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Obamacare the job killer..
Posted: Mar 15, 2013
oops, too late.. you reelected him. WE ALL SUFFER http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obamacare-will-reduce-us-employment-2013-03-15?siteid=yhoof2;
Exactly. Don't forget the pipeline. He will never approve it. - He said it won't create jobs. AH
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He was just in Illinois and wants to give Argonne $120M - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]over 5 years for research in lithium batteries. Full article below:
ARGONNE – President Barack Obama stood in front of three cars that run on battery power, saying that one day, technological research being done at Argonne National Laboratory near Darien could help Americans travel farther than ever before at a more affordable price.
However, the sequester cuts may largely affect alternative fuel research.
Obama told media gathered at Argonne on Friday that one of the reasons he is against the sequester is because it doesn’t distinguish between wasteful programs and needed investments, such as the funding to continue some of the work and research at Argonne.
Located just outside Darien and Lemont in suburban Chicago, Argonne National Laboratory is one of the U.S. Energy Department’s largest national laboratories for scientific and engineering research.
In December, the Joint Center for Energy Storage Research, headquartered at Argonne, was chosen to be the new batteries and energy storage hub – representing a $120 million federal investment over the next five years.
Obama stressed continuing to fund research and finding new ways to distance ourselves from oil – keeping energy at home and creating new jobs.
“I chose (to come to) Argonne National Lab because right now, few areas hold more promise for creating new jobs and growing our economy than how we use American energy,” Obama said.
In researching how to make batteries last longer, the facility plays a major role in the Department of Energy’s energy storage program within its Office of Vehicle Technologies, focusing on improving lithium batteries for lighter cars.
“Wouldn’t you want your car battery, your phone battery or any battery for that matter run longer and more efficiently?” said Karena Chapman, an Argonne scientist from Naperville who works on batteries in the preliminary stage.
Dr. Eric Isaacs, Argonne director, told Obama the cuts from the sequester would force him to stop any new project that’s coming down the line. But Isaacs said the immediate effects are still uncertain.
“We don’t know yet because the whole government is trying to figure out what the cuts will be, so we’re planning, but we’re hoping for the best,” Isaacs said.
In the meantime, Argonne scientists are still coming to work every day and continuing “their great work,” he added.
During his visit, Obama also asked for Congress to authorize spending $2 billion over the next decade for research on electric cars and decreasing a need for oil in the U.S.
U.S. Rep. Dan Lipinski, D-Western Springs, 3rd Dist., said he supported the president in terms of finding new energy sources, but that he’d need more details before he could agree on spending.
“From the president’s speech, in theory, I think it’s a good idea, but I really would need to see what the details are,” Lipinski said. “With gas prices so high right now, everyone understands we need to get away from using oil.”
New energy will not only eliminate the carbon footprint, but boost the economy, Obama said.
“I want the next great job-creating breakthroughs, whether it’s in energy or nanotechnology or bioengineering – I want those breakthroughs to be right here in the United States of America, creating American jobs and maintaining our technological lead,” Obama said.
http://www.daily-chronicle.com/mobile/article.xml/articles/2013/03/15/0194ffeb4fe84acf9b27464d8f6981a9/index.xml
Great, TH. The sequester may hurt research, no doubt, but - there is real commitment to moving forward. nm
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Not QUITE true - anon
[ In Reply To ..]Since the application for Obamacare is 21 pages, and for subsidy is 61 pages, most people will have to hire "navigators" to assist in completing the forms. Also, Obamacare will likely be administered through the IRS, necessitating tons of new employees. Our IRS information was always confidential, but no more. They will be able to report who has or does not have medical insurance.
As well as an increase in health care providers to take care of the additional - ~32 million insured.
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http://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/gops-job-killing-whopper-again-2
Sorry, but MANY doctors are QUITTING the field - over this... sad fact ! nm
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I'm trying to imagine them working as managers at former - country clubs instead of golfing. :) Somehow
[ In Reply To ..]I don't really see a mass exodus.
Fact is, specialists are not just grossly overpaid, but many are giving primary care at specialist rates. We can expect them to be unhappy as their incomes are pared down--which healthcare reform fully intends to do--and most of the noise is coming from them. However, given the physician shortage, they'll always have lots of patients even if they're not treating them for sore throats also.
Fact is, also, PCPs are underpaid and there aren't nearly enough of them because of that. We can expect them to be happier as their incomes rise, encouraging more people to enter this field of medicine--which is in the works right now as an important part of bringing down costs while providing better healthcare.
BTW, I used to be a real estate appraiser. When appraisal went on line almost a couple decades ago now, many older appraisers approaching retirement just chose to retire rather than learn to use a computer. Their counterparts in medicine, old dogs not interested in learning to chase a new-fangled stick, are where most losses will be seen.
Yes, by all means, everyone should make the same - amount of money
[ In Reply To ..]http://wiki.answers.com/Q/In_Marx%27s_communism_is_everyone_paid_the_same_amount_of_money_regardless_of_job
I still don't understand why the appraisal - sm
[ In Reply To ..]programs out there scare the old guys. It's so much easier to use, does the math for you, and it's easier to draw a sketch of the house. All you have to do is enter the numbers, and the program will draw the house for you.
Same thing with court reporters. A computer program came out to where all they have to do is "scope" the transcript, and most of the court reporters I know adjusted quickly to it, but I know one guy who is the chief county court reporter who just isn't interested in learning the program. He, too, is probably ready to retire soon.
I've been treated by physicians who, as you say, "not interested in learning to chase a new-fangled stick."
I'm lucky because my doctor cares more about helping people than how many material possessions he has. He's the chief physician on my "team" of doctors in a clinic setting, and he's wonderful. He's definitely a "new dog," though. He sent me (around the corner of his office) to get a chest x-ray a couple of weeks ago, and by the time I returned to his office the x-ray was already on his computer, and he could read it right there. He chose his treatment of me based on that x-ray, and I didn't have to wait days or weeks to take the new antibiotic he prescribed for me.
He could make a TON of money if he went private practice, but his passion is caring for those with little money, and that's the kind of doctor I want.
Just what I want. IRS taking care of my health care - way to go - nm
[ In Reply To ..]nm needed.
And when all the guns are gone - me
[ In Reply To ..]I won't even be able to shoot myself to get out of my misery of the nightmare that is to come in 2014. And they preparing Michelle to run for president in 2016 so we can have perpetual lunacy.
I don't think Michelle is dumb enough to run... - ZvilleMT
[ In Reply To ..]Just look what the dems did to Hillary when she ran - Michelle would be no different and I think she's smart enough to realize it. The "Old Boy's Club" just isn't ready for a female president - someday maybe, but I doubt in my lifetime.
:) - Too much! nm
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Oh, the drama! - nm
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Nonsense. The illiteracy and semiliteracy levels are - very high in this country. Application will not
[ In Reply To ..]be made effectively impossible for a large portion of the people Obamacare is designed to extend coverage to.
Navigators ARE being trained to assist as many people as possible to get signed up and covered as soon as possible, but people needing their help will not be paying their salaries.
Nice try, but overall, CBO even says this will - cost a ton more than previously indicated...
[ In Reply To ..]and everything will go up, including price of food and even vet bills for your pet! I just recently had to cancel my own insurance because I cannot afford the premium increase... which was reported directly to me is caused by Obamacare. Once the penalty goes into effect, well, they might just have to put me in jail. This is going to really hurt the economy... Obamacare is a bloated disaster... disorganized mess. I would not blame ANY doctor for retiring early, which many are doing.
Aw, don't worry. The first year w/o insurance will only cost $100 in penalty - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]After that, it goes up and up and up and up. >:{
Lost my job to Obamadontcare - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Unfortunately this massive tax plan is just that. A tax plan. I and many people I know have lost their jobs due to this tax and control panel.
The awful simple truths also is:
1. Pre-exisiting conditions are not included.
2. Once you get to a certain age forget any health care. He would just assume you take a pill.
3. Many of the procedures and medications you need you can't get and they make you go through a lot of red tape.
4. Losing more doctors.
5. Waiting list is going to increase.
6. A non-medical, un-qualified beurocrat will now be decided on your medical care. Not you or your doctor.
And the list goes on and on.
Are you sure you didn't fight to keep employers in - the middle of your healthcare delivery?
[ In Reply To ..]The vast majority of companies claiming they have to let people go because of Obamacare are LYING. And you should know that.
For what degree of truth there is in some of these claims, please note that, as someone who's probably far to the left of you, I recognized that employers do a great deal of harm to employees (including firing those found to be ill) to increase their profits. I supported those who fought for healthcare reform that would get them out of our healthcare altogether.
Well, turns out you won. So, you lose.
Good news, we are working on a divorce for those who've had enough. So, you will ultimately have a second chance, if you choose to take it.
A dem
not a shred of truth here - nm
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Oh really? Are you sitting in my living room here? - see message!!!
[ In Reply To ..]You have no idea what you are talking about, so as they say when you don't know what you are talking about then **************
You are not sitting in my house. You are not listening in on my phone conversations with my supervisor. You did not hear the telephone conversation she had with me that said the MTs are out of work because with Obamacare the client has been offered a bonus to switch transcription systems and get rid of the MTs.
Not a shred of truth here? You are so blind and loving of Obama and anything this administration does that you can't even comprehend reality, but instead prefer to come on the board and speak from ***************
Don't *********** tell me there is not a shred of truth. I wish I could have your post deleted, but *** *** is not in the list to select.
SeeMessage, this is an easy lie. People hate to tell - others they're fired and like to shift blame.
[ In Reply To ..]it is true that Obamacare is offering assistance in upgrading to EMR systems, but nowhere is it mandated that they choose a system that uses fewer people. There are a lot of different ways to implement the EMR, including ones we find ourselves working on without even knowing it, but one that eliminated your job was your employer's choice.
IF that was even the truth. Maybe you were let go because you're older and threatened to cost them more in healthcare premiums in future. Or something else.
The point is, you need to find out where your problems are really coming from so you can direct your anger where it belongs. There's always another election coming along and another chance to make yourself felt.
Reading your post shows that I was NOT lying - see message!!!
[ In Reply To ..]As some previous poster WHO HAS NO IDEA WHAT THE HECK SHE'S TALKING ABOUT called me a liar.
When my supervisor calls me and tells me that with Obamacare my company was given a huge bonus to switch transcription systems and we are now out of work just WHAT THE HECK AM I SUPPOSED TO THINK!!!
Oh sure, you can make it sound all sugar and spice and everything nice and what a great service Obamacare is offering to those who will do away with MT jobs, it still does not take away from the truth. It is because of Obamacare giving the company a large bonus to switch systems and get rid of the MTs that I no longer have my job.
Unless one of you on this board is sitting in my office listing to my conversation with my supervisor don't any one of you tell me I'm lying.
Here's the thing about Obamacare. I hope its a good thing for everyone in America. I hope that I may be able to use it some day and finally get some decent health care. I'm not saying I dislike Obamacare. What I am saying is because of Obamacare giving a bonus to the company to switch transcription systems leaving the admin people in the office to read the reports (hence letting the MTs go), don't ANYONE EVER DARE TELL ME I'M LYING!
P.S. - This message is not directed at you, it's using your post as information, and directed at the one who called me a liar.
Switching to EMR does not equal doing away with MTs - Vamonos Pest
[ In Reply To ..]Many of us are already transcribing into EMRs without even knowing it. Four of my current 7 accounts I work on (for an MTSO) are EMR.
The doing away with the MT part comes when the client/employer elects to go with voice wreck or a point-and-click system (done by the doctor or through use of a scribe) with the update. If your employer is telling you that you are losing your job because of Obamacare and implementation of EMR, they're leaving out the part that they're electing to go with voice wreck/point-and-click because they're too cheap or too greedy to pay an MT. Ultimately they are lying to you by leaving that little tidbit out. If it makes you feel better, once they get rid of their MT(s), it will probably be a disaster... at least for a little while if not always. Many practices are quite unhappy with the hassle and time spent correcting the garbage that is produced; however, unfortunately they are still too cheap to rehire an MT.
I'm an MT and have been transcribing into an EMR since 2005. It's not the EMR or Obamacare that's costing MTs their jobs... it's good old fashioned greed with the ultimate goal of cutting costs and increasing profits instead of an accurate medical record.
Exactly, SeeMessage. The bonus was to encourage upgrading the - computer system, not to get rid of you. nm
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The statement - sm
[ In Reply To ..]The statement:
"Obamacare has offered the company a bonus to do away with the transcription platform and all the transcriptionists with it" DOES equal doing away with MTs.
doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. duh!
You are assuming MTSO was being truthful - bootstraps
[ In Reply To ..]The way the statement was framed, "Obamacare has offered..." What does that mean? Did she get an official notification with "Obamacare" letterhead?
Or did someone call her on the phone and say, "Hi, I'm Obamacare and if you get rid of your transcriptionists, I'll give you a bonus."
I believe the MTSO has an anti-ACA agenda and unfortunately her word is being taken as the bottom line rather that the statement being researched.
Like other posters said, the EMR platforms do have the capability to eliminate part of the transcription process, but that is not an ACA mandate and simply a lie to represent it as such.
Interesting how MTSOs are badmouthed for every bad thing that happens to the MT, accused of lies at every turn, but all of the sudden, the MTSO is the source of all truths and expert on government policy. But people believe what they want, so...
good luck with that.
Don't duh me - Vamonos Pest
[ In Reply To ..]If you know everything, please do share proof of this other than what some anon MT says her supervisor told her.
Plus, if Obamacare was offering bonuses to companies for killing jobs (not just implementing EMR) in a field where the workers are mostly women (in this country at least), dontcha think Fox and other RW news sites would have been all over it??? That would back up the claims of how Obama kills jobs AND how the dems are really causing a so-called "War on Women." Are they slacking, or is the post you read by some anon MT simply the line of bull that her supervisor fed her? Please don't say that Fox is slacking... hurting Fox's feelings is a reportable offense on this board.
PS - It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet (I could insert a "duh" here, but that would be petty and insulting, so I won't).
duh - (no brainer)
[ In Reply To ..]Duh is just lovely. At least she didn't say something totally inflammatory like "let me tell you something...." That would have gotten her wiped off the board in a heartbeat. ;)
thankfully, no! How incredibly abusive. - (not a shred)
[ In Reply To ..]Before you tell me **************, do us all a favor and go back and read your post.
The post to which I was responding listed six "truths" about Obamacare - none of which was true - and none of which required me to be in your house or on your phone.
The assertions you made about obamacare were simply not true. In no way, shape, or form can my stating that be construed as me calling you a liar.
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Again you are calling me a liar - here, let me repeat for you
[ In Reply To ..]I don't care what you wrote about Obamacare. You are not here in my life "thank God". You don't call people liars when you don't know their situation.
Again, and I'll repeat it, **************
When I get the call saying "Because of Obamacare the company is switching transcription systems and you no longer have a job, as do all the other MTs that work there because now they are using admin people to do your job" that means that because of Obamacare giving them a bonus to do away with MTs I am out of a job.
The truths I told about me losing my job to Obamacare WERE IN FACT TRUE and *********** telling me what I am saying is not true. Again,
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************* Again, you are not here. You do not know what was said to me on the phone. I SPOKE THE TRUTH! And yes, I'll repeat it, "don't anyone ******* tell me I'm not telling the truth"
Everything is true of what I wrote.
As you can tell I don't take kindly to people calling me a liar about something that happened to me by people who did not hear my conversation.
listen... - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I was responding to the post I was responding to. I did not call you a liar. I did not report you. Stop chasing me all over the board.
I am responding to posts responding to me - that's not chasing anyone
[ In Reply To ..]You obviously have a problem because I am pointing out I lost my job due to Obamacare. You're the one chasing me over the board to prove I am lying.
If you don't like me responding to posts that were responding to me then don't respond to me.
Otherwise I will keep repeating that I am not lying.
What difference does it make anyhow? - what now?
[ In Reply To ..]Historically people lose jobs due to technology or similar. This industry has been dying a slow death for a long time due to VR, India, and now point-and-click options offered by EMR.
If you want to blame it on the government, go for it, but where does that get you?
Hostility and rage eat up a lot of energy.
My account went to EMR about a year ago, and no work for a couple days a week was the new norm. MTSO didn't lay anyone off... just let us fend for ourselves, "things will pick up..." blah blah. Writing was on the wall they were just going to let us drop off one by one, or use up PTO, or file for partial unemployment. No updates, no questions answered.
So instead of wringing my hands and getting mad, I found another job. I hated that I had to do it, but I decided to consider it an adventure, a new beginning. I'm not normally an optimistic person, but I dug down deep and realized nothing around me was going to change. No one was going to drop a pile of money in my lap or offer me the job of a lifetime.
I researched, applied, tested, interviewed, etc. for a couple months and ended up with a job, and one much better than the one I had. No guarantees it will last for the next 7 years until I can retire, but even if it doesn't, I'll work with what I've got and lose the excess baggage of blame and rage. It's a waste of time.
and here's how that post looked before you changed it - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Again you keep up with your lies - here, let me repeat for you.
Posted: Mar 17th, 2013 - 8:33 pm
In Reply to: thankfully, no! How incredibly abusive. - (not a shred)
I changed the post, not the poster - Moderator
[ In Reply To ..]People need to leave things alone. Tempers are rising. Just leave things alone and move on to something else.
oh my gosh. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]You changed what the poster said?
So, let me get this straight. The poster accuses ME of being a liar, and you help her out by making it look like I am attacking HER?
OP: "Again you keep up with your lies"
Edited to: "Again you are calling me a liar"
I went out of my way to tell the OP I was not calling her a liar, and yet she even came back a second time. And you enable this?!
You DELETED me for saying "let me tell you something, sarge" and yet you "help" this other poster by changing her wording, and furthering the pile-on?
Unbelievable.
Have to agree - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I think changing a post in a way that completely alters the meaning isn't moderation any more, it's... something else.
Pre-edit, the poster accused YOU of being a liar.
Post-edit, she is accusing you of calling HER a liar.
I'm not big on riding the moderator, but I *really* don't think any of us want him/her to start changing the wording in our posts in a way that alters the meaning of what we said.
I didn't change anyone's wording - Moderator - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I do not change the content of anyone's post. People are free to post what they want (hence the reason why I did not delete the OP's post. She has as much right to post what she believes as do you).
I've done a lot of deleting from probably just about all posts, and I've deleted a lot of what the OP has been writing too.
I DO NOT change wording in posts, but if you write, "let me tell you something" (written specifically to start an argument) or "how dare you" and things like that I deleted it. This board is to discuss issues.
Tempers are rising and people are accusing others. It needs to end.
Stick to the issues. If you don't believe the OP is telling the truth provide some proof as to why what she states is not true, but posters need to stop with accusatory or inflaming statements. Stick to the subject matter and leave your personal grievances with other posters off the board.
Again, I do not change the content of what someone writes. That is not a moderators job. It is only my job to keep the fights, insults, and name calling under control.
Unfortunately, your stating, "I changed the post, not the poster" - did not make sense posted there.
[ In Reply To ..]The poster you replied to was pointing out these editing changes by the OP, not anything about your deletions.
Originally: "Again you keep up with your lies - here, let me repeat for you."
vs.
Revised (by OP): "Again you are calling me a liar - here, let me repeat for you"
I believe you, Moderator, that you didn't do the above, just the asterisks/deletions, but I would think you could see how your response "I changed the post" there would surely lead to the conclusion that you did the editing that was being pointed out, not just your deletions.
Sorry for the confusion - Moderator - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I went to her post and notices there was stuff I deleted, hence the reason why I said I changed her post.
I would just move forward with things now. She evidently changed her post for a reason, so I personally would not drudge up the past. Lets move forward in a positive way and address issues.
overreach - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I think it's a bit of an overreach to presume that the phrase "let me tell you something" was "written specifically to start an argument".
Is there a reason for this? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Just reading the post when someone posts something and someone comes back with "not a shred of truth" (and a drive by at that with no facts to back that up), kind of pretty easy to see someone is being called a liar. I read somewhere that makes sense that if I tell someone something and they come back with "not a shred of truth", yeah, I'm going to say to them "I'm not lying". Someone said they said the supervisor lied, yet I didn't read that in the post.
Looks like the moderator is trying to do a good job with removing the insults and accusatory statements, while keeping the meat of the messages in. I see that most of the posts that say she was not telling the truth (but not saying she is lying) all your messages pretty much stayed intact. Looks like the OP got all her messaged hacked to death though LOL.
Why don't y'all give it a rest. The OP evidently is upset that people are saying that what she says is not true, yet I'm not seeing any posts with evidence to show that her individual statements are not correct.
So she lost her job to Obamacare. If that upsets her I can understand that. Maybe cut her a little slack and if you want to keep it up at least talk about her individual statements and some proof to show that what she wrote is not the truth. I haven't seen one post yet to show proof that what she wrote is not true. Guess that will take a bit of research.
I think I read it here (or maybe somewhere else) that sometimes you just gotta let things go and not try and "prove" something. Besides, if the poster did change something, maybe she felt she was wrong in what she said, and if it was changed, why are you posting it here. Besides, I don't see the message the way you said it was first written, so how do I know that is really what she wrote and not something made up.
So now we have a whole thread of someone posting something, someone telling them there is no truth to it, someone saying I'm not lying, someone saying I didn't call you a liar, someone saying your supervisor lied, don't call me a liar, you lied, I didn't call you a liar. Kind of sounds like an Abbot and Costello routine. Wait, I know, I know....Bush lied. LOL Sorry, just trying to put some humor into an exhausting thread.
Besides, after all, there are bigger troubles going on than whether someone is lying about why she was let go.
I changed my post for a reason. Plus proof with links - sm
[ In Reply To ..]There were many reasons why I changed my post and I won't go into them all. The simple fact of the matter is I changed my post. I had good reasons why I changed it. I didn't change it for you to put back up what it was before. Please leave it alone.
Since many people had problems with my post here ya go:
1. 1. Pre-exisiting conditions are not included. Correction: Should have read pre-existing conditions for kids not covered (though I think that is even worse):
http://www.nationalreview.com/the-feed/3448/obamacare-does-not-cover-pre-existing-conditions-kids
http://www.examiner.com/article/your-child-s-pre-existing-conditions-congress-not-covered-by-obamacare
2. Once you get to a certain age forget any health care. He would just assume you take a pill.
http://iusbvision.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/obama-old-people-dont-need-life-saving-treatments-they-can-take-a-pain-pill-and-be-left-to-die/
http://radioviceonline.com/obama-to-heart-patient-take-a-pill/
3. Many of the procedures and medications you need you can't get and they make you go through a lot of red tape.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/rationing-begins-states-limiting-drug-prescriptions-medicaid-patients
4. Losing more doctors.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/09/report-83-percent-of-doctors-have-considered-quitting-over-obamacare/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsQJcK6QpGk
5. Waiting list is going to increase.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/24/michael_moore_patriotic_americans_will_wait_longer_for_healthcare.html
6. A non-medical, un-qualified beurocrat will now be decided on your medical care. Not you or your doctor.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/when_politicians_decide_health.html
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2010/07/11/obama-appoints-marxist-in-charge-of-medicare/
Miscellaneous:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/this_is_your_life_under_obamacare.html
http://cnsnews.com/blog/dr-mark-g-neerhof/obamacare-s-ipab-when-government-takes-over-health-care-you-become-budget
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/betsy-mccaughey-obamacare-could-cost-35000-elderly-patients-their-lives-every-year/
http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obama-adviser-admits-we-need-death-panels/
I'm not sure if it's proof, but you're entitled to - your opinion
[ In Reply To ..]1. The ACA does cover preexisting illness in children:
http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=001804
You first link just said it doesn't without anything further. Your second link said, "Under the new law, insurers ARE required to cover your child IF they sell you a family policy. However, they are not required to sell you a family policy until 2014. So, you may actually be worse off than before Obamacare passed, since, in the past, you could have gotten coverage for the rest of your family, but now that might be denied." --so- might(?)
2. The pill thing--your first link, if you read further down the page, reveals that the clip was edited. Obama's opinion was that these kinds of decisions should not be made by insurers. Here's what he said: “that’s a good example of where-if we’ve got experts looking at this, … that the pacemaker may ultimately save money, then we potentially could have done that faster.” Your second link was the same edited clip.
3. I'm kind of confused what your link has to do with your statement. No mention of red tape or procedures, just that states trying to figure out cost effectiveness when Medicaid is more widely available, generic vs brand name, etc.
4. Here are some facts about the site/opinion you posted:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/07/10/comically-awful-survey-says-83-percent-of-docto/187029
My opinion is that doctors aren't going to leave. What else can they do? Sell used cars?
5. Waiting list increased. Speculation so far, but I can see this as a challenge, but as far as I'm concerned waiting for medical care is a better alternative than being denied medical coverage. I doubt any medical emergency would be compromised.
6. You just described for-profit insurance companies.
discussion of proof with links... - sm
[ In Reply To ..]1. Pre-existing conditions for kids not covered.
(From your link): "Full protection for children would not come until 2014....That's the same year when insurance companies could no longer deny coverage to any person on account of health problems."
[When implemented in 2014, Obamacare solves the preexisting condition problem for children.]
2. Once you get to a certain age forget any health care.
(From your link): Robert Reich's talk was recorded in 2007, far predating Obamacare. He was speaking of problems in the healthcare system that needed to be addressed at that time - not problems brought on by obamacare.
3. Many of the procedures and medications you need you can't get and they make you go through a lot of red tape.
(From your link): Mr. Galewitz is speaking about the issues of cost containment under state-administered Medicaid. This has nothing to do with Obamacare:
“So it seems like Medicaid’s sort of been one big experiment over the last number of years for states to try to control costs...only in the last 10 years have we really seen states put these limits on monthly drugs,” he added.
4. Losing more doctors.
(From your link): The DPMA (Doctor Patient Medical Assocation) is an organization that believes "the battle for medical freedom is about more than just repealing the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act."
Of over 16,000 doctors polled, 699 responded. We cannot extrapolate what 83% of doctors believe from this sample.
5. Waiting list is going to increase.
(From you link): I don't think this is the best link to use to prove your point. Enough said. Anyway, I'm sure you understand the difference between emergent and elective surgery.
6. A non-medical, un-qualified beurocrat {sic} will now be decided on your medical care. Not you or your doctor.
(From your link): This article predates the Obama administration by at least 12 months. Again, nothing to do with Obamacare.
When you call someone a liar, just how do you think they will react - The Sarge - sm
[ In Reply To ..]You call someone a liar and then post that you think they are abusive (which I didn't find abusive, I just found her upset that someone who does not know her situation and what she was told was calling her a liar). Just what kind of reaction did you expect after calling someone a liar.
You don't know who these posters are. You don't know what they go through on a daily basis. You have no facts to back your claims up.
If a poster said he or she lost his or her job because of Obamacare, Hillarycare, Bushcare or any other reason there is no reason to call them a liar. Especially when you do not have proof.
I don't blame the poster from being upset.
The simple truth is you don't know what any poster is going through. Sometimes it is better not to say anything than to write something that shows you don't know what you are talking about.
As Mark Twain once said - "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt". I'm sure that is what she was thinking when she wrote if you don't know what you are talking about it's best to not say anything at all.
In this case I am going to have to agree with the poster. He/she explained how she lost her job and posters came back calling her a liar, old, a liar, and then re-posted calling her a liar while saying they didn't call her a liar. That was one of those "huh?" posts.
I especially like the one who evidently reported her because she said a post was stupid or ignorant, so they reported her so the moderator would star out those words, but then the one who wanted the words removed came back and repeated what she wanted deleted (good call on that one). LOL
Here's the thing...if you don't call people liars then there will most likely not be someone on the other end not like being called a liar. Sometimes it really is better to remain silent than to insult a poster to get your jollies.
She said she lost her job to Obamacare and explained what was said to her. There is no reason to call her a liar. Especially since none of you know what really happened.
Love Obama all you want. Take off the blinders to realize that Obamacare is putting people out of work. Not just her. Just because you don't like hearing it does not mean it's not true.
is there a reason for this? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I don't deserve the gang-up and pile-on. Please go back and read the post I was responding to. Then, please leave me alone. I did not call the poster a liar.
One reply is not a "gang-up" or "pile on". However - The Sarge - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I'm the one who got the gang up/pile on. I did nothing to deserve the venom that was directed at me. I was just agreeing with the OP of the message.
Please go back and read my message, then please leave me alone.
******************* sarge... - not a shred
[ In Reply To ..]I would love to know why you are addressing your gripes to me. I didn't even join in this conversation until half-way through. You have no right to assign blame to me for whatever ******************
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wild blue yonder - sm
[ In Reply To ..]"Let me tell you something" is so offensive it was deleted? Someone has got to be kidding.
I deleted a lot of stuff from all posts - Moderator - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I went through and tried to delete out all the stuff from all posts that appeared to insight anger/fights.
"Let me tell you something" is one of those phrases as is "don't you dare", etc.
insights into inciting phrases - ...
[ In Reply To ..]"When you call someone a liar" is a pretty extreme accusation to bestow upon a poster who explained more than once that they were doing nothing of the kind.
The application of the tiniest amount of insight would help make the distinction between who was inciting and who wasn't.
So much for insight.
Hey Sarge, I can say that there is not a shred of truth - Vamonos Pest
[ In Reply To ..]to most of your post, but especially the 8th paragraph.
I reported the original post. Yes, the portion replaced with *****s was uncalled for (but you already know that) and should have been removed.
Other posters including myself then went on to try to explain what EMR implementation consists of as well as the fact that HER SUPERVISOR IS A LIAR, not her. If her supervisor is telling her that she lost her job because of an Obamacare incentive to eliminate the MT position, sorry to disappoint, but it's a load of bull. It's the facility's decision to use either voice wreck or point-and-click - not an Obamacare rule - and do away with her job. Her supervisor should have enough backbone to tell her that. Instead of the employer telling the truth and looking like the bad guy, they're shifting the blame to Obamacare. Perhaps they're lying so there are no hard feelings; therefore, if/when problems are encountered with the system they've chosen, she would be willing to return if called back.
Did you read the other posts before responding? No one called her a liar. We called her supervisor a liar. And the original list given in the "Lost my job to Obamadontcare" post didn't have a shred of truth to it, so I don't see what the problem is with saying so. If anything all of the posts have been trying to help the OP understand that her supervisor is full of it.
Don't you think that if Obamacare was offering incentives for eliminating MTs it would be the topic of every post on every board on this site (as well as all MT sites) here AND in India?? Think about it.
Message to all posters - Moderator
[ In Reply To ..]Every poster has the right to post. No poster should be told what they say has no truth or is a lie without any proof. Posters are getting offended and tempers are rising. Try and stick to the issues being discussed. If another person wants to reply they have the right to do so and they should not be ganged up on. Nobody is chasing anyone all over the board. Posters are posting the appropriate replies to others.
Please try to stick to the issues being discussed. If you have a personal grievance with another poster please settle it off the board.
Thank you Moderator and The Sarge too - OP of Lost my job to Obamadontcare
[ In Reply To ..]Guess I just took offense to someone telling me what I said is not a shred of truth in a one liner drive by and then coming back saying they didn't say it. Just kind of got to me, but that's okay. The day is over and tomorrow will be a better day. I still have no idea what a poster meant when she said to stop chasing her "all over this board". Don't know what "all over" means. Was just responding to post responding to me. I thought we were allowed to do that.
Thanks for your support too Sarge. Mark Twain's saying is what I was thinking of, but I thought it was Ben Franklin who said that. So thank you for your supportive post. Sorry you got ganged up and piled on.
Thank you again.
Your claims about Obamacare are factually totally incorrect. - Then someone claimed to be called a liar
[ In Reply To ..]by those who pointed out that the supervisor was lying. Of the considerable abuse on this thread, 90% of it has come from her and people attempting to support the "totally factually incorrect" statements you posted and in the process.
Something Vamanos Pest said is such good sense that I'll copy it here for the factually mislead to consider: "Don't you think that if Obamacare was offering incentives for eliminating MTs it would be the topic of every post on every board on this site (as well as all MT sites) here AND in India?? Think about it."
It absolutely would. A dem
What I wrote is true - OP - Lost my job
[ In Reply To ..]Nobody proved what I said was incorrect. I wrote the truth.
And, no I don't think it would be the topic of every board on this site. Every case is different. It's not a straight across the board shot that affects everyone, but it does affect some. It's all about control really. Think about it.
You don't think writing the end of MT/ME into law would - be discussed by all of us. OK. BTW,
[ In Reply To ..]a tip: As long as a person prefaces whatever she or he posts with "I believe," nobody can say that person is lying, even if there isn't a word of truth in what comes after.
Like the tobacco company executives at the congressional hearings. You know--each of them on down the whole row reciting, "I do not believe tobacco is addictive." See how clever? The words changed a bit but all included the critical "I believe," so they couldn't be proven to have lied to Congress because it's about what they BELIEVED.
As I said, no. It doesn't affect everyone, but it does affect some - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Also, if you told someone something and they turned around and said "not a shred of truth". The first thing you's say is "I'm not lying", so yes telling someone what they say/write is not true is calling someone a liar.
OK, Bye.
You never did get it, did you? It was the employer - you were told lied. I personally
[ In Reply To ..]always believed you, or whomever, I'm getting confused here, were totally sincere in your/her statements. Obamacare is evil, its supporters destroying the country, etc., etc.
But since someone here chose to claim she was being called a liar, not the employer, I thought whoever was inclined to be so offended might find a tip on how to adopt an additional layer of protection against that charge helpful.
I invite you to prove the following - from your original post
[ In Reply To ..]If you "wrote the truth," you should have no trouble proving, not speculating. By the way, I am not saying you are lying, but since you continue to insist what you said is the truth, I would like to know more.
from your original post:
"1. Pre-exisiting conditions are not included.
2. Once you get to a certain age forget any health care. He would just assume you take a pill.
3. Many of the procedures and medications you need you can't get and they make you go through a lot of red tape.
4. Losing more doctors.
5. Waiting list is going to increase.
6. A non-medical, un-qualified beurocrat will now be decided on your medical care. Not you or your doctor."
I just proved them in a post above - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Here is the link to my post. All posts can be verified and cross referenced with many other sources.
http://general.mtstars.com/341668.html
And I responded above, - but
[ In Reply To ..]I don't think you really proved anything, with all due respect.
I responded above in more detail, but in brief:
1. Preexisting conditions for children are covered.
2. Taken out of context and speech edited. Taking a pill after reaching any specified age is not a mandate in the ACA.
3. This was in regard to Medicaid expansion in states, per your citing, and states trying to figure out cost effectiveness.
4 & 5 Speculation. Neither of these have occurred.
6. For-profit insurance companies are non-medical unqualified bureaucrats currently deciding your medical care.
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