear. Rape is rape, period. End of story.”

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