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Racism linked with gun ownership and opposition to gun control in


Posted: Nov 7, 2013

Racism linked with gun ownership and opposition to gun control in white Americans

Oct 31, 2013

A new study has found that higher levels of racism in white Americans is associated with having a gun in the home and greater opposition to gun control policies.

The research, published in PLoS One, was led by Dr Kerry O'Brien from The University of Manchester and Monash University and used data from a large representative sample of white US voters.

After accounting for numerous other factors such as income, education and political ideology, the researchers found that for each one point increase (on a scale from one to five) in symbolic  there was a 50 percent increase in the odds of having a gun in the home and a 28 percent increase in support for policies allowing people to carry concealed guns.

Each one point increase in symbolic racism (a modern measure of anti-black racism) was also associated with a 27 percent increase in the odds of opposing bans on hand guns in the home. After accounting for those who already had a gun in the home, the odds were reduced to a non-significant 17 percent increase. However, the authors note that this reduction is unsurprising as opposition to bans on guns equates to self interest on behalf of those who already own a gun and do not wish to give it up. And racism was already strongly associated with having a gun in the home.

The research was stimulated by gun control debates in the US after mass shootings such as the Sandy Hook tragedy, and research showing that with all things being equal black Americans are more likely to be shot than whites. The most recent figures show that there are approximately 38,000 gun related deaths in the US each year. With other research suggesting that having a gun in the home is related to a 2.7 and 4.8 fold increase in the risk of a member of that home dying from homicide or suicide, respectively.

Dr O'Brien said: "Coming from countries with strong gun control policies, and a 30-fold lower rate of gun-related homicides, we found the arguments for opposing gun control counterintuitive and somewhat illogical. For example, US whites oppose gun control to a far greater extent than do blacks, but whites are actually more likely to kill themselves with their guns, than be killed by someone else. Why would you keep them? So we decided to examine what social and psychological factors predict gun ownership and opposition to gun control."

Conservatism, anti-government sentiment, party identification, being from a southern state, were also associated with opposition to gun controls, but the association between racism and the gun-related outcomes remained after accounting for these factors and other participant characteristics (age, education, income, gender).

Symbolic racism supplanted old-fashioned or overt/blatant racism which was associated with open support for race inequality and segregation under 'Jim Crow Laws', but it still captures the anti-black sentiment and traditional values that underpinned blatant racism. Symbolic racism has also been found to be related to stronger opposition to policies that may benefit blacks (e.g. welfare), and greater support for policies that seem to disadvantage blacks (e.g. longer prison sentences).

Study co-author Dr Dermot Lynott, from Lancaster University, said: "We were initially surprised that no one had studied this issue before; however, the US government cut research funding for gun-related research over decade and a half ago, so research in this area has been somewhat suppressed."

Dr O'Brien said: "According to a Pew Research Center report the majority of white Americans support stricter , but the results of our study suggest that those who oppose  reform tend to have a stronger racial bias, tend to be politically and ideologically conservative and from southern states, and have higher anti-government sentiment."

He added: "The study is a first step, but there needs to be more investment in empirical research around how racial bias may influence people's  decisions, particularly those policies that impact on the health and wellbeing of US citizens."

http://phys.org/news/2013-10-racism-linked-gun-ownership-opposition.html

edited to add:  link to study: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0077552

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Oh what a bunch of bull-oney - Sick of this crap

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Okay, know crap will get starred, but I don't care. I'm really getting sick of hearing this BS that people who have no idea what they are writing about actually are able to publish such garbage.

This is nothing against you personally. This is against the person who wrote this piece of garbage. There is absolutely NO proof whatsoever of what he/she wrote (and I way wrote for lack of better words). It's obviously written by someone who hates guns, maybe a govt goon trying to put the fear out there that anyone who has a gun is a racist.

I know, I'll make up my own little poll of something so outrageous, like "A new study has shown that all democrats are pedofiles" and then back it up with phony info. Or "A new study shows that people who don't own guns are closet communists" or some lame crap like that. Yeah, I said it again...it's crap. Crap, crap, crap, crap, crap. Go ahead and report me. The article will still be crap. LOL

I believe this calls into question, to put it mildly, the source - of another poster. Not that I am objecting

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to it since it is not possible to have full, intelligent discussion while not being able to address the validity of sources invoked. And this person is just stating what I suspect to be her honest opinion. I've certainly never had a problem with people responding to articles from my favorite paper, the N.Y. Times (more Pulitzers than all the others put together), by dismissing it as a liberal propaganda rag stuffed with lies.

Nevertheless, it is currently a strike violation. I know because a statement of mine yesterday, mostly agreeing with that OP's, was struck for suggesting in passing that a source was questionable.

I would hope that this practice would be reviewed and perhaps discarded, though, for the reason above. In addition, though, since some of a certain political bent tend to use a very high percentage of sources that exist specifically to lie, and others tend to use far more honest and properly documented sources, enforcing this rule greatly benefits one group over another.

Truth should rule.

BTW, it would be very helpful to have a list of these hazards posted. My strike for what I thought was a sensible and reasonable little interjection came as a complete surprise to me.

Oh, and goodbye if it comes to that. FT

So new boss same as the old boss? Sad to hear it, but not surprised. - OP

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I'm not going to report the above even if it is a strike violation, though, because I agree with you that the whole policy should just be discarded. Especially since it seemingly still can't or won't be fairly enforced with regard to both sides of the aisle.*


*though maybe I should  report it just to test that out now.

No, I did not say that. We can't expect rollouts to - be without glitches. :) And I support the intentio
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to make this site more friendly for everyone.

But your source is some unknown university researcher in Australia. If the other poster had simply said that this person's bona fides were unknown to her, that reasonable statement alone would have "called into question" your source. As did my glancing, unspecific reference to the very well documented unsavory reputation of another source.

nice post - sm

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I agree that it's not really possible to discuss a story without discussing its source. I have never really gotten why it's not okay to discuss the relative risks and benefits of different news outlets, some of which are known for journalistic integrity, and others less so. I don't think it's at all inappropriate to remark that a source may be more right- or left-leaning; I don't think it's inappropriate to question the validity of the news we get or where it comes from. Without this essential line of inquiry, it's not even worth discussing politics.

I find your post here to be very even-handed, particularly with respect to your acceptance and understanding of other posters' opinions. I find it disappointing that a reasonable interjection on your part became elevated to a high crime.

I would agree that it would be helpful to have a list of these hazards posted, lest the board devolve into a shooting match of who reports whom first.

It still amazes me to be on a site frequented by medical professionals who... - OP

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just dismiss scientific findings out of hand.  The cognitive dissonance is deafening.  If you'd like to dispute the study's design, that's one thing, but it's not "phony" simply because you say so.  I'm not saying that "bad science" doesn't exist, but show me what the supposed actual problem is with the methodology of the study I posted rather than just wearing out your c, r, a, and p keys, please.


 


edited to add:  Regarding "no idea what [he's] writing about" (and since FT mentioned bona fides): 


http://profiles.arts.monash.edu.au/kerry-obrien/research/


http://profiles.arts.monash.edu.au/kerry-obrien/publications/

Well, MT demographics suggest this site may be drawing - a few from outside this field. nm

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no kidding!! - I would say MORE
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than a "few," and the very ones that love attacking anything different from their opinions.
Well again, to be fair I'm guessing MTs represent the entire - political spectrum. Why wouldn't we? nm
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The problem is - Sick of this crap

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The article you provided is not based on any "scientific" findings. It was a blog, (i.e. someone's opinion).
Incorrect. I've added link above to the original study that was being reported on. - OP (nm)
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No surprise, although with 38% of households armed, - one should not assume. Semi-auto owners

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are more likely to binge drink, according to a Harvard study. Isn't that a happy little tidbit?

And, of the 38% of households with guns, half have 4 or more. We actually fall in that group; DH used to be a hunter and is still fond of his little collection. The shotgun I keep under my side of the bed (our home's pretty isolated) is semi-auto, but, no, my age and sex correlate with less likelihood of binge drinking. :)

I agree, not really a surprise, but confirmation is good. Thanks for the HSPH link. - OP (nm)

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gun ownership - Joyce

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My gun ownership is for skunks - the kind that kill my chickens......it is for the occasional rabid raccoon or skunk that comes up onto my deck in the middle of the day....it is for the deer that someone hit out on the highway that is suffering and needs to be put out of its misery. My husband's gun is for deer hunting - he loves to hunt and he donates the meat to the local food pantry......that folks, is the reality of guns for a lot of Americans in "fly-over country" - I am one who clings to my guns and my Bible and I am proud of it....
Racist? LOL. We don't have time for that here.....if someone moves in that is a different color or religion - as long as he/she works for a living, takes good care of the family and smiles and says hello when we meet them on the street - hey, what's not to like?

Glad to see a few non-'doth protest too much' posts from gun owners. - OP

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My ex and I even would have fallen under the purview of this study back in the day, since he had a muzzleloader for his Civil War Reenactment hobby.  (Or does a muzzleloader really count, lol.  It did for my daughter's pediatricians, who would ask if there were any guns in the home.)


The above study results are about increased levels  of racism (and opposition to gun control) and not an indictiment of 100% of gun owners. 

I would be interested to see a - study

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done on illegal gun possession, racial bias, and where those people tend to live.

I think it's unfair to link gun ownership to racism, even if the writer isn't talking about every gun owner. I don't own a gun, but we have two very nice families that live next door and across the street that have quite a few guns and bows and arrows used for hunting season, ground hogs, etc. And they just happen to be black.

It's just a matter of counting, not "fairness." As you say, - it does not hold true for everyone,

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it's just a correlation, a strong one, but by its own numbers many millions don't follow the pattern that is revealed.

Like checking to see if what correlations there might be between people who keep Coca-Cola on hand, those who don't drink soft drinks, and those who usually have a bottom of rum in the house.

I think none would be surprised to find a higher correlation between Coca-Cola drinkers and rum purchasers, compared to people who don't like Coke. Yet there are millions of the latter. I'm one. I prefer my rum in cakes but will take it with tonic water and lime too. FT

You're right... - ZvilleMT

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If one is looking for a correlation, they can usually find it. I guess I just find it interesting how much racism is being "studied" these days and wonder how much of it is real and true racism (those who actually hate those from another race). I know real racism exists, but it upsets me the way it's thrown around anymore to cover any broad range of grievances.
Excellent post - 1 of few conservatives here
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Your first statement said it all. Something that has needed to be said "If one is looking for a correlation, they can usually find it".

Most of the racism people study or talk about is not true racism, which is not good because then it lessens the severity of the real cases of racism. When being called a racist is thrown around as a scare tactic it's pretty easy to spot that.

However, to associate racism with a person who owns guns is just ludicrous. That would be like saying people who drink grape soda are racists. The article did not give a person's name who wrote it, so there is no way anyone can research who this person is. Was it written by a machine? Some link attached had a UK address. Does the article pertain to UK people or are they just targeting the American white male.

I did not find the article to be credible at all no matter how many "statistics" they added. It was also hard to read the whole thing without the taste of bile from reading such a dim-witted article.
A black girl was shot dead when her car broke down - in a white neighborhood and she knocked
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on a door to get help. The owner may not have been a hate-filled-type racist, but she's dead.

On average, equally qualified black applicants have to apply for several times the jobs white applicants do before they get hired; in bad times, they're not hired in far higher numbers. They're also on average let go in down times in higher numbers. No flaming haters need be involved: benign, "who, me?" racism is enough to destroy dreams all by itself.
That has nothing to do with what the original post is about - On the same hand I can say
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A lot of white people are killed by black people. Lots of neighborhoods are terrorized (both black and white). I don't answer my door at night because in today's day and age you don't know who the other person is on the other side of the door or what their intent are. It has nothing to do with racism, it has everything to do with fearing that your home will be broken into or you'll be raped. It's not a race thing, its a personal safety thing. The rest of your post has nothing to do with the OP's post that we have been discussing.
Actually, the Renisha McBride case is part of what inspired me to post info on this study. - OP (nm)
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These Kinds Of Studies Can Be Informative And Interesting, But.... - *Seriously

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It's nothing, IMO, to get all worked up about. It's probably true to a degree and probably not true when viewed at another angle. It's not uncommon that a person might inherit firearms/war collectibles yet not be racist in the least.

Everyone's situation is different.

Such as, the South has a tradition of both rural lilfe - (guns) and racism. I live here, and

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I'm sure guns ALSO correlate with both longstanding rural traditions and rural poverty (a way to feed a family).

However, racism also correlates very strongly with fear and animosity, as does gun ownership.

There's Some Truth In There, Sad To Say - *Seriously

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Unless a person has lived or travelled extensively in the deep South, they might not realize that this study has merit from a certain perspective. Without going into details, I have actually accidentally stumbled upon a KKK rally. My friend and I were actually taken at gunpoint by what appeared to be about a 15-year-old and questioned by some "adults" until we could convince them we just stumbled upon them by accident and had no intentions of causing ill will, etc. It did cross my mind that had either of us actually been a minority, what might have happened?

I learned a lot that day. Believe me when I tell you that so many that do oppose gun control live in the South, that racism is alive and well there, and that many of them do carry guns and oppose gun control for exactly those reasons (in addition to other reasons).

Having said all that, in other parts of the country, it's an entire different scenario, and I completely don't find that to be true at all.

I am racist because I own 6 guns in my house? - What a bunch of bull,.

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I LOVE to target shoot with my husband. I own a 12G shotgun. I go pheasant hunting with my husband and our 6 yr yellow lab. My husband also elk hunts and deer hunts. I had to take an 8 week, 3 hours a week course and two 6-hr Saturdays to get a hunting license and learned so much about hunting animals. You just don't go out and see an animal and shoot it down. It has be a certain type of deer, color of tail, or how many antlers to shoot and usually males, but depends on the seasons. If you shoot the wrong type of animal during the season, you are screwed and pay a hefty fine.

I am involved in steel shooting competition and I am really good at it and love it.

I also love archery by the way.

So you calling me racist??? BULLCRAP.

I do not hunt either because I am in poverty. Do you have any idea how much it costs for ammo? However, with Obama being president and with Obamacare, we are headed to poverty as a country the rate we are going. Good thing I have hunting skills I guess.

Nothing was said about 100% correlation. - OP

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"After accounting for numerous other factors such as income, education and political ideology, the researchers found that for each one point increase (on a scale from one to five) in symbolic  there was a 50 percent increase in the odds of having a gun in the home and a 28 percent increase in support for policies allowing people to carry concealed guns."


Again, "a 50 percent increase in the odds of having a gun in the home..." (per each 1-point increase on the symbolic racism scale)

And I spoke of a HISTORY of needing to hunt that - extends far back before the Civil War,

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the plantation economic system offering very little benefit to the vast majority of people in the Old South, who were mostly quite poor, often very, very by our standards. And, of course, we know that the South stayed poor, and rural, with far more game than markets, for a century after the Civil War.

Even these days, though, we have friends who hunt for food. By investing the cost of half a small McDonald's fries in ammunition they can fill a freezer with venison.

You know, these were actually arguments that there are many reasons people own guns. Those 4 guns I mentioned are just the ones in our house; DH keeps his others in our son's safe. People shouldn't just shoot blind at anything that moves.

that's not what the research said - AT ALL

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No one is calling you are anyone else a racist.

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