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Posted: Mar 1, 2013

like that poor guy in Florida last night. From the NY Times, entire article at link below.

 

Study of Ice Age Bolsters Carbon and Warming Link

 

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A meticulous new analysis of Antarctic ice suggests that the sharp warming that ended the last ice age occurred in lock step with increases of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, the latest of many indications that the gas is a powerful influence on the earth’s climate.

Frédéric Parrenin

A thin sample taken from the Talos Dome ice core, which was collected in 2005-06 in Antarctica. Polarized light highlights the ice crystals that make up the sample.

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Previous research suggested that as the world began to emerge from the depths of the ice age about 20,000 years ago, warming in Antarctica preceded changes in the global carbon dioxide level by something like 800 years.

That relatively long gap led some climate-change contrarians to assert that rising carbon dioxide levels were essentially irrelevant to the earth’s temperature — a side effect of planetary warming, perhaps, but not the cause.

Mainstream climate scientists rejected that view and argued that carbon dioxide, while it certainly did not initiate the end of the ice age, played a vital role in the feedback loops that caused a substantial warming. Still, a long gap between initial increases of temperature and of carbon dioxide was somewhat difficult for the scientists to explain.

A wave of new research in the last few years has raised the likelihood that there was actually a small gap, if any.

The latest paper was led by Frédéric Parrenin of the University of Grenoble, in France, and is scheduled for publication on Friday in the journal Science. Using relatively new, high-precision chemical techniques, his group sought to reconstruct the exact timing of the events that ended the ice age.

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I don't know anybody who denies climate change - sm

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unless you mean MANMADE climate change. That's a different story.

I've never gotten the idea - Fanatical Hypocrite

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of taking that chance before. Sure, man-made climate change is just a theory, but it's a theory with huge international consensus and it makes sense. The idea that putting billions of tons of particulate matter into the atmosphere would effect nothing is kind of weird. But since no one understands how the entire world works, there's a possibility climate change is perfectly natural and not being accelerated or altered by human beings. The problem is that if climate scientists are right and we take steps to alter our behavior, then we've saved the world. If climate scientists are wrong and we change our ways, then we lowered the amount of pollution in the air and water. If the climate scientists are right and we don't do anything, we just contributed to untold deaths and suffering for future generations. It's such a gamble I simply don't understand it. I can't believe that anti-environmentalists would take such a risk with their children, grandchildren and so on.

I'm utterly baffled by this idea that fossil fuels are infinite and that the world can support any population of humans from 7-12 billion. No amount of phosphates and nitrates in the water can cause algal blooms. No amount of smog can harm people or birds. No matter how many species die it won't effect the food chain. Oil spills don't hurt marine life or at least marine life has nothing to do with humanity. Drinkable water isn't running out. There will always be enough food for people. A couple months or years of a cheaply paying coal mining job is worth a missing mountain. We should fight every war OPEC needs us to while much of the money goes to support our enemies. Forests and rainforests are in the way of prime spots for parking lots and shopping centers anyway. We should automatically trust what corporations say about fracking. The massive subsidies required to extract shale oil to make it profitable are worth it to squeeze the last couple drops out. Landfills are infinite and we can always use the Texas sized trash island in the Pacific for Survivor: Trash Island.

There's so many factors to this and climate change is only one part of the big picture. However, the sad truth is that it doesn't really matter whether we take steps to change or not. The planet is a system of balance that cares very little for the species that inhabit it. The deaths of a few billion humans through starvation, thirst, disease and disasters will restore that balance. And anti-environmentalists can always claim: "You can't prove it was us."

Pollution vs. climate change - -

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Two different entities. One's in man's control, the other is not.
Yet they are the same thing - Fanatical Hypocrite
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Pollution may or may not be causing climate change, but it's still pollution. My point was just that if we fight emissions, we fight air pollution. How would we deal with pollution without coincidentally dealing with the concerns of climate scientists?

For instance, coal power plants are considered a primary cause of global warming, but before anyone heard of global warming or climate change, they were seen to cause acid rain. The trees of the Adirondacks were denuded across vast areas by coal production. Run off sludge from coal mining has left numerous rivers undrinkable and fishless. Countless miners have suffered serious health consequences such as black lung from the mining of it. I do reports for hospitals in Appalachia and you would be amazed at the number of cases of pneumoconiosis I've seen. So if we deal with the waste products of coal, we aren't just helping prevent climate change, but cleaning up our air and saving lives. Actually, saving whole towns in the east.

SM, depending on your age, I'm thinking YOU for 2 to 4 - decades? You were wrong all that time, AND

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now that you've finally been forced to admit it's happening (though you still don't begin to admit what you've done), you're still wrong. My grandchildren will live in a different, vastly inferior world, and even though you'll probably die refusing to admit your wrongs, I will never, ever excuse your part in bringing us to this.

This was never the stupid my team against them game you've been playing.

Sink holes are usually due to a Big earthquake - coming, like the New Madrid

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earthquake which possibly is waking up and due any time.

usually? no. - nm

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