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Justice Department rejects voter ID laws


Posted: Mar 12, 2012

due to disproportionate disenfranchisement of minority populations and failure to sufficiently prove claims of widespread voter fraud.  Shocking.  Texas Gov Perry is all fired up to fight back, particularly riled since the ID law will not be in effect for the May primary.  Poor Rick.   

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-texas-voter-id-20120313,0,4606014.story

 

        

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Restores my faith a bit that there are still - some moral people SM

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in power. I feel like I have been living in the twilight zone recently.

Agree. Anyone who thinks a photo ID will..sm - VTMT

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stop voter fraud is dreaming. Everyone knows that they are very easy to obtain whether you are eligible to vote or not.

Does anyone actually have any proof of voter fraud? - sm

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I have seen that there really isn't any significant fraud going on. So they want everyone to pay a vote tax by requiring everyone to get a picture ID? Those things aren't free so who is going to pay? Another rich Republican idea, I guess.
proof? everybody knows there is - fraud - what proof do
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you need? Everybody knows it happens everywhere all the time. Come on.
Just like they know all about the lazy welfare people? - Show me the proof! nm
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lazy welfare people - dont get me started
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Why my neighbor down the road has 16 children and drives a Lexus ... blah, blah, blah. You know the rest.
Please do not get started because then - mbmt
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I will have to get started, and you probably don't want to hear what I have to say.
Please do not get started because then - mbmt - You're right - we don't want to hear it
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Who is we? - mbmt
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nm
Voter fraud right now- - Several cases in my state
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AND EVERY SINGLE ONE INDITED WAS A DEMOCRAT. No surprise there. They only way they maintain their power grab is to grab it through illegal means.

Have always had to show my ID in Ohio. Anyone - who votes should have photo ID....and

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DOJ should leave the states alone. This country falls further into a toilet.

I agree - snooky

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The biggest problem we face is the massive numbers of people trying to vote who are not registered. Right.

From Ohio here too. - Zville MT

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I guess I just don't see what the big deal is about showing an ID - there's a whole list of things you can't do without an ID, why shouldn't something as important as voting be one of them?

voting is a right not a privilege - snooky

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Therefore no impediment should be placed before it. A utility bill is adequate ID and has no photo. Any person who took a history class knows that ANY attempt to place qualifiers on voting so for the SOLE purpose of hindering voters. I dont really understand why the same issues are repeated on this board over and over. It is obvious some people are willingly obtuse and do not think through the ramifications.

Only impedes those that are not here legally - Zville MT
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and do not have the right to vote. If thinking only legal residents should have the right to vote is obtuse, then I am - the ramifications of allowing illegals to vote are far worse.
wrong. - NM
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nobody was talking - about illegals
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you pulled that one right out of your ... purse. Muddy the waters. In fact the time to control illegal immigration has come and gone long ago as a result of both parties dithering. There are too many here already to send back and they are multiplying rapidly. The corporations have found a whole new market - check out the ads on TV now. Spokespersons Lopez, salma hayek, Sofia Ver-whatever. Once the corporations latch on, nothing will be done -- the lobbyists will make sure of that.

So we give up and open the borders and allow anyone to vote? - Zville MT
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Of course this is about illegals - there would be a very small part of the population that didn't have some kind of a photo ID card if you exclude illegals and for those, it would be easy enough to get them one. I'm not muddying the waters at all - all this talk about how the pubs want to make sure the poor and the hispanics don't vote is what's muddying the waters!
where do you come up with - these conclusions?
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No,do not open the borders and allow everyone to vote. Apples and oranges. nothing in my post even hinted at such a solution.
You said the time for controlling illegal immigration has come and gone - Zville MT
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and that the corporations are using lopez, etc as spokespeople so they'll lobby against it. All I'm saying is that if you have to be a legal citizem to get a photo ID (at least in the majority of the country) and you have to have an ID to vote, this takes care of any illegals that try to vote. Why is this such a bad idea?
You must have registered to vote. If you sm - VTMT
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haven't and your name is not on the list at your polling station, no amount of photo ID or proof of citizenship will get you a ballot. FYI, ID forgeries are a dime a dozen.
the fact that - any person
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believes the miniscule possibility of illegals showing up at polls to vote is a legitimate reason to require voter ID simply floors me.
The fact that you think illegals don't show up to vote - Zville MT
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simply floors me - you must live in an area with very few illegals.
How do they vote if they have not....sm - VTMT
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registered and are not on the list at the polling station? Also, how will requiring a photo ID change anything when it comes to illegals voting!
Guess you don't understand voter fraud - That was the whole point
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of having people register, then vote proving who they say they are with a matching photo ID. Very simple concept. Anyone not interested in legal voting tries to knock this down every time. I have had to repeatedly show photo ID and not ashamed, intimidated or feel I am being "disenfranchised". Terms used when an entity wants illegal votes (and I am not referring just to illegal aliens, but anyone not legally supposed to be voting based on age, no registration, felon convictions, etc).
The fact that you think illegals are voting en masse - says volumes. nm
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when they say - something like that
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I just drop the conversation. If one refuses to remain in a fact based environment, I am wasting my time.
I think we should focus on making sure that....sm - oldtimer
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all people who are eligible to vote get registered and to the polls on election day.
Amen - sister man- nm
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You took the words right out of my mouth. (nm) - Zville MT
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The fact that you think illegals are voting en masse - says volumes - Yeah, like the ones that got paid for their votes
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If I were illegal, I sure would not vote! - Under the radar
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If I were illegal, I would not do anything that would call attention to my illegal status. I sure wouldn't go vote where they might ask about my address. This is all about trying to get Obama out of office because the Republicans know he will get the vote of minorities, elderly, students, and people with disabilities. Immigration is not an issue with Obama.

Felony prosecutions for immigration crimes increased by 42 percent during President Obama's first two years in office, a factor in the record 400,000 deportations this fiscal year. Odd how Republicans insist on shooting themselves in the foot.
Snooky, it is not an "impediment", but proof of - being a citizen!! Hindering? ridiculous!! nm
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nm
It is the new contraceptive distraction - Not new, just recycled
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They just try to rinse and repeat this stuff to try rally the base around the Republican flavor of the day. Will this one backfire on them? Probably.

Voter registration card, proof of address always worked just fine before - in Texas

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where the GOP disenfranchisement cons failed to make their case for voter fraud. Precert was required by the Justice Department in Texs because they were able to makes their case for significant statewide voting "irregularities" in the past. This is the same state where Governor Slick Perry and Tom (King of Gerrymander) Delay got themselves into deep doo-doo in 2003, years before the Dancing With the Stars celeb had to resign for money laundering connected to major campaign finance violations. This is also the same state where the current GOP gerrymandered redistricting map has failed to pass muster TWICE, delaying the primary until summer.

I think it's safe to say that most of us can see a pattern emerging here of long-term ongoing deliberate tampering schemes and deep-seated corruption centered squarely on throwing elections in favor of the GOP. Let's not forget when the voting machine warehouse facility was torched a few months before the 2010 election in Houston where the turn-out in favor of Mayor Bill White was expected to be the heaviest when he challenged Governor Slick's seat.

Rumor has it that Gingrich is considering Gov Slick as his VP running mate for his loser/loser primary grab, a desperate last-ditch effort to be sure. This level of corruption might help explain why the GOP has ZERO credibility when it comes to their transparent small government/states rights argument as it applies to voter ID disenfrangisement initiatives. The ID law the Justice Department rejected would have excluded nearly a million likely democratic voters in Texas.

Sometimes citizens need the feds to step in when corrupt local government officials engage in such flagrant civil rights violations, much the same way they are needed with corporations compromise worker safety and health. The Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire of 1911 comes to mind, where 150 workers perished behind locked doors, unable to access exits when the Guilded Age butted heads with the Progressive reform movement. This just may be one of those back-to-the-future moments in 21st century political movements when the screws are so tight they strip themselves under the pressure of their own self-inflicted force.

Thinking of my Grandma - sm

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She never drove, does not have a photo ID. She gets around with a walker pretty good, but not that good. The drivers license/ID place is 30 miles away. She can vote about a block from her house right now. Hardship? Yes.

There are people who have more transportation and disability issues than she has.

Many states say they will not accept student IDs. Again, there are many issues with this.

It is all part of a scheme to leave out the elderly, disabled, young people and other disenfranchised groups.

The Republicans will only be happy when they are living under a Republican dictatorship.

Should have some form of ID - me

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What about illegal immigrants? Should they be allowed to vote also? I think that may be the crux of the matter, Texas and many other states are filled to capacity with them....and Obama caters to them with failing to enforce our immigration laws. Do you want an illegal immigrant helping to decide who will be president? I think photo ID is not a bad thing - even here in NYS if you don't have a license, you have some form of ID with a picture on it, even if it's a BJs membership.....I think many are reading too much into this and if you don't follow the news closely, you miss a lot. This is just my own take on it, for what it's worth....I sure as hell don't want another 4 years of Obama and his cronies.

I have never had to show a photo ID when voting. nm - VTMT

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I have always had to show one... and I have no - problem with it... should be the norm. nm

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I've always had to show ID along with everyone else at the polls and that is in - CA, NV, ID, WA, OR, MT, CO

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I voted in over the years. I have an idea. How about I get a bunch of people from Mexico who don't live here to come vote for the republican candidate. Then I can get a bunch of people from Canada to come down and vote. Maybe some people from Cuba can come up and do it too. How about if I got enough people who don't live in our country and have no ID to come and vote republican to ensure the republican wins. Would that be okay with you?

Supreme Court ruling - goldie

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Back in 2008, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of voter ID laws.  I don't know why Holder would do this, since he's just going to get shot down.  It doesn't put undo burden on the poor.  The poor have photo IDs.  You can't get government benefits without a photo ID. 


Heck, I had to show photo ID and sign a log book when I bought Sudafed!


 


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/29/washington/28cnd-scotus.html


WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court upheld Indiana’s voter-identification law on Monday, declaring that a requirement to produce photo identification is not unconstitutional and that the state has a “valid interest” in improving election procedures as well as deterring fraud.



In a 6-to-3 ruling in one of the most awaited election-law cases in years, the court rejected arguments that Indiana’s law imposes unjustified burdens on people who are old, poor or members of minority groups and less likely to have driver’s licenses or other acceptable forms of identification. Because Indiana’s law is considered the strictest in the country, similar laws in the other 20 or so states that have photo-identification rules would appear to have a good chance of surviving scrutiny.


The ruling, coming just eight days before the Indiana primary and at the height of a presidential election campaign, upheld rulings by a Federal District Court and the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, which had thrown out challenges to the 2005 law.


Justice John Paul Stevens, who announced the judgment of the court and wrote an opinion in which Chief John G. Roberts Jr. and Anthony M. Kennedy joined, alluded to — and brushed aside — complaints that the law benefits Republicans and works against Democrats, whose ranks are more likely to include poor people or those in minority groups.


The justifications for the law “should not be disregarded simply because partisan interests may have provided one motivation for the votes of individual legislators,” Justice Stevens wrote.


Justice Stevens and the two court members who joined him found that the Democrats and civil rights groups who attacked the law, seeking a declaration that it was unconstitutional on its face, had failed to meet the heavy burden required for such a “facial challenge” to prevail.


Perhaps, they suggested, the outcome could be different in another voter-rights case, one in which a plaintiff could show that his or her rights had been violated. That was the approach suggested by the Bush administration, whose solicitor general, Paul D. Clement, urged the court to wait for a lawsuit brought by someone was actually barred by the statute from casting a ballot.


Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. concurred in the judgment of the court, but went further in rejecting the plaintiffs’ challenge. In an opinion by Justice Scalia, the three justices said, “The law should be upheld because its overall burden is minimal and justified.”


Indiana’s law allows voters who lack photo identification to cast a provisional ballot, then appear at their county courthouse within 10 days to show identification. Chief Justice Roberts, who grew up in Indiana, said during the argument of the case in January that such requirements are not onerous. The law also makes provisions for people in nursing homes.


Justices David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer dissented. Justice Souter, in an opinion joined by Justice Ginsburg, said the Indiana law, which calls for a government-issued photo identification, like a driver’s license or passport, “threatens to impose nontrivial burdens on the voting rights of tens of thousands of the state’s citizens.”


Some Democrats have complained that those who succeeded in passing the law and fought on its behalf were citing problems that did not exist, because prosecutions for impersonating a registered voter are exceedingly rare, or non-existent. The real motivation of those behind the law was to hamper Democrats, those foes of the law have argued.


“This decision is a body blow to what America stands for — equal access to the polls,” said Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, who leads the Democrats’ Senate election efforts. Other Democrats offered similar expressions of dismay. Ken Falk, legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana, which brought the case, told The Associated Press that he was “extremely disappointed.”


But Brian C. Bosma, who was speaker of the Indiana House when the law was enacted and is now the House’s Republican leader, dismissed the Democrats’ complaints. “This is only a burden for those who want to vote more than once,” Mr. Bosma said in a telephone interview from Indianapolis. “It protects everyone.”


When the case was argued before the Supreme Court in January, there was considerable back-and-forth over how much of a burden the Indiana law could be in an age when an overwhelming majority of people old enough to vote also possess a driver’s license or other form of photo identification.


There was also discussion over how much voter fraud really exists, with some suggestions that the reason it has apparently never been prosecuted in Indiana is because those who commit fraud are good at it.


But, as Justice Stevens noted, there have been flagrant examples of voter fraud in American history. He cited the 1868 New York City elections, in which a local tough who worked for Tammany’s William (Boss) Tweed explained why he liked voters to have whiskers: “When you’ve voted ’em with their whiskers on, you take ’em to a barber and scrape off the chin fringe. Then you vote ’em again with the side lilacs and a mustache. Then to a barber again, off comes the sides and you vote ’em a third time with the mustache. If that ain’t enough and the box can stand a few more ballots, clean off the mustache and vote ’em plain face.”


In 2004, Justice Stevens noted in a footnote, the hotly contested gubernatorial election in Washington State produced an investigation that turned up 19 “ghost voters” and at least one confirmed instance of voter fraud. And while Justice Stevens did not mention the elections in the career of Lyndon B. Johnson, biographers of the late president have suggested that he won at least one election in Texas in the 1940’s through ballot box-stuffing — and lost at least one the same way.


On the other hand, there is no dispute that some voting laws enacted decades ago, especially in the South, were not intended to prevent fraud but rather to keep blacks from voting.


Indiana usually goes Republican in presidential elections. Republicans control the State Senate, while Democrats hold a narrow advantage in the State House. The governor, Mitch Daniels, is a Republican. When the 2005 law was passed, Republicans controlled both houses and were unanimously behind the law — while Democrats were unanimously opposed.


Lawyers who challenged the case cited the experience of one would-be Indiana voter, Valerie Williams, who was turned away from the polling place in November 2006 by officials who told her that a telephone bill, a Social Security letter with her address and an expired driver’s license were no longer sufficient.


“Of course, I threw a fit,” she said in a January interview with The New York Times, recalling how she cast a provisional ballot which was never counted. Ms. Williams, in her early 60’s, is black — and is a Republican.


This is why I think Voter IDs should be required - just my opinion

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http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/81-year-old-woman-arrested-for-using-fake-IDs-to/iedDE6dRH0ubQ95ryO7PNQ.cspx?rss=68


She's not the only one who has done this!

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