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Posted: Jan 6, 2010

 QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT

       AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College.  Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate, and the transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program.

 To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. 

This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born  in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship.

This is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as President. Article titled, "Obama Eligibility Questioned," leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K.

In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey. This lawsuit  claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president.

 Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president.

Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent  upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his  personal records. Mr. Kreep  indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.

 LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON'T !

 

 Subject: RE: Issue of Passport?

 While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama  answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ?

 So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?

 And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta,  and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?

The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's  citizenship a rather short and  simple one.

 Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?

  A : Yes, by his own admission.

  Q: What passport did he travel under?

  A: There are only three possibilities.

    1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,

     2) He traveled with a British passport, or

    3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

   Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?

     A: No.. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State  Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

 Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

  If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American,  prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008..

 Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

 If you don't care that your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then ignore this and go into your cocoon.

If you do care, then watch and wait because the truth will ultimately be revealed.

 

 

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Birther blather is of no interest to Democrats. - nm

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nm

But what if it is true? Then what? - Still blather? nm

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Have you ever heard the expression - sm

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"There is no THERE there?" Birthers can only sucker other birthers into this dead-end dialog. The short and sweet blather statement was posted as a courtesy. Even the nanosecond it takes to execute a mouse click is WAY more time than this nonsense deserves.
Yes, this is not even worth the post - Colleen
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Enough already. It has gotten beyond silly.

I know...they'd rather keep their heads in the sand. - anon - no message.

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nm

obama citizenship - mnmt

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The story is a hoax.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp

Yes, and here's another source that agrees with you. - Nikki

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Apparently, this email hoax has been circulating since April of 2009.


http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizenship_questioned.htm

Birthers are psychotic - DownWithLiars

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I work in a psychiatric hospital. These birthers are just as deluded as the patients I encounter daily--paranoid, irrational, unable to accept reality. This contrived article is a big fat lie and proves my point.

As are the crats who won't listen to all sides of the story - anon

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Now those are the real psychotics.

Since you clearly do not know the definition of the word - allow me to assist.

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psychosis
Serious mental derangement characterized by defective or lost contact with reality. The primary psychoses are schizophrenia and the delusional disorders (e.g., megalomania), but extreme cases of depression and bipolar disorder, substance-induced delirium, and certain varieties of dementia are also understood to share important features with the psychoses. The major symptoms, aside from delusions and hallucinations, are disorganized speech and behaviour and, often, mood disturbances. Treatment usually consists of medication and counseling in an institutional setting. Compare neurosis.

For more information on psychosis, visit Britannica.com. Britannica Concise Encyclopedia. Copyright © 1994-2008 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc.

psychosis
any form of severe mental disorder in which the individual's contact with reality becomes highly distorted
Collins Discovery Encyclopedia, 1st edition © HarperCollins Publishers 2005

This does not describe the actions of those on this board who recognize this as a ridiculous claim made by people who have made it their goal in life to find things wrong with President Obama, even if they have to invent them. It does however describe perfectly people who see the proof (he has provided it, and he and McCain even agreed on each others citizenship since there was a question about McCain at the time-do you really think if it were true that McCain would not have brought it out during or before the campaign?)and just keep going after it, and who continue to try to convince the more rational people to go along with their delusions. I really think some of you do not believe this. It is just another way to pick a fight. Give it up, already. The "Birther" thing is getting silly and pathetic. Really, at least invent something new because this one has really been done to death. Thank you.
My goal certainly is not to "find things wrong" with - O, there is plenty to find!.nm
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Pssst.....I know the definitions/differences - anon - you are not
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the only one who has worked around the mental health industry. I have worked in this field for many years.

I didn't even read what you wrote as your subject line stated it all. Unfortunately for you, there are others out here who know the differences.

And yes, the crats are still psychotic.
Of course you didn't. More concerned with being right than - with being correct. BTW,
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as an MA I worked with several psych providers. You keep pushing a dead topic that for most of us "sane" people, dems and even most republicans, is a nontopic and too silly to even pursue. And this is a waste of time. I have work to do. Go find someone else to try to get a rise out of. I have more important things to do. Bye.
Well since I've worked in the field and since you brought - anon
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the subject up calling birthers psychotic, you should at least try to back up your statements with facts.

You claim that you work in a psychiatric hospital and hence you compare people who want to find out about Obama's place of birth, who are unhappy with the fact that nobody has proved where he was born, with the people in the psychiatric hospital (that you supposely work at). So do you have any facts, or is that your opinion.

I work in the mental health field and I don't equate psychiatric patients with people who are trying to find out about Obama's birth place. The two are different subject matters. There are psychotic people on both side in the political field. People who have to poke fun of the people who want to get to the truth are the ones who are psychotic.

You want to keep pushing your agenda that anyone who is not a democrat is psychotic. It appears you do not know the meanings, and I highly doubt you work in the mental health industry.

I myself have more important things to do than try to explain the difference to you or explain that you are talking about apples and oranges. Bye.
Say what??? Can't you read??? - Colleen
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"You want to keep pushing your agenda that anyone who is not a democrat is psychotic."
I specifically said that many republicans as well understand this to be a dead issue. You are very determined to create an issue that isn't there. For the record, I don't care what you believe. I believe that anyone who is pursuing this whole "birther" thing is beating a dead horse to death and should find something better to do because even McCain believes he is a citizen. Enough already! I am done with you.
Yeah, whatever. People who ask question are called - crazy by the left all the time
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The big bad O could have cleared this up by simply not hiding information, especially his school records. This administration loves to talk about transparency. What a joke. O is always making speeches, but if you really listen, he is always "prepared" and seems secretive. I could not care less about where he was born, but I do care that he is NOT being transparent when he campaigned on it over and over again.
Could you help us to understand - sm
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how it is you arrived at that conclusion? Do you realize that you are defending the content of a post that was written as an April Fool's joke? Since you put yourself out here as someone who is so knowledgeable of the mental health "industry" (huh?), please use logic instead of juvenile name-calling when applying the characteristics of psychosis set forth in the definition to the democrats and try your best to keep the response within the context of this birther thread? Inquiring minds want to know.
Simply put..... - anon
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The poster is the one who started in with calling people who want to find out the truth psychotic. He/she is the one who started associated a certain political group with "psychotic" (of course not the group he/she belongs to that is). So...if you want to ask anyone about anything maybe you should ask him/her as he/she started the post by saying that people who want to know the truth about the birth certificate issues (i.e., republicans and independents) as psychotic. Yeah inquiring minds would like to know how he/she came up that that psychotic statement. Oh yes, then claimed she works in the field. Sure she does.....wink, wink.
DownWithLiars was able to illustrate - sm
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her point quite handily in a little 2-line post by relating psychotic features to birther behaviors. She did in a way that was plausible, convincing and easily understood. That's why I did not ask her. I asked you to clarify the logic you employed in concluding that dems are psychotic, but so far all you have done is dodge and deflect. It's a pretty simple and straightforward question. Can you please back up your own statement?
No, she was NOT - See message - anon (heres my backup you requested)
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able to illustrate that "birthers" are psychotic, because they are not (you think that by saying the words paranoid, irrational, unable to accept reality is being able to illustrate? Sorry, but those words describe the people in congress. Trying to equate a group of people who are trying to find out the truth about where Obama was born (and I could give a crap anymore because he's in and nothing will change that and there are more important issues to think about now), but equating a group of people who want to know the truth with people in a psychiatric hospital does not prove anything. Maybe you thought her post was cute because you don't agree with the "birthers", and are so deluded you don't want to know the truth. But to equate a group of people who want to know the truth about where Obama was born with people who are psychotic. Saying they are paranoid, irrational, and unable to accept reality. Uh hello...that describes the democrats (and others, but mostly the democrats) who are in congress right now. They will not listen to the people of the country, they are paranoid that those nasty rich conservative/independent people and TV show hosts are out to get them. They are irrational with their programs they are trying to pass, while we are saying NO. And they are unable to accept reality which is that the people are sick and tired of them being irresponsible. They are unable to accept reality that more than half the country is telling them if they continue to pass crap plans and bankrupting the country, and continue to send jobs overseas, keep foreclosing on homes, and keep the Bush policies in place (all the same time they were protesting them when Bush was in office) and if they keep doing what they are doing they will be voted out because they are not helping the country to build back up, they are destroying it while ensuring themselves a lavish lifestyle. They are the ones who cannot face reality, are delusional and paranoid.

On top of that I did not state that all democrats were psychotic. I stated the ones that are psychotic are the ones who won't listen to all sides of the story. And she even proved my statement by posting the definition of psychosis - and I quote:

"psychosis
Serious mental derangement characterized by defective or lost contact with reality. The primary psychoses are schizophrenia and the delusional disorders (e.g., megalomania), but extreme cases of depression and bipolar disorder, substance-induced delirium, and certain varieties of dementia are also understood to share important features with the psychoses. The major symptoms, aside from delusions and hallucinations, are disorganized speech and behaviour and, often, mood disturbances. Treatment usually consists of medication and counseling in an institutional setting. Compare neurosis."

That there is the backup. That paragraph explained the democrats who are in congress and the democrats throughout the country who do not want to know the truth. All they care about is a political party being in power no matter how much it destroys our country.

I'm done with trying to explain something so simple even my own special needs nephew understands it. Goodbye.
I appreciate your response. - sm
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Rambling and loosenes of associations aside, you have justified your opinion. My only further comment would be to draw your attention to the post directly below this one (Pssst...As one who works in the mental health industry). That one pretty much sums up the birther pathos in a nutshell, pardon the pun. We do agree on one thing though. We have just about exhausted the viability of this exchange. Goodbye back at you.
Pssst...As one who works in the mental health industry - Youmust have heard (sm)
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The old adage, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results, (wink, wink):

Berg vs Obama: So far, various actions (6 to be precise) brought by Berg have been denied by District Judge Surrick October 24, 2008, the Supreme court December 10, 2008, Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy December 17, 2008, Justice Antonin Scalia January 12, 2009, Supreme Court January 21, 2009, and United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit November 12, 2009.

Martin vs Lingle: US Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit November 19, 2008.

Donofrio vs Wells: US Supreme court December 8, 2008.

Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz: Connecticut Supreme court October 31, 2008, US Supreme Court December 15, 2008.

Keyes vs Bowen: California Superior Court Judge Michael P. Kenny March 13, 2009.

Hollister vs Soetoro: United States District Court for the District of Columbia Judge James Robertson Marc 5, 2009.

Cook vs Obama: United States District Court for the Middle District of Georgia July 16, 2009.

Barnett vs Obama: Federal court judge July 13, 2008, United States District Court for the Central District of California Judge David O. Carter October 29, 2009.

Ankeny v. Gov. State of Indiana: Dismissed March 16, 2009, upheld Indiana Court of Appeals Novembe 12, 2009.

Citizen Grand Jury (my favorite to illustrate the psychotic nature of these actions): In June 2009, a group of 172 campaigners DELARED THEMSELVES to be a Super American Grand Jury and voted to charge Obama with treason and accused him of not being a US citizen. Chief Judge Royce C. Lamberth of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia dismissed the "indictment" on July 2, 2009, essentially laughed them out of court.
Good post - thanks - anon
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Goes to show you every case is different, and how corrupt the system is when some courts won't even look at the information presented to them. Guess $$$$ really talks.

Where he was born, who knows. It's hard to try to get a corrupt system to listen to a case. He could have been born in Hawaii, but nobody will know for sure since he never submitted the proper papers. However, when his grandmother describes his birth in detail and that his sister and brother were there too to watch the glorious event, and that if they are trying to claim he was born in Hawaii but even he, himself and his sister give conflicting information just really makes you wonder.

I really don't think people will ever know the truth. The best of the money in this country has hidden the secrets this long. Only 3 more years they have to cover it up.
You are welcome. - sm
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And thanks for illustrating the birther psychosis so clearly. You will never suck any intelligent or rational person into arguing the merits of your delusions so don't bother trying. But you are right about one thing. No matter how many time they are told, some people will never know or accept the truth. BTW, you might want to check out this article while you are at it. Maybe Glenn Beck can help you see the light.
http://voices.kansascity.com/node/7116
Unsure if I will like the article as I do not like GB - anon
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He's wound a bit too tight for me. I also don't like that he has a show that discusses the problems but never has a solution. Waste of my time to watch.

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