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What I'm telling my voters

Posted: May 25, 2011

be on the lookout for republican trickery. what with the stunts by the new govs in WI and OH immediately going after unions and the fallout from the disasterous NY loss over the Ryan plan, its pretty obvious the repub candidates are NOT going to say what they REALLY plan to do if elected. Do not be lulled into complacency by their low-wattage personalities. Sharks. sharks I tell you. If their mouths are moving, you know its a lie.

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"Your voters"? - huh?

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Who are "your voters". Are you running for office?

Hmmmm. Thinking the same thing - about Dem outright lies

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let alone "trickery." Please do tell me...what is the Dem answer for saving Medicare? Raising taxes on the rich and ending corporate welfare will not even come close to doing that. So what is their answer? And why didn't they do something about it while they had control of both houses? Simple answer...they are not interested in fixing anything. They seem determined to captain the sinking ship right to the bottom. Why is that? Seriously.

it would be wise to - listen to both parties

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with a critical ear. However, my feeling is that the democrats are actually working for the middle class. I feel the republicans are working for corporations.

If you believe that you are not listening. If - Indy

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are not in the pockets of corporations you believe that the Democrats are not as much corporate-friendly as the Republicans are, you have not done any independent research. Bottom line, the facts are: the Democrats have had control of the Ways and Means Committee for 8 of the last 10 years, and also have enjoyed control of both houses of Congress during some of those years. Now if they were seriously interested in stopping corporate welfare and putting the middle class ahead of corporations, they would have closed tax loopholes and tightened up tax laws. Did they...no. Did they even try...no. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that is NOT what they want to do nor intend to do. Yet all they have to do is tell people they are for the middle class and Republicans are the ones who are for corporations. And why do the Democrats do that? Because they know you are just going to believe them, you are not going to check it out at all. And why do they say one thing and do another? To get your vote because you believe them, and to continue taking just as many donations and sometimes more from corporations as the Republicans do.

Second fact: Corporations are the backbone of the economy of this country and said corporations are the largest employers in this country. That is a fact no matter how you cut it. So obviously both parties are going to cater to them. And frankly if Democrats had not taxed them into oblivion we would not have nearly the amount of offshoring of jobs and corporations moving home offices overseas as we have now. You do realize that we have the second highest corporate tax rate in the entire world, right?

What I really wish is that Democrats would adopt the cut spending avenue to reducing the debt instead of their ever-present answer to everything...raise taxes. Well, if you look at the numbers, raising taxes on the rich and stopping corporate welfare cannot fix our problems. It has been let go too long by BOTH parties to fix it that way now.

At least the Republicans are owning up to that and realize that cutting spending has to go along with it. When the Democrats face that issue head on and became part of the solution instead of part of the problem, I will start listening to them again.

I love my country too much to listen to them now.

I love my country too - we are not enemies

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We just see things very differently. corporations exist solely to make money. We need government to ensure they do not use their power to harm individuals. Can we agree on that? Greed has been a human flaw since day 1. Of course both sides accept corporate contributions. However the democrats are for strict regulation and republicans think the market will regulate them. I happen to side with the dems on this. I do not believe that taxation is causing jobs to go overseas. Workers willing to work for 15 cents an hour is a much more salient factor. To me, this is corporations taking advantage of people to increase their profit. what do you think about that?

Glad to know we are not - enemies....

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First, corporations do not exist solely to make money. They exist to provide goods and services that we as Americans use every day. Absent corporations, how are you going to get those goods and services? Who is going to make them, provide them? Back in the day when there was only one settlement individuals provided those goods and services. Our country, the size it is, that no longer works. Enter corporations. We must have them. With all due respect, you act like they do not do anything to earn that money. They do. And it IS trickle down. They provide jobs, and they also provide jobs through their suppliers who provide the materials to make their products, through the shipping companies who ship their products, and those companies have employees; and on down the line. That is what I meant about corporations being the backbone of this country. They are...they provide goods, they provide communications...just think about it.

Second, I do not see corporations using their "power" to harm individuals, so no, I cannot agree to that. Democrats are strict on regulating some things, not all. And I agree with the Republicans that in a large part the market does regulate corporations. You only do well if you are providing goods and services that consumers want. You know that is true. For instance, people complain about Wal-Mart and how they treat their employees....if enough people felt that way and stopped shopping there, the market would force Wal-Mart to adapt to survive. That is a simple economical fact. They say Wal-Mart broke the mom and pop shops. What broke the mom and pop shops is people stopping going there to go to Wal-Mart. Same thing happened with local "dairy dips" when chain fast food stores came in. ALL of it is market-driven. I do not think that the government needs to get into private business waist deep. Ankle deep is all that is needed.

With all due respect, workers have worked for less overseas since time immemorial. It has ALWAYS been that way. Offshoring really kicked in when our corporate tax rate became second highest in the world. Plus, add the government regulation you are talking about...and, sorry to say, unionization. When you add sky high taxes, unionization that demand higher wages and bennies that make competition impossible...corporations either close down or go offshore.

That is how I see it. I am a realist. To the people overseas, if they go from 15 cents to 30 cents their quality of life doubled because their local employers were not paying it. Looking at objectively, that is not taking advantage of them. Also, their cost of living is dramatically lower than in this country. So no...I don't think THEY are being taken advantage of.

I just think it is disingenious for the Democrats to make it harder for businesses to operate at a profit and then wonder why they offshore. Google Democrats and offshoring and you will see they are all for it...the "global economy" and all that.

The American free enterprise system was working well and this country prospered for many years...and the more the government got into it, the worse things became. The government cannot even run itself profitably...it needs to stay out of things it is ill-equipped to handle. Had it done so...I sincerely do NOT believe we would be in the situation...the very SERIOUS situation...we are today.

short response - how I see it

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Corporations exist to make a profit. they do this BY providing goods and services. I do not say there should not be corporations, just that they need to be watched. They do provide jobs. they also do devious things to maximize their profit - i.e. knowingly marketing cars with defective parts, etc. I think more jobs are outsourced because of advances in technology not the tax rate. before the web, it was not possible for India to do our transcription. As for the unions, I think the workers deserve to have good wages and benefits. there is no defense in my mind for the head honchos making $13 million a year and the workers having their pay cut. That is just a moral opinion of mine.

As you can see, you and I look at things very differently. Its up to us to respect each other enough to disagree strongly. that's the only way we can progress.

Okay....we will agree to disagree. - Your post still sounds

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Any business exists to make a profit. If you had a business, would it not exist to make a profit? The profit is the owners' living. Could Bill Gates lower his prices and make less money? Sure he could. But why should he? And, I'm sorry, why do you think he should? It was his idea, and only in this country can you become a billionaire because you had a good idea that people liked and bought. That is a great part of America. I don't want to see that changed. Bill Gates has a foundation that gives millions each year. It is not like he does not give back. He just chooses to do it to whom he wants to give it and frankly the government should not extract it from him and give to people THEY deem fit. Yes, I am sure he probably offshores a lot of his support. A lot of companies do. Perhaps if the tax environment was better stateside, he wouldn't choose to do that. Or Dell. Or most of the computer manufacturers.

Before the web, MTs took advantage of lack of income tax in other countries too...as did oil field workers and many other people, on their own they offshored themselves, to make more money and get away from the tax burden of the US. I know several that went to Saudi for a year and cleaned up. Maybe that is what the rest of us should have done. Absolutely no income tax, pay was good for a year contract, and it cost little or nothing to live there...some of the hospitals even provided living quarters for them. So...offshoring did not start with the web and it did not start with corporations. People have always looked for a way to get out from under the tremendous tax burden we have in this country....just like some Brits have moved here to get out from under THEIR tax structure. It is human nature, from the individual to the corporation. There is absolutely no need in having such a punitive tax structure, personal OR corporate. It defeats the purpose...in trying to raise revenues through taxation, the coffers got smaller as the businesses went away.

Just a tidbit for you....if you really think Democrats want to curb this kind of thing, why would Obama get buddy-buddy with GE CEO who is the poster child for everything you describe....he made millions himself last year, GE will pay next to nothing (if they pay anything) in taxes, and you know how he made those millions? Offshoring half of GE's workforce. And he is now advisor to a Democratic President. That is why I look at what they say and then look at what they do. All politicians are snake oil salesmen or they are not successful. As the old saying goes, if you go to bed with a dog you get fleas. Democrats have just as many fleas as Republicans. The difference in you and me is I know this and certainly don't mind saying so.

I would have to know specifically what businesses you are talking about regarding the head honcho story...but keep in mind, if it is a corporation, stockholders vote on CEO compensation and CEOs are paid to turn profts so that the stockholders make nice dividends. And not all stockholders are "rich" either. So, actually, if you perceive that as unfair you need to be talking to the stockholders, not the CEO for doing the job he was hired to do and producing the results he was hired to produce. If you were the CEO you might see this in a totally different light.

Thanks again for the conversation.

interesting and well stated - final comments

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Your view is well thought out and logical. But i still disagree with you. Comments that popped into mind while reading. Unfortunately for every Bill Gates there are 10 bernie madoffs and paris hiltons. (2) I remember those days when MTs went overseas. The idea was horrible to me (homebody) but quite an experience for others (adventurers). In the end though, the US MTs were used up and tossed away. (3) the GE honcho and President Obama. The GE guy obviously has some smarts, so President is wise to tap into that. I agree the GE tax situation is outrageous. However, do you only associate with people who act exactly the way you think they should? I dont - I'd be mighty lonely.

Final thoughts and - comments...

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Why do we want to punish the Bill Gates of the world because of the Paris Hiltons and the Bernie Madoffs of the world? Throw the baby out with the bathwater? Sorry, cannot be on board for that one. I cannot see creating a business environment that punishes the good right along with the bad. Makes absolutely NO sense to me.

As to the GE guy...seriously. If your party is supposed to be the poster child against corporate greed, you do not put them in your administration as advisors. Though I do not know why I am surprised, one of his campaign promises was he would have no lobbyists in his administration and well...he has several. And look at the Treasury secretary. Still...it proves without a shadow of a doubt that this President...and his party...only want the appearance of being against corporate greed. They are just as invested in the campaign funds as the Republicans.

I have heard the excuse that getting information from the poster child for corporate greed is a smart thing to do. I guess that means we should put serial killers on police forces and terrorists at Homeland Security. Of course we shouldn't. There is no logical reason for, if Obama is truly against corporate greed, that he would reward such behavior with an administration advisory position. Next we will have a member of the PLO advising him on relations with Israel? I know you are far too intelligent a person to actually believe that it was a wise decision on the part of the President.

Do I think it was wise for Obama to tap the GE CEO? Only for his campaign coffers, which is, I am sure, the reason he chose to do so. And so the Dems would not point at GE during the election as one of the greedy corporations, so it is a win-win. GE gets out of the bull's eye and the campaign gets big bucks.

Ahem.

Do I associate with people who act only the way I think they should? Of course not. However, if I was in a position of authority and my public face said I was against something, I would not put the poster child for that thing in a public position as my advisor, IF I really was against it. I guess the President's hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Don't get me wrong...I really think you would like to believe what you have said here is true...I also think you are far too intelligent to believe it, in your heart of hearts. But, people do different things for a lot of different reasons and look away when it gets too uncomfortable.

Thanks for the conversation!

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