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For all of you who suddenly have developed a
Posted: Jun 7, 2013
case of amnesia, here is the link "reminding" you what your hero, Bush, did.
Now go ahead and slam Obama again, as usual!
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/politics/16program.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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Okay. Did Bush spy on us on the internet? - Is that A-ok with you?
[ In Reply To ..]nm
Yes, he did. Link provided inside. - sm
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how 'bout reading MY post about the laws when Bush was President - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]I posted several sections of the law AS PASSED when Bush was President. A wee bit hard to change the wording in a law unless it's amended, don't 'cha think?
Okay I will because it needs to be said. - History Lesson is in order
[ In Reply To ..]Here's some links "reminding" YOU what your hero Obama did.
As usual, Obama was against it before he was for it.
History lesson: The crucial differences between Bush and Obama’s NSA phone surveillance programs
Then-presidential candidate Barack Obama opposed the legislation during his primary battle with Hillary Clinton. However, he reversed course shortly after clinching the nomination and voted for a modified version of the bill.
Here is another key difference between the Bush and Obama administration programs.
Bush was fully engaged and committed to the war on terror when the NSA programs were first exposed in 2005, four short years after the bloody 9/11 attacks.
Obama, by contrast, immediately rejected the war on terror for “workplace violence”/”overseas contingency operations” euphemisms and officially declared last week that America’s war on terror is over.
Is it possible that the Obama NSA program has a legitimate counterterrorism/national security objective?
Yes, remotely.
Is it crucially important to consider 1) the creeping, creepy surveillance-state context in which this current administration operates and 2) the naked contempt this current administration has shown for the privacy rights of its political enemies?
Hell yes, absolutely.
…The differences between then and now are glaring.
The new Obama order covers not only phone calls overseas with the specific goal of counterterrorism surveillance, but all domestic calls by Verizon customers over at least a three-month period.
“Not only are they intercepting call data into and out of the country, but they are intercepting all call data in the United States, which goes far beyond what the FISA Amendments Act allows,” Timm said.
“This is an abuse of the Patriot Act on a massive scale,” said Gregory Nojeim, senior counsel at the Center for Democracy and Technology. “Since the law requires that the telephone records sought be relevant to an investigation, it appears that the FBI and the NSA may have launched the broadest investigation in history because everyone’s telephone calls seem to be relevant to it.”
…The “top secret” order issued in April by a judge on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court at the request of the FBI instructs the telecommunications giant Verizon to provide the NSA with daily reports of “all call detail records or ‘telephony metadata’ created by Verizon for communications (i) between the United States and abroad; or (ii) wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls.”
Now go ahead and slam Bush again.
I'll have more links later. Right now my lunch is over and I have work to do.
http://floppingaces.net/most_wanted/history-lesson-the-crucial-differences-between-bush-and-obamas-nsa-phone-surveillance-programs/comment-page-1/
What difference in terms of domestic calls? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Expert: NSA phone data collection has likely been ongoing since 2006
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An expert in this aspect of the law said Wednesday night that the order appears to be a routine renewal of a similar order first issued by the same court in 2006. The expert, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive issues, said that the order is reissued routinely every 90 days and that it is not related to any particular investigation by the FBI or any other agency.
The expert referred to such orders as “rubber stamps” sought by the telephone companies to protect themselves after the disclosure in 2005 that widespread warrantless wiretaps could leave them liable for damages.
The order falls under Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which authorizes the government to make broad demands on telephone carriers for information about calls. In this case, the order requires Verizon to provide “ongoing, daily” information about “all call detail records . . . created by Verizon for communications between the United States and abroad; or wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls.”
That original order was actually reported at the time by USA Today’s Leslie Cauley, who wrote in May 2006, “The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth.” Cauley’s report continued (my emphasis added):
The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans — most of whom aren’t suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews.
“It’s the largest database ever assembled in the world,” said one person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSA’s activities, declined to be identified by name or affiliation. The agency’s goal is “to create a database of every call ever made” within the nation’s borders, this person added.
Based on the leaked court order, if it’s accurate as it appears to be, it would seem that this effort could still be ongoing today.
Thank you for restoring truth!! They can't see past - their hero's smile. (gag)
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