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I was listening to CSPAN this morning and Bernie Sanders was speaking about the oil companies


Posted: Jun 9, 2010

I tried writing down what he said (wish I still knew my shorthand), but could only get a few items. My curiosity aroused, I started to do a little research.

Bernie stated in a 10 year period, the oil and gas companies posted a combined profit of $750 Billion. The entire industry only invested $1.5 billion in non-fossil fuel products. He also gave ALL the compensation packages for the CEOs, which I could not write fast enough, but will find them, but Occidential Petroleum's CEO received $750M in compensation last year.

This is what made me fly off the handle: Exxon Mobile reported to the SEC that they paid NO TAXES for 1999. IN FACT, THEY RECEIVED A $46M TAX REFUND FROM THE IRS!!!!! Their CEO received a retirement package of $398M.

He also talked about the $70M in subsidies the oil companies receive each year.

There is a bill before the Senate right now that would REMOVE the cap on oil spill cleanup; i.e., they pay ALL, not part of the oil spill no matter how much it costs. In this bill, they also want to strike the cap ($75M) for oil spill accidents.  I'm going to be watching this closely.

What I found so far was the following (this takes into consideration any expenses including shareholder profits, so we know their profits were higher):

Oil company profits

Oil company

Estimated net income

Financial Times profit predictions

Other profit predictions

BP

$4.8 billion

Up 85 percent (FT)

Almost doubled Q1 2009 earnings (Telegraph)

Chevron

$3.7 billion

Roughly doubled (FT)

09

Conoco

$2.0 billion

More than doubled (FT)

Up 62 percent (BloggingStocks)

Exxon

$6.8 billion

Net income roughly doubled (FT)

$6.56 projected, up 44 percent (Reuters)

Shell

$4.0 billion

Up about 30 percent (FT)

Up 35 percent (Reuters)

(This increase in consumer costs and oil company profits is relevant to the upcoming debate on bipartisan, comprehensive clean energy and global warming legislation. Opponents of reform will claim that such legislation would increase prices. But the reality is that the status quo policies have already harmed American families. An analysis of household energy spending between 2002 and 2007—the nonrecession years—found that the average household spent $1,130 more on energy in 2007. Nearly 85 percent of this increase was due to the rise in gasoline prices.)

 

Another Note: See this story on CNN Money entitied: "Proposed Spill Penalty: A Year of Profits."

http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/13/news/companies/oil_spill_bill/index.htm

 

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Kudos to you for listening to Bernie. I have to admit that I usually-- - SM

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--disagree with you on nearly all points on this board, but I'm impressed that you listened to Bernie (the first U.S. senator elected as a self-identified socialist) despite his political leanings. They don't come any more progressive than ol' Bernie. :-) (I love him, I have to admit.)

I'm neither here nor there where politics are concerned. - Backwards Typist

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You may disagree with me, but I listen to everyone that I can and make my decisions that way. I don't care if they're progressive, socialist, conservative, or liberal. All that matters is who is looking out for US (you and me).

Some days I'm in a very good mood (like yesterday), some days I'm in a serious mood,and some days I'm a total grouch.
I consider myself a conservative, but not a radial conservative. I try to get the whole picture on the whole story....unless I'm a grouch that day. LOL

DH worries me because he sees/predicts things coming and his latest 'sight' was BP claming bankruptcy and we'll be stuck with the cleanup bill, plus gas will be going to $10 a gallon.

I'm hoping the government can get around this before it happens. It will break this country for sure.

We are screwed either way. - sm

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If we make the oil companies pay for the clean up, they will just pass the cost on to us. God knows they won't pay these a-hole CEOs any less money. If our government foots the bill, they use tax payer money. When a CEO is getting 750M in compensation...there is something wrong here.

I also heard yesterday that there are 'slight' rumblings - Backwards Typist

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that BP is going to claim bankruptcy. Dylan Ratigan had a little 'blip' on this yesterday. This is why Tony Hayward said he will make sure his shareholders get their money soon. In fact, he cashed in a lot of his stock a couple weeks before this disaster hit.

How does a company that has billions in profit - zett

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per quarter go bankrupt all of a sudden? They haven't paid out one billion dollars in capping/cleanup/restitution yet, not that I have heard, and yet they are going bankrupt? If they do, it will be but a ploy to get out of their responsibility. Usual Big Business "make people afraid" tactics, IMO.
You hit the nail on the head! That's exactly what will happen - Backwards Typist
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Dylan Ratigan asked an attorney yesterday why the government can't put an injunction on them so they don't pay the shareholders before the cleanup is done.

I keep seeing the Tony Hayward commercial where he apologizes for the spill and states they are doing everything in their power to restore the area. There is so many people cleaning up the shore and so many boats (I forget the numbers but an unbelievable high amount) engaged in the cleanup. Well, I think I can count and I have not seen that many boats or people engaged in the cleanup. Just more propaganda put out by BP.

I also heard that BP is now trying to figure out a way to stop any payments to those affected and no longer have any jobs due to this spill.

Their stock has gone from almost $60 a share to $20 a share yesterday. That, in itself, is a huge loss of profits and could be the way to start bankruptcy proceeding soon.

What I can never understand is how it's often the same people -- - sm

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--who tout the American free enterprise system as being the best also complain about corporate abuse like that ... heck, that IS free enterprise, LOL. Unrestrained, it's going to be abused. Yet any talk of restraint and people start yelling "socialism!" "communism!" "fascism!" ... people, pick one and stick with it.

Wrong! You are generalizing over the top, and you know it.nm - kb

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nm
drive by - nm
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nm
Yeah, why do you do that?nm - kb
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nm
Because the drive-byer did it first and does - it over and over again.
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I hope the poster continues to post about the knee-jerker every time she does it, since it shows up in nearly every post. Maybe it will start to annoy you like the knee-jerkers annoy everyone else.

Kudos to the poster who calls the knee-jerker on her posts.
Thank you, I will. Feel free to jump in. - I would love the help.
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nm

It called, pure and simple, hypocrisy. - whatever

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These people don't want any "government" involvement or regulations in anything -- but they are all for corporations owning and running everything. Go figure. Stupid is as stupid does . . . talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face!
I think it's more like "I'm against big government unless there's something in - it for me NM
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nm
You got that right .... - whatever
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kind of like Ms. anti-government Palin wanting the government to take over BP. Is there supposed to be logic in that?
Bingo! - zett
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you deserve a prize for being right! I'm too broke to give you anything, though. LOL
Totally dead on correct. I would like to add as - well that they are all about
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staying out of people's personal choices unless the choice is different from theirs. Then personal choice is out the window and they have no problem bringing in the big-bad government to try to force the choice. Case in point-Terry Shaivo (sorry if I misspelled her name). Or being pro-death penalty and calling yourself pro-life!

None of this makes sense to any reasonable person, but you can not tell them that.

You are wrong there. Government has a role in - Backwards Typist

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the free enterprise system/regulating industries so abuse doesn't happen. What some people complain about and call communism, fascism, etc. is the government TAKEOVER of businesses; i.e., GM, Chrysler, banks, etc. That is not the government's role in our country.

Free enterprise is privately owned businesses who produce and sell products, pay taxes, and use after-tax profits to build their business and, if selling stock in the company, pay shareholders a percentage of that profit.

When the government takes over a business, no one has a share in profits. They control everything. They also use taxpayer money to run the business.

So, are you on Palin's side about the insistence that the - whatever
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government take over BP? How about the fact that BP just paid out $10B to their shareholders knowing full well they were getting ready to go bankrupt and screw the inhabitants of the Gulf? How about all those profits that BP DID NOT use to develop new and safe techonologies for deep-water drilling? Are you okay with that?

You people really slay me -- you want your cake and eat it, too . . .
I didn't say that, you did. - Backwards Typist
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I only stated that SP was there for both Exxon Valdez and Prudhoe Bay. How is that being on her side?

I don't think the government should take over BP. That, then, would be the point where the taxpayers would be paying the expense and not BP.

The shareholder profits were not paid yet as far as I know. They were paid at the end of the first quarter. but $10B is a drop in the hat compared to the profit earned by the company.
Please explain. - sm
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When someone says you want your cake and eat it too.....who doesn't want to eat their cake? I've never understood this saying. If you get cake, you aren't NOT going to eat it. So what is the point of that statement?
see link below -- - whatever
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_one's_cake_and_eat_it_too

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