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Watching the "debating" here and reading the newspaper stories on gun deaths, etc.

Posted: Jan 21, 2013

Those in the country that are for gun control seem to lump all gun deaths into the final total. I just read today where the editor of the paper pointed out that there are 30,000 gun deaths a year...but (s)he doesn't break it down to non-criminal or criminal.

Most of those deaths were caused by drug deals gone bad, drug deals, gang turf wars, etc. All people are thinking about are the 1% not caused by criminal actions, but the recent tragedy in CT has zeroed in on lumping LEGAL gun owners as criminals.

Dislike this post all you want but legal gun owners will pay the price of gun control. Criminals will still have guns. Have you ever heard of a criminal registering their guns? During buyouts by law enforcement officials, the only guns a criminal will turn in are those that are nonworking or too "hot" to handle since most buyouts are "no questions asked" type of deals. Have you ever looked closely to the guns turned in during one of those buyouts? Broken, dirty, rusty, and even "wall hangers."

What's really sickening is that once a gun is registered, if that gun is reported stolen by the owner, that owner would still be responsible for the crimes that are committed with that gun with the way most of the bills are being written that they're trying to push through Congress.

Now that the media is jumping on the bandwagon, ALL gun accidents are making "front page news" - the example of the 3 gun show accidents - people are really getting hysterical even if accidents at gun shows happened all the time before CT. This is just another example of not letting a crisis go to waste.

There is NO mention of mental health issues by "gun control advocates." It was mentioned in Obama's EO's but quickly buried by the media after a day or two.

I'm off my soapbox for now.

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Can you please explain this? - RC

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"What's really sickening is that once a gun is registered, if that gun is reported stolen by the owner, that owner would still be responsible for the crimes that are committed with that gun with the way most of the bills are being written that they're trying to push through Congress."

What specifically do you mean? We don't take the owner of a stolen gun and sentence them without the defense of a lawyer and trial by a jury.

I see no problem with treating guns the way we treat cars. Licensing, registration and regulation.

As a side note, we can't drive cars under the influence--is there such a law for operating guns? I don't even know.

30,000 gun deaths a year (?) - sm

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where did you get this figure? It exceeds FBI data by nearly 300%. What editor of what paper are you referring to? The FBI does, indeed, keep separate data on justifiable homicides vs murder.

Where did you come up with the data for "most deaths" caused by drug deals, etc?

What do you mean when you say: "All people are thinking about are the 1% not caused by criminal actions". I don't agree with that at all.

In spite of asking for an explanation of what it means to lump legal gun owners as criminals, I have yet to get a response from any of the people who spout this notion.

Sorry, but nothing you have said seems to be based in fact. I am happy to meet facts with reason and rationality. Just saying anything based on bias or opinion doesn't meet the criteria for me.

Most murders are in a few large cities. We have a - gang problem, not a gun problem. - n/t

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Gang-related homicides average 12% of all homicides. - RC

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"The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2006 to 2010. During the same time period, the FBI estimated, on average, more than 16,000 homicides across the United States.

These estimates suggest that gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 12 percent of all homicides annually."

true. - Data: 1 - Unwarranted Bias: 0

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