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Who Funds the Radical Left?

Posted: Apr 8, 2010

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The radical left what? What does Obama have to do with that? - New flash. He is a moderate dem.

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as in middle of the road, seeking bipartisanship, as he so consistently demonstrated during te HCR process. Get a grip.

New flash for you....he's more far left than any other democratic - where have you been

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If you don't really know anything about him and his ideologies then you shouldn't be doing a "news flash". He is way far away from being a moderate democrat. Look has his ideologies, history, and how he wants to transform the country. He is so far left of the hard lefters that it goes off the scale.

who do you think you are talking to? Some 5 year old? - sm

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Obama's ideologies, history and initiatives as president cannot be honestly or adequately assessed by frequenting the sources where these types of conclusions are drawn.

Who do you think is in a better position to say whether or not Obama is moderate or left-wing...a conservative, pub or teapartier or a bona fide left wing radical? I put my money on the lefties to be able to accurately define what it is to be a lefty. That certainly would not be you, dear.

Trust me on this one. A lefty would have never sit idly by and allow the public option (the MOST popular plank of HCR) to be eliminated from HCR, would not be entertaining the idea of offshore drilling, would not be preaching and turning himself inside out for the sake of bipartisanship (to his own political detriment, I might add), escalating or prolonging military activities in Afghanistan, stalling on troop withdrawal from Iraq, continuing to support Israel, would have no part whatsoever in even suggesting we execute the death penalty against an American dissenter in the absence of a trial, etc, etc, etc. Believe you me, there are a TON of etceteras.

Obama is a moderate democrat, straight up, no bones about it.

You said it - sm

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Obama ENTERTAINING THE IDEA and PREACHING.

NEWS FLASH: He is nothing more than an empty suit and is in no way, shape or form a moderate democrat.

et cetera et cetera et cetera!!!!!!!

If this is the only level on which you are able to communicate, - how in heavens name do

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you and your ilk expect to gain even an ounce of credibility, let alone respect, in your quest to spearhead cultural revolution and set the nation's progress back 100 years or so? Who in the world would want to follow this bankrupt lead?

Guess you are unable to address any substance on any level whatsoever. His suit (buzz buzz) has nothing to do with his middle-of-the-road politics and moderate ideologies.

Once again - he has NO middle-of-the-road politics - and certainy NO moderate ideologies

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You really do need to study more about him. His ideas. He is inspired by Saul Alinksy and his people he aligns himself with are very hard hard core leftists. There is no middle ground with him. Research his history, who inspired him, who helped him get where he is, who he takes his ideologies from. Don't read the conservative or liberal sites. Read independent sites. There are many of them out there.

I did not write the post that you are replying to, but you really do need to do some research and keep an open mind. If you like him fine, if you don't fine, I don't care one way or the other, but the information is out there. He is no where near middle, or moderate democrat. Those are not words in his vocabulary or description.

Here is what I know for sure. - sm

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I am a leftist. My personal political views and beliefs arise from more than 4 decades of activism and an avid interest in all things political (not confined to the US, BTW). That means that for more than 25 years, I relied on TV, radio programs, newspapers, books, magazines, college courses and political activism when searching for information, since the internet and chat rooms are a relatively recent advent. It is not as though I have not read enough or am not engaged enough to understand who Obama is and who is he not.

I have also had many opportunities to interact politically in all sorts of international settings (which I find a whole lot more interesting and stimulating than ethnocentric political venues). I have attended events that span far left to far right and everything in between and have examined these issues with people from South America, Europe, Africa, all Middle Eastern countries including Iran, India and Pakistan. I have paid particular interest to those who have lived under socialism, communism, dictatorships, even monarchies.

I can tell you that all you need to do is to acquaint yourself with a mere few global perspectives (specifically as they relate analyses of US politics) to understand the reality of socialism and how it differs from the left wing democrat party members here. I do not agree with all that system has to offer, to be sure, but I will be the first to admit that I do embrace the aspects of socialism that deal with health care.

Obama is not there, not even a little bit. Also, just because someone hangs out with socialists, knows socialists, talks to socialists, reads socialist literature, lives next door to socialists, goes to church with socialists, or any other activity you can think of with socialists, does not make him a socialist. Obama is a perfect example of this.

In the previous post I think I provided enough examples of why I believe this. It is his behavior, his policies, and his own words and not what others write or believe or suspect about him on which I base my judgments about him. In comparison to the real life socialists I have known over the years, this guy doesn't even come close.

Excellent post! nm - ASmom

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nm

Didn't your mother tell you not to hang around with certain people because - Backwards Typist

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they were so-and-so (i.e., catholic, protestant, Jewish, rich, poor, communist, democratic, republican,etc. because they ..... [fill in the blanks])?

Hate to say it, but a person who hangs out with a group with certain ideas will certainly pick up on those ideas and implement them in their lives as if that is the norm.

I'm not qualifying a statement that O is a socialist but....another old saying is "monkey see, monkey do (and don't dare make that to be racial because it's not)." Hanging out with O's 'gang' who are known protestors (Weather Underground, Soros, Ayers, Alinsky, Rev. Wright) and other socialists is bound to wear off on him in his thinking in some ways, especially after 20 years or more.

Did you read his books? They state his ideas prior to becoming POTUS. If you didn't, I would advise you to do that.

I'm still looking for the good in his presidency. Show me quotes from his books if you read them to change my mind.

The incoherence of your post notwithstanding, - sm

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I will try to take a stab at this. My mother taught me to be strong, self-sufficient and independent. She let her views be known to me in no uncertain terms while at the same time encouraged me to think for myself. I took her advice to heart at a very early age, and much to her dismay, I ended up on the opposite end of the political spectrum from her. That did not stop her from continuing to encourage me to seek out my own truth and make up my own mind. I might add that my dad's input was precisely the same and that is the way I have conducted myself as a parent to my own son. I am very, very proud of the results and would never in a million years attempt to shape or dictate his thinking or beliefs. Consequently, he seeks my advice frequently (knowing full well he is under no obligation to actually act on it) and we enjoy a very close, friendly and comfortable relationship as adults.

Your quaint colloquialisms are less than convincing and, frankly, come off as a bit juvenile. I do not subscribe to the simplistic monkey see monkey do notion, especially with folks as intelligent as Obama. Like I said before, his own biography, actions, behaviors and words do not portray the belief system I encountered in scores of acquaintances and friends I have that are socialists, who have lived under a socialist system their entire lives. I stand by my post.

Wow. What is your definition of socialist then? - WHAT?

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..and if you are so independent minded, why in the world would you be supportive of Obama and his policies? They go against that independence. As far as Obama being so intelligent, I think you have been swayed into THINKING he is because the left leaning media constantly shouts it. He and Biden both are turning into huge embarrassments for the USA

With your experience and obvious intelligence you are - definitely

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wasting your time with the ninnies on this board. You are far too articulate and thoughtful for "the majority of the citizens" here. You may as well go shout down a well. It's a shame.

Your paragraph about socialists is truly laughable. - HitTheRoad

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and your bragging regarding all your political expertise is not intimidating, no matter how hard you try to convince. Your opinion is just that, an opinion. My opinion is that Obama IS a socialist. His relationships, his writing, and his policies are evidence. If you want to live a fairy tale, feel free. I tend to face reality.

Pardon the observation, but - sm

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the other poster does not appear to be bragging or intimidating just because she had some life experience. If you want to be respected for your opinion, you might try eliminating five personal slams in a four line post.

I have an opinion, too. I think life is the best teacher. With all the hoopteedoo over the internet and cable news sources, face to face exchanges between real people tend to produce the reality of the human experience. That reality lies beyond the reach of the anonymity of the internet and the scripted newscasters with their agenda driven sound bytes.

Someone like the poster who has been around long enough to accumulate that kind of experience probably has a good deal of insight into the issues. I plan to follow the suggestion to read about political perspectives from outside the US about the US. Its sounds interesting and probably would help me to understand more about socialism.

I posted it as I saw it - where have you been

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If you think I spoke to you like you were 5 years old I can't help that you feel that way. Maybe you should read your own post that I replied to. If you are talking about the comment about New Flash, then read your own post because that is what you said to another poster. If you are going to say "News Flash" then you need to follow it with something that is correct. (i.e. - News Flash - Obama won the election, etc. News Flash - Global Warming is a hoax, etc, etc.)

You insulted the previous poster and now you're upset because someone pointed out your news flash is wrong.

The last time I had this conversation was with my sister and she did the "I can call you that but you can't call me that routine".

But hey, at least I didn't end my post with "Get a grip".

You are so far off you are on another planet! - He is VERY moderate.

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There are things I don't agree with him about because I don't think he goes far enough. Not to be insulting, that is not my intention, but as someone who has been a dem all of my 50+ years, I am telling you, this man is moderate.

Please, come back to earth here with the rest of us - where have you been

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Here at earth we do our research. We look at independent sites. You are making him into something you want him to be, but it just is not so.

Do you research.

I have and I know that President Obama is - moderate. Do not insult

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me. Like I said, I have been a dem all of my life. I also read independent sites, probably more than you do. I think the issue here is that the dems today are what the republicans used to be, and the republicans are so far right that they are often not even reasonable people anymore.

Either way, I am entitled to my opinion, and anyway, you are dead wrong.
Going to work now.

You hit the nail righton the head, especially about dems are pubs - and pubs are off the map.

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Excellent, excellent, excellent.

The original post is right on. Republicans, conservatives and extreme right wing fringe are not nearly as qualified to define what it is to be a moderate, centrist or left wing democrat than moderate, centrist and left wing democrats are. This is just simple basic common sense, is it not?

There was no insult? If anyone insulted it was you - Stay calm

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I just repeated back the same thing you said. First, saying Obama is not a moderate is not an insult.

I replied to a poster with "come back to earth" because they said "you are so far off you are on another planet". Now you are tell me I'm insulting you????

I am an independent/libertarian. I've been both a registered democrat and registered republican. I voted for Carter, Clinton (twice), Bush (once), and Obama. I have conservative viewpoints regarding military and national security, and very liberal viewpoints regarding church, gay marriage, and other social issues.

Your little insult by saying the republicans are not even reasonable people anymore is exactly a reflection of your own party. The proof is in your posts. You can't even have a reasonable conversation with them and when you do repeat the same thing they blame you and say you are insulting them.

And now you seem to know how many websites I read. I read news and articles from about 15 or so different sites, and then of course throughout the day DH comes to me with someone new I haven't heard of but I read. I read liberal sites, conservative sites, independent sites, articles written by economists, scientists, retired politicians, health care providers, and other people. My DH tells me that whether or not you like a certain political group you should still read what they have to say and keep an opinion mind because you may just learn something and it might provoke something that gets you to say "wait a minute, maybe they ARE right". So maybe you do read more sites than I do. I don't know and I would never presume to tell you I read more than you do.

Yes, you are entitled to your opinion, and so are other people here too. If you think I'm wrong that's perfectly fine, after all it is your opinion. I happen to think you are wrong.

All I know is I voted for Obama (anything to keep Hillary from getting the position). Sure I fell under his spell with his smooth talk during his campaign. But then I woke up. I did my research. I started learning who he is, who his grandparents, mother and real father were, where he spent his childhood, who the people are that were advising him, who he looked up to, whose ideologies he follows, who his spiritual advisor is, who got him his start in politics, who the money people are that back him and their backgrounds, and what his plans were for the country. I researched, I read, and I kept an open mind. Surely not this smooth talking, intelligent, suave, and sophisticated man couldn't be anything that I was reading, but when the facts are there no matter how much you like him, there it is in front of your face you can't just ignore them no matter how much you don't want it to be true. I learned about Ayers and Alinsky, and others, and who he idealized with. Then I started learning about his Czars.

As much as you want Obama to be a moderate he just is not. You can believe anything you want to, that is everyone's prerogative, but the facts are out there. He is so far to the left the scale doesn't even go that far. He certainly is not a moderate democrat. A moderate democrat puts the country first before his or her party. He does not. They don't swing to either the far left or far right, and he swings to the far left. He has not done anything since being in office that would bring him to the middle. Even some of the democrats know he is way far left, and he even told some of the moderate democrats to "go on a kamikaze mission". All he cares about is the democratic party, not people. This is not a moderate democrat. He does nothing for middle America. Everything is for the hard lefties.

Now...if you are a hard lefty, a progressive, or staunch democrat that's fine. Nothing wrong with holding on to your values, but don't package someone as something he is not. He is a far left democrat. Most people knew that and they still voted for him. But he has not changed his position. When he campaigned he was not so far left because he wanted the votes. Now that he is in that slight hope that we all had for someone to be middle of the line is gone, and we see the direction he is trying to take the country in.

Before you go and accuse someone of insulting someone (which there was nothing in my post that was insulting) maybe you should read your own insulting posts.

For someone who claims to be an independent, - you certainly do seem to be

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very defensive of the mere suggestion that dems have shifted to the right and pubs have shifted off the map (which they have). Talking down to people by asking them where they have been and instructing them to go research comes off as insulting to folks who are old enough to have grandchildren. I certainly agree with her and found your post to be condescending.

I also do not find this current post to be particularly credible, since the bulk of it recounts plenty of info found on conservative whup-up hysteria websites. You seem to have fallen right in line with buying into Ayers, Alinsky, Czar rhetoric and using wingnut buzz words. I find it doubtful that you know any socialists or for that matter, know anything about socialism. If you did, you certainly would not be placing President Milqtoast into that category. You are the one who needs to do the research and get back to us when you know a little more about what you are trying to talk about.

This is exactly what is meant by not being reasonable people anymore - Stay calm

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Just out for the attack and name calling.

First, you don't know anything about me or what I read. So I don't need to "claim" (buzz buzz) anything to you. Not even going to justify your condescending comment.

Second I don't really care whether or not you find my post credible. There are others that do agree with me as I have read many messages here (of course always followed by an attack by the liberals).

You are falling exactly in the line with "we can say it to you but you can't say it to us" routine".

Condescending? That is what the poster I replied to was. Telling me that she reads more independent sites than I do when she does not even know what I read.

Actually I don't really care what you think and I didn't even finish after the first paragraph because your post was condescending.

Hint: If you don't want to be talked down to then don't talk down to people to begin with.

End. Goodbye

By even bothering to post this disclaimer, you have undercut - your own credibility, demonstrating

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the inability to move on until you get the last dig in there. No problem. Feel free to satisfy that urge if you must, but don't fool yourself thinking you have made any valid points in the process.

Says who? You? - ROFL :-) :-) :-)

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Nice try....NOT

You are the "wrong" one. Obama is a radical. - GetReal

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You need to open your eyes and see how the country is spiraling downhill. This is a very frightening time.

He is NOT a moderate. OMG! See the light, will ya?!nm - What?

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nm

What is your definition of a - moderate?

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Please give a good, clear, concise, consistent definition, and give an example of someone who sticks to every moderate principle all the time please.

Oh yes...the HCR process... - nnn

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Isn't that the "process" that requires all citizens to do as the goverment demands concerning their own bodies and health under threat of penalty? Sounds pretty far left/unipartisanship to me. We have a grip. It sounds like you have already lost it. ;)

In a word, NO. The process I refer to is the one that included - 161 pub amendments in the signed bill.

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It is the process the eliminated what 67% of the nation STILL supports, that being the public option, in an effort to make concessions to the party who still could not bring themselves to case a single vote for the 161 amendments they successfully incorporated in the legislation.

Your whining about this watered down version of an attempt to give more people access to health care while at the same time producing huge windfalls for the insurance companies is not worthy of further comment.

This is most definitely not a socialist bill. Ask any socialist. Take a look at other (more inclusive, more affordable, more accessible, more effective) socialist health care systems that have stood the test of time and keep in mind that our status quo that you so vociferously defend has landed us at number 39 in terms of life expectancy, costs, health care dlivery and accessibility to health care.

Hard data does not lie and favors no specific political party one way or the other. It simply sits there and tells the truth.

Wrong if you are talking about HR4872, the one that is law - Backwards Typist

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There were 165 amendments submitted.

Motion to Table; i.e., 28.
Ruled out of order: 14
Not voted on: 123

Pleast post a link to your source. - nm

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nm

READ THE BILL: But if you don't have time, that's too bad. - Backwards Typist

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This is where some people believe in what they hear. Most of the time, I do not. I check things out.

If you would read the bill HR4872 at Thomas Law Library, you will see a section of AMENDMENTS. Click on that and you will see all the amendments. I do warn you that it will take time to run through all those amendments, so I hope you have quite a few hours to spend on it.

Now, if you don't want to read the bill, I can make it more convenient for you, but I really, really would like you to do your own research.

I get tired of posting links that no one checks because they do not believe some of the truth out there.

It is apparent that some posters on this board are so blind, they cannot see. I hope you are not in that category, but you seem to ignore some facts and only believe what you hear.

I'm not being sarcastic here, but I'm fed up with some of the ridiculous arguments with no proven FACTS/SOURCES. Calling people on this forume cons/radicals does not do any good unless the facts are there to back it up and, so far, I've seen more one-sided arguments that do not back it up with RELIABLE news sources (if there is any such thing anymore).

'Nuff said.

Sorry but I have to disagree with you. I consider myself a moderate democrat (sm) - Sissy

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and he is definitely far more left than I would ever consider myself.

I appreciate your input which carries much more credibility - than the wingnuts....

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I would be curious to hear your definition of what a moderate democrat is and how they differ from, say, moderate republicans, average/centrist democrats and left wing folks. I also would like to hear how you think Obama is more to the left than you on specific issues.

Oh, puleez! You only "appreciate" the input - because they agree with

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you.

Ahem. Of note, the post I responded to clearly stated that - she DISAGREED with me,

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smack dab in the middle of the subject line. Please read the posts before barging right in and making a complete fool of yourself.

Interesting article... - nnn

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I didn't know about a few of those companies but I will never buy another Ford since they help fund homosexual groups and I'll never bank with Bank of America since they refused to donate to the Boy Scouts citing their allegiance to homosexual groups. Many of us already realize what's happening in this country but Obama has his adoring fans and I don't think they'll ever come out of their stupor. ;)

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The Romney camp has attempted to steer focus away from his term as governor, and is now chafing under the yoke of his business credentials of late. Maybe they would be more comfortable with national scrutiny of his involvement in the 2002 Winter Olympics since candidate often points to that experience as a fundamental resume qualification for running the country “like a business.” After overcoming initial Mormon and non-Mormon local opposition based on perceptions of cronyism ...

Nov 15, 2012
Subcommittee Investigation Reveals Decisions by Corzine Led to MF Global Bankruptcy and Missing Customer Funds Full report of Financial Services Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee to be released Thursday Washington, Nov 14 - Decisions by Jon Corzine to chart a radically different course for MF Global and try to turn the 230-year-old commodities broker into a full-service investment bank were the cause of the firm&r ...

Oct 06, 2012
Summary paragraphs from article in Kansas City Star: " Norman Ornstein, a distinguished political observer and resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute (hardly a liberal bastion) and his colleague Thomas Mann of the Brookings Institution have been studying Washington politics and Congress for more than four decades. They say they’ve never seen Washington as dysfunctional as it is now. And they blame Republicans. “We have no choice but to acknowledge that the core ...

Sep 30, 2016
http://toprightnews.com/report-obama-spent-770-million-in-taxpayer-funds-to-rebuild-and-renovate-mosques-overseas/ The State Department is spending US taxpayer money that we don't have. ...