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Posted: Jul 25, 2017

What about the promises of bringing more jobs? What happened to that? Of course Trump does not care if people lose their jobs as long as he thinks he is erasing everything Obama! Do you think these jobs will be replaced by anything the republicans can dream up for healthcare? No stinking way baby!

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Why do you people continue to promote false narratives? - sm

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That's all I see. Fake news. False narrative. Hate-filled resist rants. Blah. Blah. Blah.

Learn the truth and feel better or feel like crap worrying about the untruths.

Put you money where - your mouth is!

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If you think that is fake, prove it. Otherwise don't Blah. Blah. Blah yourself!

Post a workable link. - Einstein

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Maybe you don't know how. You sound awfully young.

Link works fine! - And uh, No

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not young! Tired of the immediate ugly responses coming from those who disagree without backing up their point that's all!

It does - indeed work fine. nm

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Thanks, it didn't work for me either. - May be a browser issue.

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It said I needed to subscribe.

I think WaPo - only allows

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10 view per month before it requires you subscribe. I copied text for you all who can't view it:

America could lose more than a million jobs if the Senate votes to repeal the Affordable Care Act on Tuesday.
That’s according to a report from George Washington University’s Milken Institute School of Public Health and the Commonwealth Fund.
“This legislation could single-handedly put a big dent in health care job growth,” said Leighton Ku, the lead author of the report and the director of the Center for Health Policy Research at George Washington University.
Repealing the law, also known as Obamacare, would dramatically scale back federal funding for health care, especially Medicaid. That translates into job losses as hospitals, retirement homes and other health facilities get fewer dollars.
“We're talking about one out of every 20 health care jobs disappearing by 2026. That's a lot,” Ku said.
Much of the debate over the “repeal and replace” of Obamacare has centered on how many Americans would lose insurance. The bill that Senate Republicans proposed would lead to 22 million fewer Americans with health insurance in the next decade, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. The House Republican bill would leave 23 million fewer people covered, and a straight repeal of Obamacare would bring the most losses of all: 32 million off insurance, according to the CBO.
Job losses, however, get much less attention, despite the fact that health care has been a booming field for job growth. Even during the Great Recession, health care jobs continued to grow. A third of all jobs created in the United States in the past decade have been in health care.
According to the Labor Department, 15.7 million Americans have jobs in health care today — roughly 1 in 9 workers. And a lot of the job growth Trump has heralded so far in his tenure has also come from health care.
Trump says the Senate is “very close” to having the votes to pass, but it's clear the job impact is one of the concerns weighing on some Republican senators' minds. These senators are worried about what their home states would lose if they repeal Obamacare and enact the alternatives under consideration. Federal health dollars would drop, more people would lose insurance and many good-paying jobs would go away.
Since Obamacare went into full effect in 2014, 1.2 million people have gained employment in health care. Most of the jobs have come in hospitals and outpatient care where people are treated for non-emergencies. Many hospitals, such as Harris Medical Center in Newport, Ark., have seen their “bad debts” drop substantially since more patients have been able to pay since Obamacare was enacted. At Harris, bad debt has been cut in half. That has allowed hospitals to expand services — and jobs.
Sen. Susan Collins of Maine is one of the GOP senators who has come out strongly against the Senate's Better Care Reconciliation Act (BCRA). BCRA “would also jeopardize the very existence of our rural hospitals and our nursing homes, which not only provide essential care to people in rural America, but also are major employers in the small communities in which they are located," Collins said on ABC's “This Week.”
["You destroy the Medicaid program and you can kiss your nursing homes goodbye.”]
The CBO didn't calculate job losses, but the health experts at George Washington University did, using a similar economic model to the CBO's. “Our analyses shows that almost every state ends up being a loser on jobs,” Ku said.
The report finds that every state would lose health care jobs almost immediately as federal health care funding is cut, especially for Medicaid. The 31 states that expanded Medicaid funding, including West Virginia and Ohio, would be especially hard hit.
In total, nearly a million jobs in health care would be lost by 2026 under BCRA, as well as another half a million jobs in other sectors from the cutbacks in spending by health organizations and employees who are laid off.
The job losses under the House bill are similar, although slightly less (924,000 in total). Ku and his team didn't look at what would happen if the Senate just does a straight repeal of Obamacare without replacing it with anything, but Ku told The Washington Post the job reductions would likely be similar to the 1.45 million under BCRA.
As with any study, these are estimates. Assumptions had to be made and no one knows what the future will hold, especially in a field like health care that is experiencing innovative technological advances. Still, there's widespread agreement among economists that health jobs would likely decline in coming years under the GOP plans. The disagreement is over whether other sectors would gain or lose jobs.
“Congress definitely should be considering the impact of the Obamacare repeal on job growth in health care,” said Gary Young, director of the Northeastern University Center for Health Policy and Healthcare Research. “The question is does the repeal have a positive impact on job growth in other sectors of the economy?”
Young hasn't run his own models, but he points out that President Barack Obama helped sell his health reform by telling the business community that his plan would reduce health costs overall and thus spur growth in other industries. Job growth did pick up in Obama's second term, although it's debatable how much of a role health care costs played in that. Health care costs still grew, albeit at a slower pace.
For senators weighing whether to vote yes on Tuesday, a key factor is what Collins said: Many of the job losses would hurt communities that can least afford them.
“The groups that will get hit the most are rural hospitals and inner city teaching hospitals,” said Stuart Altman, a professor of national health policy at Brandeis University.
Many of those rural areas voted heavily for Trump. The president has said he wants to be the “greatest jobs producer that God ever created,” but the bills he is supporting in the Senate would likely slash jobs.

When rate of hospital closures leaps again, as it will - if any version of Chumpcare or NoCare passes,

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many MT/editing jobs will go with them. Of course.

Hospitals are usually among the largest employers in their regioens, in many they're the only large employer, meaning hundreds of people lose good jobs and have to move away, other jobs follow, and whole towns decline when they close.

Under Obamacare the rate of closures dropped nicely but still remained way too high. A high priority Democrats intended to be addressing right now.

Question: What's the Republican-controlled congress's and WH's plan for saving our hospitals?

Crickets. Don't worry. That was a trick question. They do NOT plan to address this or any problem that does not initially free up taxpayer money in the kitty to transfer to the very wealthy and also to drop taxes so low that government assistance to healthcare will be impossible.

Btw, employers are getting out of contributing to healthcare, most out by another five years. And then you'll have what you're enabling: Being on your own: you, free-market insurance companies, and your checkbook.

Oh, also btw: Medicare, Medicaid, VA and Social Security are all on the chopping block if they can swing it. THAT's why this pretense of "reforming" the ACA includes gutting Medicaid.

"You people"... That sentiment right there - is part of the problem.

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What are you, if - you are not people?

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I think you know very well what was meant. - nm

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Why don't "you people" understand that - if millions of people

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lose their insurance and can't afford to go to doctors and hospitals, the doctors and hospitals and anything else associated with the medical field will lose jobs?

Let me put it in a simpler form so "you people" can understand. Let's say McDonald's raised the price of a hamburger to $10 a burger, millions of people decide they cannot afford to eat at McDonald's anymore, we would see employees lose their jobs and McDonald's closing all over the country.

Why don't you post a news source that says otherwise.

Is it just me or are Trump and his supporters getting more and more belligerent? Personally, I think we'll be waking up one day and seeing on the news that Trump has been taken away in a straight-jacket screaming "It's fake news." "You're fired." "It's Hillary's fault."

Are you kidding, the rates for You People have gone up, - some You People, sm

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trusted Obama with the your rates will not change, you can still see your primary provider. All these promises that were just not true. The rates for private insurance have gone up just as the rates for ObamaCare. Doesn't do any good to have ObamaCare if you cannot pay for that either. Give me a break with the Trump bashing. I didn't vote for the guy, I'm Democrat, but really, I think a solution is in order for the ObamaCare that is not working. I have already woken up to the lies presented by President Obama. Seriously, I think if something isn't working, we should fix it. You act as though all YOU PEOPLE are happy with the system the way it is. We are not, including Democrats.

I'm not happy with the system. I'm for - national healthcare

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I'm not saying you shouldn't have your opinion but I don't think it fits as a response to my post. I was talking about medical jobs losses that will happen, what the OP posted about.

As far as bashing Trump, I think he's a nut job, plain and simple, and I believe I have the right to express my opinion about him. I voted Democrat but consider myself more of an independent, but that has nothing to do with job losses if they dump the ACA.

What about the promises made about ObamaCare? - It needs to be erased, sm

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There were many lies by Obama about ObamaCare. This needs to be fixed. It does not work. It is that simple. You think things are going to get better with ObamaCare? No stinking way baby!

But we can't - go back to the

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way it was before Obamacare - it was already becoming unaffordable for people. I worked in the insurance business 1998-2008 and saw the high deductibles and premiums, the step therapy on medications that made people start from basic generics that they had already tried and didn't work before they could get back on what they were already taking, the refusal to give any insurance to some with pre-existing conditions. Obamacare was never perfect, but it was a start. If it is repealed, they have to start over. My bet is that they will not be so willing to make it affordable for anyone and will allow these money-grubbing insurance plans go back to all of those old ways! I think if they would just look at how many will be affected negatively (including those losing jobs as in article) and try to help all people they can come up with something that might just work for us all. It is not as simple as just repeal and replace without looking at everything and everyone that will be affected!

Seriously, I make close to $50,000 a year, ObamaCare wanted - over $300 a month for just me, sm

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Humana wanted close to $200 a month for just me. It is as simple as repeal and replace. The program didn't work from the beginning. A lot of people jumped on the bandwagon and got ObamaCare and unfortunately, now that the rates have gone up, they cannot afford it either. So really, I do not see ObamaCare having been a start. I see it as some sort of political maneuver by a president who was a racist.

My husband an I - make just over

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$50,000 together - but he has diabetes. He pays about $600.00 a month - I don't have coverage - but he was not denied and while the deductible is $5000 a year, his office visits, prescriptions are a reasonable co-pay (under $25.00). That was not possible before Obamacare. And BTW, he does not qualify for the subsidy. Bottom line, Obamacare has helped a tremendous amount of people and shouldn't just be scrapped. It should be fixed to help more people.

Yes, it should be rewritten entirely! - nm

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And by the way, I would have gone to the poor house at $600 a month - for ObamaCare, that's not, sm

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a great deal. How do you do it on $50,000 a year between the two of you? I would be eating beans and corn bread for life. Fact is, that's not affordable by any means. Sounds like the poor house is just right around the corner for many.

We do okay! - No new car for

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a while and luckily our mortgage is under $750.00 a month. We also have a teenager who goes through eating binges, but we survive. My point was though that without Obamacare he would have probably been refused coverage. He used to have insurance through his company, but now is reclassified as an IC, so no more coverage. I am not in any way supporting keeping Obamacare as it is, but all I see is the burning fire to just get rid of it because it came from Obama - not the good that it did. Hopefully, the congress will see that part and find a way to not just throw something together just to have something so that they can preen and say they kept their promise while many Americans suffer!

Well at $7200 a year for ObamaCare, I'm not sure what - insurance company, sm

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wouldn't jump at the opportunity for some of that business. I'm a single mother of two, so I guess I would have to sign my kids up for welfare.

Or no new car EVER! Holy cow! That's all I can say about it! - nm

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The point is that - I know we

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would be in worse shape without the mandates of Obamacare that do not allow insurance companies refuse care for preexisting conditions, like diabetes. Go ahead and repeal, but for the right reasons and then do something better for the people, not just the insurance companies. That is what I am afraid of - republicans do have a track record of protecting big companies instead of people!

My point is, holy hell, that's a lot of money to pay for ObamaCare - sm

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And not all doctors HAVE to accept ObamaCare patients either. So it isn't as great for everyone.

You do realize that the ACA (Obamacare) is a law, not health insurance? - sm

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Under Obamacare no one can be denied health insurance based on a pre-existing condition. I am sure that a man with diabetes or a woman with breast cancer thinks $600 a month, or even more, is a great bargain.

You think $200 a month is expensive? where - have you been?

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Before the ACA, when I was single and looking for insurance it was that much. Oh wait, I couldn't get it because I had diabetes.

No, I didn't think $200 a month was expensive, I thought over $600 and - over 300 was for ObamaCare, nm

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I am in shock. You make almost $50,000/yr and are... - sm

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complaining of $300 a month for coverage? That is only $3600+ per year! I was paying more than that back in 2009 before Obamacare. I am now on Medicare and still pay almost $300 a month and bring in about $1200/month. You are fortunate. Count your blessings.

You are right - Horrible even before Obamacare

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I don't think people have forgotten. I sure haven't. It was a MESS before Obama, just like the death spiraling economy before Obama. Just political catch phrases thrown around to try to heal the other side's hurt feelings. No, Obama didn't fix everything. He DID rightly know that masses of people were suffering under the insurance company's pillaging of those of us who paid for healthcare, needed healthcare but still weren't getting it without going bankrupt.

Doesn't matter, he gave us crap! So now we have to fix that crap - bashing Trump on a, sm

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regular basis isn't going to fix anything either. It's an even bigger mess AFTER OBAMA! Be the one paying for the ObamaCare at over $300 a month or getting fined for not having ObamaCare, and then talk to us about how it was a mess before Obama. But I see I am talking to someone who has great empathy for Obama and his struggles in office. I think Trump has the same rights! He had to step into the ObamaCare MESS!

I pay over $300 a month and couldn't get - insurance before ACA.

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It was a bigger mess before the ACA. Millions of people couldn't get insurance, including me.

I'm not the one you responded to but I did have respect for Obama. He helped pull us out of the recession and got a healthcare plan passed that helped people. I have not seen anything out of Trump that deserves respect. When he gets off that Twitter, stops bullying his administration among others, learns how to tell the truth and actually does something good, then I'll give him respect.

ObamaCare, it's something that should have never happened, - the poor cannot afford it, sm

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The lower income people should have been directed to Medicare/Medicaid and shown how to get the assistance. The ObamaCare is what sucks here, not that someone wants to RIGHT a WRONG. We have been hearing for years and years how Medicaid/Medicare/Social Security and whatever else may not be available in the future, so that isn't NEW news under the TRUMP administration.

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