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GOP: Stop Punishing the Unemployed

Posted: Apr 12, 2010

Coburn and his ilk are poised to replay the Bunning debaucle of last month as the Senate goes to work today on debating ANOTHER temporary 30-day unemployment benefits extension in advance of the larger measure that would extend benefits until the end of the year. Dems are prepared to empower the pubs by ignoring their own Paygo measures, rather than diffusing the pub argument and exposing them for the obstructive hypocrites we all know they are as both parties line up to make political hay off the misery of folks hit hardest by the recession.

There is a comment box where both or either of the parties can be urged to do their jobs in no uncertain terms, so take your pick if you feel inclined to help the 9.8% of your fellow Americans who are still without work without a meaningful jobs bill in sight.

http://www.dscc.org/petition?petition_KEY=271&track=SEM-G-unemployment-search_unemployment

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I think you might find there are more out of work than 9.8% - Backwards Typist

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If you take those who quit looking and those who ran out of benefits, the unemployment numbers would be higher.

In my own county, the unemployment has now reached 11%. Last year at this time, it was 8%. Instead of going lower, it has persistently risen. My own son has been out of work for 2 years and you know what happens if you are out of work for that long... companies don't want to hire you. From the beginning, he has gone to Career Link, watched the papers, gone to Job Fairs. You name it...he tried it and still no job.

My daughter lost one of her jobs... - NMMT

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in October and she still hasn't found another to replace it. She has two jobs because neither one of them pay very much and she is a single mother with a son to raise. Because she still holds down one job, she doesn't qualify for unemployment. She has had to do a lot of sacrificing and we have had to help her buy groceries. Her landlord has been taking less rent money only because he realizes no one else would be able to move in and he wouldn't make anything. Still she's found no job and she searches daily. She's even been to the VA for help because she's a vet (Desert Storm). Thanks Obama! That stimulus has been a real lifesaver (insert sarcasm here). :(

In a rare moment, I find myself on the same page with you. - You raise a good point

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especially since the arbitrary percentages Congress uses when picking and choosing which claimants can and cannot qualify for extended benefits in the higher tiers do not account for those folks you mentioned or the underemployed. I believe the current cut off percentage is 8.5. Those who live in states whose rates fall below that number are disqualified for extended benefits in those higher tiers.

My state teeters on the 8.3 number, but the major cities within the state have rates that exceed that number. In my case the city is at 8.9...which should qualify claimants who live here, but in fact does not, according to which way the wind blows up there in DC.

My understanding is that were all unemployed, underemployed and those who have stopped looking for jobs accounted for, the rate would jump as high as 16%-18%, a more relistic yet very scarey number. All the more reason to sound off any chance we get. For those posters who are reading this exchange, I implore you to help out by signing the petition. The alleged UI so-called "bums" are in the extreme minute minority and for the most part, the rest of them are simply innocent bystanders who through no fault of their own find themselves without work looking for jobs that do not exist.

Case in point: A 61 year old laid off due to outsourcing, too young to retire, unemployed for 5 months, sending out as many resumes per week as is humanly possible, knowing full well the obstacles and handicap 61 years of life introduces into the mix. Welcome to my world.

Re: Stop Pppunishing the Unemployed - dobe

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I live in a little town outside of Las Vegas. I was a construction truck driver for 30 yrs. I've never been out of work for more than a week that I didn't want to. I've been out of work for 2 years now. I finally gave up and decided to try MT, went to and graduated from Career Step, and still can't get a job. Oh, by the way, NVs unemployment rate is somewhere around 13.2% now.

Dylan Ratigan had on his show today that the real jobless rate is 16.9% - Backwards Typist

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the Long term unemployment is 6.5%. Sounds really good doesn't it?

He stated the U.S. needs 170,0000 more jobs to get the economy going.

Also, from another source, Paulson had a few uneasy remarks made at a conference. I've been looking to see if I could find his speech, but no luck so far.

Dylan doesn't like Paulson, stated he's the problem, not the remedy since he once worked on Wall Street, eitheir Goldman Sachs or Lehman Bros. Either way, how does someone who collects millions of dollars in bonuses from a company that practically goes under save for the TARP, get the highest financial position with the government?

I'm hoping MSNBC posts his show from today. It was really interesting.

It is 17.9% where I live in Michigan by s/m - MIMT

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so just imagine if they really counted the underemployed and those that have fallen off unemployment due to no more extensions, we would be at 36%. Things have got to change.

It is 11.4 in - Oregon. No message

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Oh brother! - anon

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Why would anyone vote in a democrat congress who is continuing on with the rise in unemployment doing nothing (i.e. working on nothing) to fix a bad situation. Not to mention all the other bad decisions they are making with our economy and other issues.

Elect a democratic congress??? No thank you.

Elect officials that have shown and proven they know how to fix the problems or have solutions whether they be democrat or republican or independent? Yes please.

I'm not voting for anyone because of their political party anymore. I'm focusing on the representatives who have proven they know what they are doing (i.e. I will listen to their ideas before I look for that little (R) or (D) after their name.

Right now democrats are showing they do not know how to fix the problems, and will not listen to anyone's ideas unless they have that little (D) after their name, no matter whose fault it is. Time to stop the blame and work for the people. Unfortunately this congress is not doing that. We are more than a year or two after electing the last officials and they are doing nothing to help the American people. I say vote out the incompetence.

Looks like the democratic party is panicking with a website like this one.

Did you notice the stock market topped 11,000? Thats a - 3,000+ point rise since O took office.

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Or near 40%. Not too shabby.

Looks like the fix is at least in gear and - headed in the right direction.

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I suppose you will be mourning this success in improving the panicky free fall Obama addressed the moment he arrived in Washington.

Oh brother! - Funny when it goes down you say it has no bearing - anon

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Not only that but the stock market is manipulated and there is no rhyme or reason.

Trying to grasp at straws I see.

Sorry, no soup for you.

I say no such thing. Dont need to grasp for straws when - the numbers speak for themselves. nm

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nm

Yeah, and so do the UNEMPLOYMENT numbers!.nm - GetReal

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nm

Economics 101: Stock market returns=leading indicator. - Unemployment rate=lagging indicator of

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economic recovery. Face it. The legislation hit its mark aimed at the stock market. Jobs are typically the LAST to recover in a long line of other indices:

1. Housing starts,
2. Consumer Price Index (a measure for inflation).
3. Consumer Leverage Ratio.
4. Industrial production.
5. Bankruptcies.
6. Gross Domestic Product.
7. Broadband internet penetration.
8. Retail sales.
9. Stock market prices.
10. Money supply changes.
11. Personal income.
12. Gross domestic product.
13. Industrial production.
14. Retail sales.

to name a few.

If you believe we are headed in the right direction, - boy do I have something to sell you!.nm

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nm

So I guess you are one of those who would rather - root for failure.

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Just can't stand the idea that recovery might be visibly underway before the election, huh? It's seven long months away. Stock market returns (among others indicators already mentioned) say recovery looms just around the corner.

I root for the USA. Obama is not pro USA. - Therein lies the problem.nm

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nm

Actually, OBama is pro USA --pro GOVT of the USA.nm - BringItOn

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nm

When faced with inescapable facts, reverting to worn out - O slams does not an argument make

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Not if you care anything at all about believability. Neither does bankrupt overused propaganda. Bring what on? It was juvenile when Bush said it and it is no less juvenile when you say it.

See how you guys are? When faced with the truth - you make fun of others. :).nm

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nm

Hey, the BringItOn bravado was not my idea. - Besides, I find

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no humor and gain no pleasure in seeing political discourse reduced to this elementary school age mind set. From here I sit, she mad fun of herself.

Not if you root for the failure of the economy for the sake - of making political hay

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which is exactly what you are doing by refusing to acknowledge positive signs of recovery. No recovery allowed until after November, and only unless and until pubs can take credit, huh? If that's the case, your subject line amounts to no more than another boring instance of pub hypocrisy and certainly does not indicate sincere support for the USA. Phoney patriotism is even more despicible than phoney outrage.

Baloney! I look at policies and substance. Obama - is not working for the people, but against

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their success. This country was successful when becoming "the land of opportunity". His policies all work to make the Govt more powerful and the people less powerful, all while tripling the deficit for future generations to pay. If all you have is to claim the stock market has improved and nothing else has, well it wont last long either.

If thats what you do, take a look at the legislation goals - and the resulting market improvements

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and give cedit where credit is due. Otherwise, the baloney is all yours.

When Main Street and small business does well, - I will give credit, but since Obama is against

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that, it is not going to happen until either after November when Congress gets some balance, or years down the road after Obama is gone.

How does that claim square with the 30 billion set aside - for SB Recovery Plan?

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http://www.savingtoinvest.com/2009/03/tax-breaks-in-obamas-15-billion-small.html

Sorta like the 1.75 trillion he found in his in box - on inauguration day?

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Is this an equal opportunity outrage, or is it strictly confined to the current administration?

Obama should FIRST DO NO HARM, but instead, he - Citizen

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Causes more harm. Americans are finally seeing through him, but its a little late.

Oh, thats okay, he can get more money from his - "STASH". A woman actually said that.

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Americans can be so ignorant that its frightening. -which explains Obama as president

I would be willing to bet that statement did not come - from the left side of the aisle.

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But I do agree with you about the ignorance being frightening. I just don't draw the same ill-informed conclusion as you do.

IT CAME FROM AN OBAMA VOTER. I SAW IT!! - She voted for O for the "help".nm

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nm

You should have stopped while you were behind. - sm

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Careful. Your hate for the downtrodden is showing, a trait that tends to erode credibility. She probably meant he same kind of help the rest of the party felt they needed, coming out of 8 years of W, but definitely not the kind you are trying to imply. Go preah to the choir. Nobody else can take such statements seriously.

Failure to address a question directly not all that convincing. - Neither is involking

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shallow little superficial catch phrases lifted from Focks.

The stock market was on the rise when Woodrow Wilson was in office - and he led us into a depression - nm

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nm

Big whoop! People need JOBS !.. dont you get it?nm - mt22

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nm

Being unemployed, yes I get it, dear. Does not mean - the resurrection of the market

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from free fall to sustained, steady rising improvement is not a sign of recovery. Market recovery was an expressed goal of the legislation pubs constantly pronounce to be a failure any chance they get...and by the looks of thing, it's working and they are wrong about that.

Its obvious, "dear", that you dont get it. LOL.nm - GetReal

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nm

And the substance of your argument is - Because I said so, THATS why? Uh-huh. nm

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nm

Snooty people who call everyone who disagrees with - them "dear" deserve what they get.nm

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nm

Wow. I guess you told me, huh? Last time I checked, dear - is a term of enDEARment.

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Far be it for me to be a snoot, unless of course you invoking tpot speak, in which case, I'll take that as a compliment. BTW, elders employ that term as a matter of course. Are they too all snoots? Suppose you take a stab at explaining what is so all-fired offensive about the word. It certainly beats the neck out of pinko, commie, socialist, leftie, thug, etc, etc, etc, which you guys hurl at the drop of a hat.

You are pretty threatened by the tpots, huh? - You have reason to be.nm

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nm

Get real. Nauseated? Yes. Threatened? By what? - Ignorance is pathetic, not intimidating. sm

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For example. They couldn't answer a direct question if their lives depended on it.

About why the market went up - just some info

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Caterpillar Helps Power Dow Above 11000

The Dow climbed 8.62 points, or 0.08%, to 11005.97, its highest close since Sept. 26, 2008. Caterpillar was the measure's best performer, up $1.46, or 2.2%, to 66.73, after Baird upgraded its investment rating on the industrial giant's stock to "outperform" from "neutral." The firm cited higher machinery production rates and an expected increase in global mining capital spending. - Taken from the Wall Stree Journal.

I'm not sure about your area of the country, but not all of us out here buy a caterpillar machine every day. It is because of caterpillar why the dow went up. That does not mean the economy is improving just because caterpillar was upgraded.

This rise in the stock market is not a sign the the economy is doing great now, and nobody has anything to worry about. People are still out of work. Unemployment is on the rise. Government is still printing money and spending and doing nothing to help the economy.

The stock market is manipulated. Big business controls it. When I start to see jobs being created, unemployment going down, gas prices stabilizing etc, then I will say to which ever president is in office and whoever is in congress - way to go.

So what do you suppose accounts for the steady climb - and stabilization?

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Your short-sighted explanation doesn't hold water.

You're right. It's all Obama's fault. (nm) - Nikki

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NM

Thanks, Nik, for the much needed chuckle to break - the tension. nm

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nm

Thanks, but I think it takes more than that to break the tension - on this board. (nm) Nikki

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;-)

And do you realize it went DOWN to 6500 or thereabouts right after he was elected? - Backwards Typist

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Do you know which stocks have pushed this up to 11,000? Health insurance companies...why? Because of Obamacare. They are speculating that since insurance is mandated and everyone has to have it, those putting their money in health insurance companies will make a bundle.

Stock market timeline...sm - oldtimer

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In October 2007 the DJIA hit its high point of over 14,000. In October 2008 it had plummeted to 9000 and continued to a low in March 2009 of 6500. Since then, It has steadily rebounded to over 11,000 in approximately one year. Those are the facts, interpret them how you wish.

Yes. I realize the momentum of the free fall that - started under Bush could not

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be reversed until Obama was inaugurated, legislation passed (in spite of stick-in-the-mud party of no's best efforts to obstruct) and its effect allowed SOME TIME to evolve. I did not expect him to pull rabbits out of a hat.

Dont expect to much from him, then, except more debt.nm - lalalalala

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nm

Its the pubs who are looking for him to pull rabbits out of hats. - My expectations are considerably more realistic.nm

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nm

So what pub website is trying to amass support for the - 17+ million unemployed?

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Just because the party is committed to re-electing itself in the fall does not in any way imply panic. That's just wishful thinking on your part. Guess you skipped the petition on account of the banner, huh?

No need to currently worry about that when Obama - is robbing us ALL blind.nm

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nm

16.9% unemployment is broad number - Pinko

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and does not represent unemployment but unemployment plus under utilization. Huge difference here. 16.9% is inflated and just relative number. If 16.9% were the actual unemployment rate, there would be greater industry collapse and diminution of entities providing what is considered luxury goods, and that is not happening.

Seems to me that the right has attached themselves to this number and going to play it for all its worth, when in the bigger picture, isn't worth much but political yank.

Realistically, at this point after a recession, the current numbers aren't that bad, and it has nothing to do with political maneuvering, it has to do with manufacturing and service. Once the banks start loaning realistically, those numbers will pick up, but the days of playing fast and loose with money is long gone.

The fact that this process takes time, and not quick enough for some and exploited by the game of politics, is not lost on everyone.

And this answers my question exactly how? - Coburn said all I need to hear about

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pubs viewpoint of unemployed fellow citizens, since he thinks of 17+ million people (their spouses and children) as a "relatively small number of people" who would be affected by his (self-proclaimed) "courageous act" of delaying and obstructing the vote on a 30-day EMERGENCY extension of unemployment benefits while they shuck and jive and continue to ignore the larger bill that would give the claimants a MODICUM of peace of mind by extending the benefits until the end of this year...especially since we all know they are also poised to block any jobs bills initiatives that in any way could make Obama and the democratic Congress look good before November.

You are being ridiculous. My God.. You should be a - politician or salesman. However,

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I see right through your slams. What you need to educate yourself on is the fact that every time a pub asks where the money is going to come from, they only get bashed (by someone like yourself) for even asking. Obama has NO solutions except to spend money into oblivion... money we dont have. His stimulus bill was USELESS. He has not a clue what he is doing, and Biden was correct in saying that you cant have on-the-job training as president, although thats exactly what is happening. Well, then again, Obamas defensiveness and huge ego will not allow him to admit he was wrong. So, will you?

How do you figure. The words were his, not mine. - He was not talking about Paygo

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when he made those remarks. He was turning a blind eye to 17+ millions Americans, their spouses and children and trivializing them as "a relatively small number of people." Bet the 6,000 unemployed in his districts who lost their benefits after April 3 didn't appreciate it one bit, but then again, I guess he thinks he can spare that many votes next time around. And don't EVEN get me started on all the stuff he voted for in a heartbeat that as not paid for in advance when it served his own poltical agenda.

Since I have been unemployed for 5 months myself, I can assure you that I keep myself up to the minute on all the latest developments and do not need you to educate me on this subject. The waiting I am doing as we speak for the INEVITABLE passage of the extension (after he gets done grandstanding for a couple of days) puts my household in the DISTINCT position to have its electricity cut off and I am borrowing money for groceries. Because of him, it is taking 20 days to pass a 30 day extension, so they will have to turn arond and start debating it AGAIN in less than a week. Tellme how that makes any sense whatsoever?

Forgive me if I confine myself to the subject of the thread and ignore the rest of your rants that do not relate to the issues at hand.

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