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Posted: Oct 30, 2012

This is no time to decentralize and throw all the states on their own. Are these guys' brains engaged, or is states-right ideology being applied where the most basic common sense says it doesn't belong?

This is just the beginning. Climate change means many more and worse natural disasters of the sort we are seeing right now and many others. FEMA's job is specifically to COORDINATE responses to diisasters too big for the resources of individual states. When 1000-mile-wide storms are the new reality, Romney's plan to put each state on its own is profoundly incompetent. 

Costs would RISE because of unnecessary duplication of equipment among the 50 states. Just for instance, this time around FEMA brought generators to hospitals and other important facilities in a dozen states, so neither the facilities nor the local governments had to purchase and maintain their own. Some of these generators will be on their way to another disaster somewhere else soon.

Doing it Romney's way, disaster responses would fail much more often. FEMA was created specifically because state and local responses could not meet many problems that were too large and overwhelmed them. Local emergency management is often devastated by the disaster that has struck.

FEMA not only comes in from outside the disaster area with massive equipment and relief supplies, it also provides high-grade experts to advise local governments faced with failing dams, diseased water, power outages, mud slides, need to move people quickly, and on and on. 

I swear, every week that goes by Mr. IF-You're-Going-To-Have-Women-Working shows us another reason why he should not be president of the United States. We don't need another W unable to understand what he's gotten himself into, much less one who lacks even W's basic decency and humility. At least W was ultimately capable of understanding when he was wrong (for whatever that's worth), but I'm afraid that Romney may not be.

 

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You think in the history of world we have never had these kinds of storms - a

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I remember in the early 1970's everyone was screaming about the new ice age that was supposed to happen by now, never happened. They screamed about population explosion and we wouldn't have enough food in the world to feed the people that was supposed to happen by now, didn't happen.

20 years from now, we will see that all this environmental alarmism didn't pan out. We had severe draughts in the mid 1900's. There have been colder periods, warmer periods, drier periods, wetter periods than we have now. The climate ALWAYS changes. We only have a few hundred years of data to compare to. The world is billions of years old. I am sure there have been much bigger storms in the past. You haven't proven any points as scientists are proven wrong about future climates more often than not(sometimes proven right I will admit, but this world is too complex for us humans to ever truly understand or predict what it will do).

That wasn't the point. - RC

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The point was that because of these disasters, which will always happen, it is important to have FEMA. It needs to be revamped, but taking it away and not replacing it with something else would be horrible.

Why can't it be done at the state level? - a

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If the federal government took less money from the states, the states could do more on their own.

Instead of providing funds/stuff, the could just provide a coordinating/informational role.
A, it IS done at state, city, county and private levels. It will - continue to be done locally. ALSO. NM
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FEMA's the big guy for the real big, big problems. - Handlable ones are handled locally. nm
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Every time there is a disaster States automatically go to FEMA now - k
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FEMA has created a dependency on federal money. State and local governments no longer try to figure out what they can do anymore, they immediately think, how can we get FEMA to bail us out?

At least that is the way it is in NY.
Nonsense. Governors have the choice of calling on FEMA - or not and they prefer to handle themselves. nm
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Have to agree with the others - Fanatical Hypocrite
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The states lack the ability to coordinate on a national level, don't have the amounts of money necessary and would be too isolated to do what needs to be done. If we could take less money from the states so they can fund their own disaster relief, why don't we keep taking that money and keep using it to fund FEMA? Also, let's say you're Florida. You get hit by the worst hurricane of all time. Your disaster relief team is underwater. Your emergency response services are stalled. You call Georgia for help because you can't handle it on your own. The Georgia governor informs you that their state congress stripped funding for their emergency services so they could buy the world's largest cotton candy machine as a political stunt. So you call Mississippi and find out that their service still exists, but it's too small to help and still save their own people. The reason why we pool emergency response services as a country is that it is at least far less likely that the entire country will be affected equally by any one disaster and thus all the states that haven't been affected can help those that were. It's called patriotism and coming together as a nation to help your fellow Americans. That's been a bedrock of our country since the New Deal.

While I understand your point, I must wholeheartedly disagree. The new ideology regarding the states seems to be based on the European Union. This idea that one can prevent corruption and balance power by shrinking the federal government and making the states into little autonomous countries is naive. The states have as much if not more corruption half the time than the feds.

And if I ever decide to leave my state, I don't want to have to look up the entire legal code of the new state to see whether or not the Republic of Oklahoma has legalized child labor or the Kingdom of Indiana now uses salt for currency. It's bad enough now. Nevada has prostitution, Arizona doesn't allow Latinos, Florida legalized murder, etc.
Warning - cold hearted comment coming up - zz
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When you live in Florida, for example, you know there will be hurricances. That is a risk you chose to take. That is one reason I wouldn't move to Florida. They should be ready for the consequences of living there. Same thing goes for living on the coast that is frequently flooded. You made the choice, you live with the consequences. Natural disasters have always been there.

Federal programs are more likely to run into fraud and waste. It is easier for people to justify stealing from a big government all the way over in DC. There is so much corruption in federal programs compared to local programs. Sometimes they seemed to be designed to not uncover it. Governments run on baseline budgets meaning if they don't spend it, they lose it.

People living in areas often hit with natural disasters should pay for separate insurance riders that cover that damage. I don't need FEMA to figure out what I should do. We lost power and I had to run around and find an overpriced generator. Now, I learned my lesson and have a generator. Didn't need FEMA to bail me out. We need to transfer the risk to people that live in places where there are frequent natural disasters instead of making others pay.


There is no one-size fits all government. I think it is great that states have different laws. Each state and population has a different need than another. In NY we need salt for our roads for the snow in winter. What if a southern state that doesn't need salt for their roads gets to decide how much we can spend on salt? I will someday move to a state that has laws that I like.

That is my opinion and you have yours.
Spoken like a true pub....sm - JTBB
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You are making the assumption that everyone that lives on the coast or in tornado alley, etc have the means to be able to move at will. That would be a false assumption. Example: Mississippi..the poorest state in the Union. During thier last disaster, there were many who didn't even have the means to evacuate, much less move.

I don't think what you're saying is cold hearted, but rather uninformed.
ZZ, why is Greater Mexico City's population over 21 million? - Most in vast slums. Clue in this thread. nm
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I hope we never get to a point where - grits
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"I got mine, stinks to be you" is the rule of law.

In the 1970s I was in college geology learning about global warming - and glaciers. Sensible people NEVER "screamed

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about a coming ice age--although there are always those who are just plain silly.

As for the history of the world, this IS the first era when we have nations of hundreds of millions of people, when cities of several million are COMMON, when satellite systems give warning well ahead of disaster.

However people died in past eons, when they had no advance notice and no resources beyond running helplessly for their lives or trying to hide under a rock, it's DIFFERENT now.

I was in elementary school and there was no balance - a

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As a kid, there were just tons of articles in publications we got from school (I lived in the Bronx at the time) warning about the coming ice age and population explosion. There were no articles saying it might or might not happen, only that it will happen.
A, having to change operations is was a big threat to business. - This ice age stuff was mostly to offset what scien
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were beginning to warn about. The problem was that, although scientists KNEW it was happening and generally why, there were still enormous questions to be answered, not enough hard data available to PROVE what they were saying, and too much uncertainty. Business's lies won, even though by the mid 1980s scientists had all the information needed to prove it WAS unquestionably happening.

Note the even though big questions remained and remain about how climates will change around the globe, everything our professor in the early 1970s told us has come to happen. That's over 40 years of watching people swallow lies while the entire planet has been increasingly devastated. Our own big change? To SUVs!
Always business' lies and scientists' truths - what about climategate - a
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What about all those emails uncovered showing that scientists lied about information supposedly supporting global warming. Everyone has an agenda whether you want to believe or not.

Al Gore, the biggest supporter of global warming owns a company that sells carbon credits.

Carbon credits was such a joke, you can produce as much carbon as you want as long as you purchase carbon credits? Looks like the rich can pollute all the want and can just purchase carbon credits to be absolved of it? Sounds pretty stupid to me.

What about all those people that fly here and there to attend Earth Day's when you can easily just do it online and not pollute the planet. More hypocrisy.
What ABOUT it? - Silly stuff. nm
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I was taught that climate change came on because of the rain forests being cut down - Truthhurts
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and you know what? That's what I believe. Severe weather changes like this didn't really happen a lot until they started cutting down the rain forests back in the 70s.

I also believe El Nino and El Nina have a lot to do with it, too.

Sure, there were heavy snows but rarely heard of snow and ice in the south. It may have occurred but most people may not have heard about it because communications and weather reporting wasn't like it is today.

That's my opinion for today. Carry on. :)
Sure. Rain forests are/were a cooling band around the equator. - Huge factor in carbon emissions. I once drove
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all over the area where the Yucatan Peninsula meets Belize with DH to see the last rain forest in that part of Mexico, but it was already gone in the 2 years after our guidebook was published. We drove through miles of sun-baked cleared lands instead. Empty and ugly and a real disaster.

In many ways I wish global climate change - Fanatical Hypocrite

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had never been brought up. People's lives are too short to really notice the effects first hand and now it's created this huge environmental loophole of "There's no global warming, so we can [keep using fossil fuels/not have emergency response teams/disband the fire department/strip mine the east coast/cut down every tree on the planet/throw our big gulps out the window of our car/dump several billion tons of phosphorous into our drinking water]."

I mean the planet has always had massive environmental shifts and maybe human beings haven't significantly altered this. I think that's ridiculous when you consider that America alone produces 150 million tons of air pollution a year. It's hard to imagine 1 ton of carbon particulate in the air, much less that much, and then it not having an effect would be strange.

But I get the difficulty. It's not something any one of us can ever be sure about because we will live and die in a span of time that precludes knowing whether it all breaks and the climate returns to being moderate. In the meantime, there's no climate change has become the rallying cry for not caring about air, water and ground pollution. I live near a pair of lakes and a river you can't swim in because so many farms dump their fertilizer into it that it has caused dangerous algal blooms.

Maybe the science isn't in on global warming, but it's sure in for pollution.

So, in a similar line of thought, the science is also in that disasters will continue to happen. Many of them quite terrible. I want an organization like FEMA around to do what they can, even if they drop the ball sometimes.

Vegetarians help control this pollution - v

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I am a conservative and are voting for Romney; however, I am a vegetarian. You realize the amount of fertilizer used to provide 1 lb of meat versus 1 lb of vegetables? Night and day. Also, the amount of water used to produce 1 lb of meat and 1 lb of vegetables. Night and day. This is a simple thing we can do.

I can agree with you on pollutants other than carbon dioxide. The carbon dioxide provides food for plant life. It is the other emissions that can be harmful. However, we have to be careful of what we replace fossil fuels with. Ehtanol shortens the life of emission controls on our cars resulting in the need for earlier replacement parts. Electric cars use electricity that has to be produced somehow, and oil and coal are the cheapest most readily available right now. Whenever someone wants to put up windmills, people say not in my back yard, and they kill birds. Solar panels take up a lot of real estate and if you live in a cloudy place, can't produce enough electricity to make it affordable. And government subsidies don't cut it as it just means less money to spend on your precious social programs.

I don't know the right thing to do. But in this economy, we have to focus on improving our economy. Some things will have to take a back seat because we are running out of money. No one is buying our bonds and we just keep increasing the money supply to fund our government. The money supply has tripled during Obama's administration. It will come crashing down even if you were to tax the top 10% at 100
%. Open your eyes. It will happen if we keep going the way we are going.

What planet do you live on??? - Gray

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Population explosion and not enough food to feed people didn't happen? Wow.

So this world is too complex for us humans to truly understand, so let's just disregard what we ARE capable of understanding and continue doing things that we know are damaging to the planet.

Hi, Gray. Fan's considering having his own planet someday - but now he's mostly pretty down to earth.

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Seems worrying about climate just isn't in style right now. Reminds me of FDR's 1939-40 when he KNEW we'd be dragged into WW2 but no one wanted to hear it or believe. He worked hard as he could unofficially to prepare for it but seldom mentioned it, and I believe that's where Obama is right now.

It shouldn't take TOO many more disasters for people to finally get tired of that crick in their necks and pull their heads the rest of the way out of the sand. After all, even Fox USUALLY now agrees it's happening, just that the everyone was totally wrong in everything they ever said about it before. :)

SORRY, guys. Just realized Gray was talking to someone else, - but my password won't let me back in. :(
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Yeah, I can't figure out how to get a post under what I am responding too. - Gray
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It always puts it way down at the bottom of everything that are often a different train of thought. Oh well.

What Romney might not be - pookbina

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I totally agree with you. There are aspects of Romney's plans and budget that are just not reasonable and lack common sense and planning. What you are saying sounds very sensible, and I just don't think Romney will care anything at all about the small folks or those in need.

Where can I see this reputed plan of Romney's - please?

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