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Florida Court found the Health Care mandate to be

Posted: Jan 31, 2011

be unconstitutional. The decision also states that because this part is unconstitutional, the whole Act is null and void; i.e., they have to start over. Nothing on line yet. Keep looking.

"Congress exceeded its authority" when it required mandatory health coverage. "Because there is no severability clause in the law"; the whole law is unconstitutional.

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Found one paragraph on it so far. - Backwards Typist

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"Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire Act must be declared void. This has been a difficult decision to reach, and I am aware that it will have indeterminable implications. At a time when there is virtually unanimous agreement that health care reform is needed in this country, it is hard to invalidate and strike down a statute titled "The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act."

well thank goodness - mt

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Florida doesn't get to decide what is Federal law!!

You can say that again. Appeals beyond parochial courts will - put a stop to this but pronto.

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Can you say waste of time? How about frivolous lawsuit?

States have the ultimate say. sm - LVMT

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Hopefully, the 27 states with lawsuits will go along with these states for nullification.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/20/AR2011012005860.html

Not on constitutionality. Remember SCOTUS? - Hint: US has 3 branches of govt.

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best news I heard all day!/nm - sm

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best news? - tweedledee

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Just went thru this with keeping our adult under 26 y.o. dependent on our policy in FL. Since the policy/insurance company was in PA (main hub for the company spouse works for and the address to where to send the claims on the insurance card), PA laws applied according to insurance commissioner's office I spoke with in FL. But also, in regards to this being great news? Not sure how that is...i just heard on news that if this goes through (i.e., canceled/deemed unconstitutional), then possibly could mean dependents off parent insurance under age 26. I guess its good news if your rich or something..i surely don't know.

Its the best news because - sm

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It means hopefully other states will follow suit.

It means people won't be forced to buy a product if they don't want it.

It means that maybe now they can start brand new and try to come up with a decent health plan that is a benefit to the American people.

It means that I am hopeful that maybe I can get the same decent health coverage and cost that another person in another state gets.

Something good is coming out of this. I am just very hopeful.

I'm gonna join a union or become a member....sm - you have got to be kidding me

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Of Congress..read it and choke!

REGARDING THE CARE BILL â�� HB3200
This is the second official who has outlined these parts of the Obama Care Bill: Judge Kithil of Marble Falls, TX highlighted the pages he found most egregious.

Page 50/Section 152: The bill will provide insurance of all non-U.S. Residents, even if they are here illegally.

Pages 58 and 59: The government will have real time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations
for Reform Now â�� (ACORN).

Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will NOT be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)

Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctor's fees.

Page 272/section 1145: Cancer hospitals will ration care according to the patient's age.

Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.

Page 425/line 4-12: The government mandates advance care planning consultation. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an â��end-of-life planningâ�� seminar every five years. (Death Counseling).

Page 429/line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write and end-of-life order.

HAD ENOUGH? Judge Kithil then goes on:
â��Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will NOT apply to members of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have and well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a quick â��fixâ�� to make the plan financially sound for their future.â��

2009 Snopes debunked this - Oh c'mon

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How many people are really fooled by this stuff and how come this stuff is still out there?

Here is one debunking:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/30/e-mail-analysis-health-bill-needs-check-/

again with this nonsense? - sm

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I respect anyone's well-reasoned opinions, but you disrespect your own intelligence by posting this nonsense.

The "chain mail" you cite is propaganda designed to anger and confuse the weak-minded.

If you are opposed to the HCR bill, get informed, get reasonable, and make some sense. As long as you continue to disseminate this idiotic propaganda, you are only hurting yourself and contributing to the mass dumbing-down of Americans.

This may be nonsense as you say... - JMJ

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but have you actually been privy to read the bill? Have any of us been privy to read the bill? It's so long that even Congress doesn't know what all is in it and even admitted to it. To me, that's the scariest thing I can imagine. I pray to God it's overturned simply because the American people don't have a clue what it says. To say that something is bogus just because you have faith in our government and president is about as foolish as you can get. You want to talk about dumbing down, let's talk about those who are so gung-ho about a bill they know absolutely nothing about. Blind faith in our government and president is a bad mistake.

you didn't just call me foolish, did you? - read me

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Yes, I am privy to the bill.
So are you.

Here is a link, though I seriously doubt you will read it, as I don't believe you are interested in the facts:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf

I called the post above bogus because it's bogus - not because I have faith in the government, and not because I am foolish.

I certainly hope all citizens can distinguish truth from fiction - whether they have "faith in our government" or not.

You don't need to talk to me about blind faith. I have a rather cynical stripe, I question authority, and I don't fall prey to the brand of emotional sensationalism that is all the rage today.

I will read the link you posted... - JMJ

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however, this doesn't guarantee this is what the bill actually says. It would be nice if we could distinguish truth from fiction but, when dealing with the government, there is no such thing. We are usually told what they want us to hear and no more and, in particular, this president seems to think he is some sort of king. Our government is based on "for the people, by the people." This president (as well as others in the past) seems to think otherwise.

truth vs fiction - sm

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I don't agree that distinguishing truth from fiction is that difficult.

Based on your posts, you are more inclined to believe what you wish, regardless of the information at hand.

You bought into the propaganda without a question. Yet, when I provide a link to the actual bill, you doubt its veracity.

And you state the president "seems to think he is some sort of king".

I think paranoia and bias are at work here.

And I don't agree.... - JMJ

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that distinguishing fact from fiction is all that easy, especially if the government is giving the "facts." Our government lies to us continually. Maybe I'm just more inclined to question the information at hand instead of fall for anything. Providing a link to the bill does not guarantee that is the actual bill. If it is so long that even Congress hasn't read it all, why should I believe that it has been posted on the Internet? How gullible can a person get?? Paranoia and bias have nothing to do with it. It's called "what you see is what you get." This president is the most arrogant I've ever seen. He ignores the wishes of the American people and does what he wants. You can't ignore the facts and accusing others of being paranoid and bias won't change them. ; )

I rest my case... - sm

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Indeed, I see that distinguishing fact from fiction is not easy for you.

You say you question the information at hand, but let me remind you that you bought into the propaganda without question.

You think bias has nothing to do with it, yet you can't stay on topic without calling the president arrogant. Further, the president doesn't pass laws. We, the people, elect representatives to do this. The president can't just "do what he wants".

You state I ignore the facts. Which facts, exactly, am I ignoring?

I see you just like to argue... - JMJ

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You're not really interested in anybody's opinion except your own, much like our president. ; )

I don't argue... - sm

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I unleash potent salvos. ;)

Okay, then what does..... - see message

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What does Page 50/Section 152 say?

What does Pages 58 and 59 say?

What does Page 65/section 164 say?

What does Page 203/line 14-15 say?

What does Page 241 and 253 say?

What does Page 272/section 1145 say?

What does Page 317 and 321 say?

What does Page 425/line 4-12 say?

What does Page 429/line 13-25 say?

Since all that was posted is "idiotic proganda" what do those sections of the bill say?

I'm serious. I've been looking to verify this, have not found this yet, but since you know, then what do those sections say in the bill?

Yeah, keep smoking whatever you're smoking. - me

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Obama's bill is the only piece of federal healthcare legislation that will occur in our lifetimes.

I guess that I think that your 26-year-old child... - Kendra

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should be an adult and provide his/her own insurance. Most insurance companies will insure dependent students to age 21. Above and beyond that, grow up. Just my opinion, I guess, but why should mommy and daddy or mommy and daddy's insurance continue to support able bodies adult children?

Please excuse the typo. It should read... - Kendra

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"able bodied."

In case you haven't noticed - young people shoulder a large

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of the unemployment problem:

Among major demographic groups, the unemployment rates for young men (20.5 percent),
blacks (33.4 percent), and Asians (21.6 percent) continued to trend up from a
year earlier; the jobless rates for young women (17.5 percent), whites
(16.2 percent), and Hispanics (22.1 percent) were virtually unchanged.

Even if they are employed, they are morely likely to have low-paying jobs without benefits such health care insurance.

In case you haven't noticed... - Kendra

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My parents' generation (because I will wager that I am younger than you think I am) seems to have raised a generation of young adults who largely seem to feel that they are entitled to just about everything. Many of my peers believe that they should start at the top of whatever they do, rather than doing the hard work to get there, and if they can't, they would rather not have a job at all. Should they not have a job or a have a low paying job, well then someone else should provide them with health insurance and food stamps while they continue to pay for high-priced cable TV and smart phone service. What a bunch of entitlement crap.

I couldn't agree with you more. - sm

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We have gone from a country who refused any type of handout because of our pride and would work for peanuts to provide what we could....and nowadays everyone has their hands out saying "gimme."

I was on my dad's health insurance plan while I was in college. I graduated from college at the age of 20....and provided for myself. Moved out...got my own apartment. Paid for my own things....including health. I also worked when I was in high school to pay for my own college education and continued to work a job while I worked in college.

Kids are given too much today and they feel they are entitled. We have different ethnic groups thinking other groups owe them something. There is no such thing has being self reliant. It is all about what you can get for nothing anymore. It is truly sad.

Perhaps if our society would stop punishing those who are successful and reward those who work hard....maybe this lazy mindset of being entitled without working for it would stop.

Perhaps but if Obama is so wonderful and - sm

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and turning our economy around...this unemployment issue won't continue so we won't need this provision. I can understand being allowed on your parent's health insurance while you are in college...but once you graduate from college or are not in college for any reason....you shouldn't be on your parent's health insurance until you are 26. That is just plain ridiculous.

I agree, the goal is to raise independent children - not those who are dependent upon us at 26

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Watch video....very disturbing. - sm

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ

Can you explain how poverty and pre-existing conditions - ration health care? nm

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Seriously? Did you NOT watch the video? - sm

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Government will be in control of our health care. People who cannot afford insurance will be insured. That means we will be adding several poverty stricken people to the cost. Health care costs will skyrocket and cost our country HUGE amounts of money. The only way to offset the cost is to ration the care people get. As for pre-existing conditions...those are just more people added to the government health care system that will need to be paid for...again....cost more money and ultimately care will have to rationed to offset the rising health care costs.

Healthcare For All - mbmt

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I personally think everybody deserves good healthcare. The idea that only those who are successful and can afford insurance should be taken care of is just crazy.

I agree...sm - JMJ

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EVERYONE deserves good care for disease or accidents (health care is an oxymoron) if the individual wants it. I don't believe, however, that an individual should be forced to buy insurance if they don't want to but suffer the consequences of having to self pay without it and, if they do want it, it should be made available at a cost that each individual can afford according to each individual's personal income.

No one will dispute that - sm

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there are some people who need health care and don't have the means to get it. I think it was crazy to vote for a hastily put together health reform when the CBO says the current House plan would increase the deficit by $239 billion over 10 years. And that number will likely continue to rise over the long term. Similar entitlement bills in the past, including Medicare, have scored much lower than their actual eventual cost.

If our country goes bankrupt because of all these entitlement programs, then what? We have already borrowed from other countries. These other countries are NOT going to keep giving us money. When we have no money for entitlement programs...then what?

I actually do dispute that, sort of... - Kendra

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I think that cell phones are not a necessity. I think that TV service (cable or satellite) is not a necessity. I think that insurance should not be subsidized for people who can afford tattoos (they are expensive) and to go out drinking or out to eat. I think that insurance cost should not be income based because then those with more money end up shouldering a much heavier load, which they already do through taxes. At some point, if you tax those with money more and more and more, they no longer have money. The unfortunate fact is that many who don't have health insurance choose to spend money on other trivial things that we, as a society, have somehow deemed to be necessary. I will give you that there are some who flat-out can't afford it, and that is where community based charities come into play. We already have a Medicaid system in place to help those who are low income and emergency rooms do not turn people away. How much more pandering to the poor do we really need?

Amen!!! you said it!!! - nm

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Do you not get that it is not just the poor...sm - oldtimer

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who benefit from the healthcare bill. Denial of healthcare insurance for preexisting conditions affects people of all econonic levels.

I love how conservatives dump on poor people. - me

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It's the American way, isn't it?

I know as an IC I would certainly benefit from a good public healthcare system. But I guess I should just pull myself up by my own bootstraps and quit whining, huh?

And, Kendra, I have to be honest, you sound like an awful beeatch. Oh, and you listen to too much El Rushbo.

As much of a beeatch as I am.... - Kendra

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I am certainly not going to resort to calling you names. I do think that many poor people would benefit from some hard work--not all, but many. I think that our current welfare system and the way that we are trending are only serving to keep poor people poor, rather than help them out of where they currently are. Just my beeatchy opinion. And by the way, I don't like Rush.

Easy for you to say. - Military Madness

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Aren't you and your family paid by the government and covered with government health insurance? If I remember correctly, you are a military family. Personally, that is where I would start cutting costs. Eliminate all the military perks, including health insurance, and make military families pay out of pocket just like everyone else.

I am assuming this is just a personal attack as - I have a hard time believing

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that you would actually say that and mean it. Are you suggesting a large deductible for a combat wound while protecting our country? Would you like for it to be paid in the field?

Military is a career; one that I would not want. My husband had actually talked to a recruiter not long after we married, and of course, we decided against it as the pay was so low that with a child we would have more than likely had to seek government assistance just to have food. There sure weren't enough perks agree to spend a minimum of a year overseas in war, but I sure am thankful for all of those who have been willing to do so.

I have family that are military and others that have been. Remind on how much they get free when they aren't in active duty. They must be getting more perks that what I remember.

Nothing personal about it at all. - Military Madness

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Why are my tax dollars going to pay for health insurance and other perks for the families of military personnel? Certainly, if someone has a large combat wound, that should be taken care of by the military. However, if being in the military is just like any other career, why do they receive special perks? I just did a Google search of military benefits, and the list is endless. You want to cut the deficit, start by cutting all of the benefits that are given to military families and not to ordinary citizens.

I think it takes a lot of nerve for a person reaping the benefits of the military to complain about poor people getting health insurance!

It is absolutely personal... - Kendra

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Military pay is below the pay for private sector, especially when considering that they often work 7 days a week. I have never said that military service is just like any other career, mostly because it's not. Our family gets uprooted every few years, I am forced to raise my sons as a single parent much of the time and my husband gets called away from family dinners to do stuff that I really don't think is necessary, like attend some stupid meeting last night that could just as easily have waited until today, but that is the life that we have and I am thankful for it. I am thankful that my husband is the brave man that he is who is willing to fight for other people and that he is willing to serve his country. I am thankful for the benefits that we get, although I am sure that the list is not as long as you think it is. We are certainly not rich, but we do alright. I am most of all thankful that most people are thankful for what he does, too, and almost all of them are at least polite. For the rest of you, I suppose that you are welcome to your opinion, but you are wrong. If anyone else thinks that government health care is a good idea, feel free to get your care at a military hospital. Who better to say that socialized care is not good than someone who is forced to participate in the closest thing to it that we have?

What about all of the other benefits? - Military Madness

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As I said, the list is endless. There are "poor" people who would be thrilled to have any type of health insurance, but you want to deny them that right. If you don't like the "socialized" health care you receive, why don't you buy a private policy? Too expensive, you say? Welcome to the real world!

Those poor can certainly feel free to... - Kendra

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join the military. There are certainly not endless benefits to being in the military. If that were true, they would not be paying people to recruit, there would be lines down the street trying to get in. I am not going to argue with you any more, as you just take anything I say as an excuse to attack me and the military members who would bravely defend even your home. And just so you know, there are instances that I pay out of pocket to see private doctors. If the military were the rosy deal that you seem to think it is, why are people not beating down the door to get in? With all of those endless benefits, one would think that I could afford to send my son to preschool and quit my job, right?

That what I was thinking, Why don\'t they enlist? - Kill 2 birds with one stone

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get all of those perks and insurance, not to mention a paycheck!

What makes you think that we don't earn our health insurance? - Kendra

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My husband spends months on end away from home in combat zones. They recall him in to work at all hours and he must take leave to go beyond a certain distance from the base. His pay is not high (and even lower when you consider that he is on call 24 hours per day). What makes you think that our health insurance is free? He missed the birth of our son because he was in Iraq. My insurance is bought and paid for, but thanks for your oh so nice comments. And I am the one who gets called names?

Well, why can't you buy health insurance? - Backwards Typist

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When I was IC, I bought health insurance for DH and I.

When I became an employee of a company, I opted in for the health insurance. Cost was the same.

Being an IC doesn't mean you don't have access to health care. It's out there. In fact, there are many more choices to buy health insurance privately than there are being an employee.

Isn't "good public healthcare system" an oxymoron? - mmmmm

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I have yet to see a good public healthcare system, but keep on dreaming.

But why should an insurance company... - Kendra

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be forced to insure someone who is already sick? Why should a person be allowed to live without insurance until they need and then purchase it? Can't you see that doing that will drive up insurance costs for those of us who are responsible enough to carry insurance BEFORE we get sick? Why should someone who has not paid in while he/she is healthy be allowed to reap the benefits once he/she is ill and will never stand a chance of paying in as much as he/she draws out? If said person fails to pay when he/she does not need the insurance, why should he/she be allowed to come in after the fact? Ever read the grasshopper and the ant?

Do you think that insurance companies should be forced... - Kendra

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to sell life insurance to those with end-stage terminal diseases?

Reached zero credibility in record time - at 0:47

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utter drivel

Um...NO it didn't. - It is VERY credible - see message

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Dr. Janda is very credible. And since he knows more about this and has done the research on it than you have I will listen to him. Just because you disagree with it does not mean it's not credible.

Since you didn't research him here's some info for ya.

David H. Janda, M.D. is an orthopedic surgeon based in Ann Arbor, Michigan and a member of a nine-member orthopedic surgery group. In addition, Dr. Janda is the Director and founder of the Institute for Preventative Sports Medicine, based in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Dr. Jandaâ��s academic career has been highlighted by many awards and distinctions. In addition, he obtained a Bachelor of Arts Degree majoring in Chemistry and in Economics and graduated Magna Cum Laude from Bucknell University in Lewisburg, Pennsylvania. He obtained his M.D. degree from Northwestern University Medical School in Chicago and served as one of the leaders within the medical school community as a member of the Senate for a three-year duration. Dr. Janda then completed an internship and residency at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, and then completed a fellowship in shoulder reconstructive surgery and sports medicine in London, Ontario, Canada.

Dr. Janda, in addition to being a clinical orthopedic surgeon, has also distinguished himself in the research arena.

Dr. Janda has been awarded the clinical research award by The American Orthopedic Society of Sports Medicine. The Canadian Academy of Sports Medicine has awarded him, the R. Tait McKenzie Award, which is given for outstanding clinical research on an international basis.

Sheepskins cant hide ill conceived partisan agendas. - Zero credibility at 0:47.

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He has nothing to say I need to hear beyond that point, where he managed to discredit himself as a snake oil salesman in one fell swoop. If he is so educated, well read, distinguished, blah, blah, blah, he should have known better.

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Mar 17, 2017
I am now paying 3 times the amount I was paying for insurance premiums only 3 months ago. I'm making 1/3 of what I made 15 years ago. I am literally working for minimum wage. Something has to change or I'm joining the millions of people, including illegal immigrants and people who refuse to work, to get my free insurance, too (which I'm now paying for). ...

Jun 23, 2017
I know Obamacare needs some fixes--at least it was a step in the right direction. I am still doing reports where people are in the acute care hospital setting because they did not take their maintenance medications for hypertension and diabetes, etc. I do not know why they let their Medicaid lapse, but they are in crisis. How much does a prescription for BP meds cost versus the hospital stay + rehab for stoke patients? How much does insulin and blood testing cost versus blindness, ampu ...

Oct 15, 2009
By Ken Kupchik Stupid things are always said in politics, whether it's to curry favor with ill-informed constituents, or because a politician is a missing filter between his brain and mouth. Based on the level of discourse during the recent health care debate, it appears that the far right possessed the lion's share of stupid comments. Here is the cream of the crap: 10) Sarah Palin temporarily came out of book-writing reclusion to claim that a health-care overhaul would create "dea ...

Nov 05, 2009
Common Sense Health Care our Nation can afford. - This makes sense to me. The American people have spoken. They oppose government-run health care. Republicans are on the side of the American people. What Americans want are common-sense, responsible solutions that address the rising cost of health care and other major problems. In the national Republican address on Saturday, October 31, 2009, House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) discussed Republicans’ plan for common- ...

Nov 23, 2009
Support for health care bill falls to new low http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform And say what you want about Sen. Joe Liberman, but he is earning my respect. Ms. Lincoln even stated she was "shocked by the “unbelievable type of threats” she had received.". As I was thinking this morning I wonder how many will be threatned if they don't vote for it. ...

Dec 23, 2009
Despite all the hubbub about health care, the United States can have affordable health care tomorrow if we want it. There have been real solutions available, solutions that have been right under our noses for decased,but you don't often hear about them and the prospects of getting them are rather grim unless the public is apprised of them. Today's debates and town hall meetings have not been about reducting the overall cost of health care, but about who's going to pay for it. See ...

Dec 13, 2010
This is good news. Now if politicians could just make health care affordable for all. I'd love the same rates as someone in Idaho or other states have. Make health insurance competitive, they have to accept pre-existing conditions and nobody could ever be refused health care and I think that would be a great way for a new year. But forcing people to buy a product they don't want is just not right and I'm glad this judge saw how unconstitutional it is. &nbs ...

Feb 14, 2010
These people are ONLY interested in making Obama look bad, not in the american people. This is beyond stupid. http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-february-11-2010/the-apparent-trap ...

Nov 16, 2010
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May 25, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJIC7kEq6kw&feature=youtu.be This guy makes a lot of sense to me. ...

Mar 09, 2010
This is the kind of thing you get when the government muddles around in the health care system - and it will be coming to a government database near you soon! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7408379/Patients-medical-records-go-online-without-consent.html ...

Mar 13, 2010
It is estimated that there is at least 100 billion dollars health care fraud annually. There are truly needy people and they should be helped. But there are also many people who don't have health insurance because they just do not want to pay premiums, use their money for other things instead, when they could pay and are able to pay. This is just not right and this needs to be stopped, and that should make a dent in health care costs. Why not go after the health care ...

Oct 26, 2010
Health care employment rose by 24,000 in September. The increase was concentrated in ambulatory health care services (+17,000). Health care employment has risen by an average of 21,000 per month this year. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf ...

Mar 19, 2010
CBO estimates IRS will need nearly 17,000 new agents to look for people who don't buy a government-mandated insurance policy. This is basically going to be another reason to audit tax returns, and people who don't comply will essentially be treated like tax evaders with the IRS using its "normal" powers of enforcement by levyings fines, penalties and liens against bank accounts, seizing property, etc. And, assuming that the IRS will fold this into its usual enforcement operations, ...