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Keystone XL presents in Senate

Posted: Nov 18, 2014

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Interesting article - sm

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Wondered if Keystone would provide more jobs in refineries in the Gulf. Still don't know if that is true/possible.

This article makes mention of cutting out need to purchase Venezuelan crude.

and there would be excess railcar availability, thus, could lower prices of transportation for some railcar-shipped products.

But, most importantly, it seems to lower the cost by $2 to $3 a barrel for the oil refineries--not necessarily affecting the U.S. Consumer, but someone will make some money.

The State Dept. is in favor of Keystone - Truthhurts

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The State Department’s own findings state that: “Almost overnight, Keystone XL could put 9,000 hard-working American men and women directly to work.” The U.S. State Department’s Final Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement found that the project would support more than 42,000 direct and indirect jobs nationwide.
“In addition to construction jobs, an estimated 7,000 U.S. jobs are being supported in manufacturing the steel pipe and the thousands of fittings, valves, pumps and control devices required for a major oil pipeline,” it states.

“TransCanada has contracts with more than 50 suppliers across the U.S., including companies in Texas, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Indiana, Georgia, Maryland, New York, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Minnesota, Ohio, Arkansas, Kansas, California and Pennsylvania.”

Barbara Boxer is spent a lot of time today arguing against the pipeline.

I read another article the other day that TransCanada is not the only company that will be using this pipeline. Oil from the Bakken Fields will also make use of this pipeline.

Green energy jobs would create plenty of - jobs also

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Those old time pipefitters and such may need retraining.

TransCanada/Keystone - Lee

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On TransCanada,I have big concerns with a business from another country usurping our property rights for their own benefit.

My main concerns right now are huge. TransCanada running that sludge-carrying pipeline through our country, then they will have it refined and shipped to other countries. Oh, we might get a little piece of the pie, but at what expense. We should be developing our own technology for clean power. More disturbing is about their right to eminent domain over all the American farms they are going to destroy on their way south and the contamination of underground aquifers, rivers, and wildlife areas. This is disgusting. Probably a done deal because they already started the line from Texas northward and have already claimed private property under eminent domain there, and there have already been spills in Canada. We have the fox guarding the hen house here because all the reports I have read about how wonderful this is going to be for the United States are produced by Keystone/TransCanada. I understand the US taxpayers will be expected to fund part of this project, and I have yet to read a report of how they intend to cross the Missouri not to mention hundreds of other smaller rivers and streams without disrupting and contaminating them. And, the canned phrase "economic security" is being thrown at the masses as if Santa Clause is going to bring gifts.

I personally cannot see any economic benefit to mainstream Americans by providing a few thousand jobs at the expense of individual property rights, clean water, wildlife, etc. This is mob rule. We are supposed to have a Republic. In a democracy mob rule usurps our personal rights. I am very disappointed in the Republican party over this issue. Who paid for their campaigns. Big contributors own that land on which the drilling sites rest in Canada.

Yeah, it's amazing the Republicans support it. - I thought they're for smaller govenment.

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But they will do want their corporate masters will tell them.

Mary Landrieu stood before Senate - sm

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and said that all property owners would be protected. I figure that means eminent domain.

I'm glad it didn't pass this time, but fear what might happen in January. More people need to become aware of the potential environmental impact. I don't find it a viable argument that there are other pipelines, so let's build some more!

That right there is a good reason to be - against it. N/M

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Keystone XL FAILS in Senate 59Y-41N - Good-nm

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Some questions like who pays for this? - sm

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1. Who will pay for Keystone?
2. Are they using American products to build it?
3. Do we collect taxes from someone for the oil going through it?
4. Who is liable for a spill? What are the contingency plans? I recall that video of the BP oil well pumping into the gulf. Money does not fix it. My concern, we already have a clean water shortage, this has potential for polluting a huge amount of water. I am not a scientist, but there is the Missouri river system, crop land, and underground aquifers.
5. What about the landowners? I recall that I thought Republicans were the ones most complaining about eminent domain in the past. What happened to that?

I would hope that the government would get a cut of this that would help to repair our infrastructure project of roads, bridges, sewer/water treatment systems, utilities, etc.

Ogalala Aquifer--better take notice - see message

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From Wiki:

About 27 percent of the irrigated land in the United States overlies the aquifer (Ogalala), which yields about 30 percent of the ground water used for irrigation in the United States. Since 1950, agricultural irrigation has reduced the saturated volume of the aquifer by an estimated 9%. Depletion is accelerating, with 2% lost between 2001 and 2009[2][not in citation given] alone. Certain aquifer zones are now empty;[3] these areas will take over 6,000 years to replenish naturally through rainfall.[4]

The aquifer system supplies drinking water to 82 percent of the 2.3 million people (1990 census) who live within the boundaries of the High Plains study area.[5]

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I read somewhere that a tar sands leak into this aquifer will make the BP Gulf oil spill look like a car oil change.

Materials and installation - and it stinks

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Forbes:

"Pipeline defects have been identified along a 60-mile stretch of the southern segment of the Keystone XL pipeline, north of the Sabine River in Texas (Winnsboro, Texas).  Sections of pipe have dents, faulty welds, and pin-holes in some sections enough to see daylight through.

The installers have been digging up parts of the new southern segment of the Keystone pipeline that only recently have been installed.  It seems that the existing leg of the Keystone has spilled more oil in its first year than any other first-year pipeline in U.S. history (HuffPost).

With the tens of billions of dollars this pipeline will make for these companies each year, you’d think they’d spend a little extra to build it right. Or that they’d care about using new pipe that’s up to specs."

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We have an oil refinery about 10 miles away. It stinks. I feel so sorry for the people who own homes in the area. We (personally) have some solar panels--I wish we had more. No stink, no power outages, and free once the equipment is paid for. Actually, part of my retirement plan.

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