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Posted: Jun 1, 2013

I have just deleted an entire thread at the OPs request. It was talking about free speech, which I find it ironic that I deleted a thread about free speech, but since it was her request I deleted it.

One post that was particularly disturbing was someone wrote they were going to report another person to Homeland Security. In hindsight I should have deleted that posters post. Invoking the fear of turning someone into Homeland Security is wrong, especially when a poster wrote nothing that would be deserving of that. I read the post, I know what it said. Either way, I deleted her post at her request.

This is a board for all Americans to discuss issues that are important to us. This board is not just for liberal or conservative viewpoints, it is for everyone's viewpoints. Posters will not always agree on issues, but please be respectful of each other and if you have a problem with someone's post report it to me, don't announce you are going to turn someone into Homeland Security, IRS, or any other agency. I will take the necessary action here. We live in America and freedom of speech is what makes us a great country.

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particularly disturbing - sm

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is when posters declare that they will shoot someone who says Allaha Akhbar. If this is a board for all Americans to discuss issues that are important to us, I hope we can do so with respect for everyone. Lots of people read the thread. We all know what it said. It would not be acceptable in any way if someone were to say they would shoot someone who spoke Hebrew and wore a thing on their head.

The same laws that protect Muslims from faith-based bias in America are the same laws that ensure our freedom to be as ignorant as we wish about Muslims.

Homeland security has no interest in what bigoted Americans say on American message boards. Our free speech is protected here. The 1st amendment deserves a lot of respect and we should treat it accordingly.

Particularly disturbing is how you twisted what she said - For the record - That's not what she said

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She did NOT say she would shoot anyone who said that. She said if someone is coming after her yelling that that (i.e. with the intent to hurt her) she is going to get her gun (i.e. to protect herself).

Maybe you should tell the person who was going to report her to HS that HS has no interest in what Americans say on message boards.

If you are going to correct someone, please be - correct.

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The response was to this question: Are Muslims and Americans 2 separate entities? Are there Muslim Americans?

The answer was: If they're yelling Allaha Akhbar and wearing one of those things on their heads, I do not ask if they are American or Muslim. I get my gun.

There was NOTHING about "coming after her," and nothing about actually shooting.

Just being in the presence of a Muslim was enough for that poster to supposedly get their gun. In my response, I stated that as a human being, I found her post disgusting. And as a responsible gun owner, I found it very irresponsible (and dangerous).

Whether homeland security or any local law enforcement would be want to be informed of a statement like this (which I consider threatening), I have no idea. But if you read the original article that was in this thread (now reposted above), there does seem to be some interest in threatening posts being made via social media, and sorry, claiming you will get your gun when you see someone of a particular race/religion is a threat.

*Moderator: Please note that I would not have brought up a post that was deleted. However, 2 posters above did... incorrectly. This is not a copy and paste. I just remember it clearly because I participated in (and was pretty shocked by) it. Thanks*

You are WRONG. She said if he had a gun - pointed at her. Sorry you participated.

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nm

You are WRONG! - No Message Needed

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wrong!

How about explaining this one then? Relevant. - Another repost about 2 inches up.(sm)

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Explain to me how this is something you support.

response from another poster - sm

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The original post asserts that Muslims receive special treatment beyond that which is granted to Americans at large. Nothing can be further from the truth.

Individual American citizens are free to publish all kinds of things in all kinds of places.

Federal, state, and local officials, however, represent people and municipalities, and it's wise for any jurisdiction to educate its officials regarding actions that could bring liability to the state or local government. This is the subject of the article referenced in the OP.

Can you imagine ANY state or local official making light of leveling a gun at Methodists?

This isn't about curtailing the rights of Americans or offering protections to Muslims that are not available to everyone else.

I do not agree - sm

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and since you brought it up, for the record, the HS poster did not say they were going to report her. I know some posters are clinging to this notion, but it is not the case.

I read that post and it said if he yells it and has - a gun pointed at her, (sm)

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she is not going to ask his religious affiliation. Get it straight.

You forgot the part about if he had a gun - pointed at her, she wouldn't ask what religio

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nm

again? - is everyone attached to this prevarication?

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No - sm

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It's just the predisposition of the RWer to unwittingly say whatever they want and expect everyone will believe them, just as their leaders do. ...but the truth (or the snapshot) usually isn't too far away.

Good job ;-)

sigh of relief. thanks - nm

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It's a totally different post. Can tell by the time. - Incorrect.

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nm

not sure what you mean - nm

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Hahahahahaha - Presdisposition of the LWer to write such garbage

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and "expect everyone will believe them, just as their leaders do. ...but the truth (or the snapshot) usually isn't too far away". Then you better alert YOUR leader Comrade Farouk Obama and his minions. Your posts just get funnier and funnier...maybe you should troll over to the comedy board....Hmmm?

No, I like it here, but thank you for your kind - suggestion. NM

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Moderator, I believe the laudable "wild west" looseness of - this board has drawn extremists

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of various right wing persuasions because they are allowed to express themselves here to a degree not tolerated on other political boards (which, let's face it, are typically pretty rough themselves).

Racist, bigoted, and hatemongering messages have as a result become rampant here to a degree that does not represent the MT community. Or any normal community. This is part of why we typically see 5, 8, 12 even 15 dislikes on them, as opposed to a much smaller number who approve. This is also a significant part of why so many stay well away in disgust.

MTs by our very nature are better readers than average. We read more than average, and all of us, including our conservatives, are at least somewhat better educated and better informed than average. Those who come to the politics board are significantly better informed about current issues than the average person.

Yet so many posts here reveal a total ignorance about current issues, posting only to express spite against others. People of all political persuasions could be discussing issues here in a satisfyingly rude, and even nasty, manner, but instead this board has become submerged under the weight of those who came looking for an outlet for hate speech.

Certainly free speech does include hate speech. But let this community of free speakers respond to posts as it will.

Hatemongering and fearmongering by a few virulent outliers who have managed to find a home here should not be protected at the expense of MTs.

Protecting our very own hatemongering MTs from the disapproval of the majority should not be the moderator's job either. Disapproval doesn't surprise them, as it reflects what they typically get when they express themselves freely in society.

Very importantly, people who cannot defend untrue statements should not be protected by the moderator from those who call them on it. The use of lies is a standard political technique. Quash response to lies and discussion dies.

The simple fact is, accustomed to severe disapproval, some posters have become a little overfull of beans right now, feeling emboldened, heartened, empowered because they believe they have a moderator who will throw her giant weight on their side. They can be, in effect, for once a majority instead of a tiny minority. Heady stuff!

Here we go again - annieb - sm

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"of various right wing persuasions". the same can be said of the left left. Because you don't agree you label it "right wing persuasions".

I don't see any "racist, bigoted, and hate mongering" posts here. I see posters bringing up issues of what is going on and then being called trolls and racists when there is nothing deserving of that kind of talk.

Everyone here knows that posters are posting their opinions. This has nothing to do with the "MT community" Our feelings are not being published in any magazines or at speeches given to our communities. This is a personal gab board where we are supposed to be able to discuss our feelings and such about issues or anything political. It's not supposed to be used for anything. Nice twist on the "representing the MT community" line. And so now conservatives are not "normal"? If some of the liberal posters here you consider "normal" then I take what you said about conservative posters not being normal as a compliment.

Just because you don't agree with someones viewpoint does not make then not normal or hatemongering, and all the other little liberal buzz words you like to use.

Since voters here can vote more than once on topics then the like/dislike button serves no purpose. Also the reason you see so many liberal likes/dislikes is because the liberal posters have bullied and ganged up on many conservative posters that they no longer come here. I keep in touch with many of them who no longer wish to be ganged up and harassed, so just don't come. This board is losing a lot of conservative posters, and while the liberal posters think that's just fine, it's not. It's a shame where people can no longer express their opinions without being bullied, bashed, and stalked.

It is obvious that the liberal posters think this should only be a board for liberal posters, that nobody should ever say anything bad about Obama and the democrats only bash republicans, that issues should not be discussed if it reflects poorly on democrats. Conservative posters are posting links to conservative sites only to be met with a whole barrage of insults about who their sources are not credible, not valid, not this or that, while at the same time posting articles from radical left wing sites. It's the "my site is valid but yours is not because I don't agree with it" attitude. So when we post topics and provide links with accurate information that can be verified, but we are bullied up on and told us our links are not credible, tin foil hat alert, you gotta be kidding me, fair? balance?, etc etc just how long do you think posters are going to want to hang around waiting for the school bully to beat up on them.

Sure, some of us still come here. Some of us try to have civilized conversations, bring up topics that are important to us, give our viewpoints on issues. I guess we're the tough ones who try and keep doing what is right now matter how many times we are bloodied, but I know many people going as far back as 3 and 4 years who just don't come here anymore. That's why there is a takeover by liberals on this board and why you are only getting the liberals likes/dislikes.

When you can't even say that you don't care what anyone is wearing if they are yelling God is great and is coming after you and you will do what you need to protect yourself without it being twisted into something it wasn't, then have the posters saying someone should be turned into homeland security, just why would you think anyone with common sense would put up with that. Posters are invoking fear of reporting people that they don't agree with. I know for one I wouldn't stay.

There are many conservative posters who are so frustrated with the way the country is headed. Frustrated about issues, frustrated about massive taxes and the Obamacare, frustrated that our taxes are going up, that we are being told to work more and spread our wealth, that we should be happy to be taxed more to give to people who don't want to work, frustrated that we are losing our healthcare when they said we wouldn't or that pre-existing conditions are now not covered, or frustrated someone is trying to control what size drinks we can drink in a city, that we have the food police entering our schools, that the lunches we pack for our kids are not being eaten because the food police think they know better than us what our kids should be eating (even though our kids lunches contain a sandwich, an apple, and a juice box). We're frustrated that more surveillance is being put upon us and told that we need to get used to it, emails being read, phone lines tapped, that the wars are continuing, that promises made during the campaign are not being met, that our borders are not safe and that the constitution is being torn apart, that they are trying to take away people's guns, that if someone disagrees with an issue they are called a racists, frustrated that liberals are saying conservative sites are not credible and valid, but the liberal sites are okay, frustrated that people think its okay for IRS to target republicans and audit them, but not democrats, that it was okay to illegally obtain information and use it against the republican candidate, and frustrated that we are not supposed to say anything because then posters here (now on this liberally dominated political board) call us all sorts of names.

Funny, this board used to be a place to come to and share ideas and frustration, but within the last 4 or 5 years it has just become really bad. A place where bashing, ridiculing and making fun of conservatives, while announcing they are "evil" has become a favorite past time. Where let gang up and yell louder at them and hope they go away is what is going on.

Hatemongering and fearmongering is in the eyes of whoever disagrees. When people cut down Bush, posted pics of him as Hitler etc, I never considered that hatemongering, it was just someone expressing their opinion. But now you mention Benghazi, the IRS auditing only conservatives, information that information obtained illegally was used against a component, that voter fraud went on and you are met with a slew of "hatemongering" or "fearmongering". Funny nobody said that when Bush was in. It was okay to criticize him and republicans, just not democrats.

It is not the moderators place to decide which posters are telling the truth and which are not and then remove posts that she doesn't feel are true. It is not her place to change the content of a post because other posters don't like what is written or to research every subject brought up on this board and decide if someone is telling the truth and if she feels they are not then remove their posts. Her job is to keep the arguments down, edit/delete the name calling. She has said many times if you disagree with something explain why. It is not the moderators job to "protect" anyone. If that was the case a lot of liberals posts would have been removed too. It is the responsibility of each poster to do their own research and make up their own minds whether or not they believe something. And just because someone may not want to believe something doesn't mean it's not true. A lot of post that conservative posters have posted with links have in fact been true. It's the liberal posters who don't want to believe it so proclaim it not to be true. Demand to know where a poster researched their information. And why? To be immediately told "not valid" "right wing" "not credible" (and Fox News is a big one on that). MSNBC is okay, Fox is not. Huff is okay, WND is not. Liberal media giving their opinion is okay, conservative media giving their opinion is not. It is also not the posters responsibility to provide a link to everything we think about or have read unless we feel like posting a link.

As the moderator has said many times. Posters are free to post their opinions and articles, talk about issues or whatever is important to them. The board used to be a place for posters to post their opinions and feelings about issues. Now it's just a place for hypocratic name calling. If someone is frustrated about an issue and wants to vent they should be allowed to, just like we hear all the venting (and yes hateful remarks) towards conservatives. People should just respect the other persons right to voice their opinion, even if we don't agree.

Don't worry. It's just the radical left wing extremists again. - Crazy bunch.

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No, the same can't be said of the left. Note, there are also - ALMOST NO MAINSTREAM CONSERVATIVES here. sm

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Why not? In the world at large they far outnumber the very vociferous far right reps gathered on this forum. Why do they stay away? In the past, I've tried asking them for their input, but echo answereth not.

There must be various factors, but the only part answer I have been able to come up with comes from psychologists' finding that conservatives are more easily and strongly disgusted than people less conservative. Whether it's a nauseating smell, an unkempt yard, or bad manners, conservatives are repelled more strongly, while liberals, whether it's a pool of vomit on the floor or offensive people, as almost all else, are more accepting and tolerant.

Whatever the reason, only about 9% (NINE PERCENT) of the electorate now identify themselves as tea partiers. Others at first drawn to the Tea Party were then repelled by the rhetoric and positions so that now teapartiers are almost exclusively:

Very strongly conservative.
Very likely to be strongly bigoted.
Typically see themselves as religious and guided by religion.
Authoritarian followers in personality type, who once they've accepted a leader stop questioning the morality of their actions in following that leader.

As for the GOP, only approximately 1/3 of the electorate still identify themselves as Republicans, and only some of them are far right but too far right anyway for those who fled to regain the conservative position they've held for most of their lives.

9% represented here by one measure, guys. WAY less than 30% by a much more open one. WHERE are all the mainstream conservatives? Not speaking up here. Instead, we have an over-representation of extreme right voices.

Please stop shouting. That's probably the problem. - Ever think of that?

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nm

Hahahahahaha - Post is a joke as are the libs

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Libs HAVE NO tolerance for any different POV - the board libs here want complete total lockstep with every Democratic/socialist view point no matter how stupid or nonsensical. Seems like libs pull their talking points out of the same tin foil hat. Libs have absolutely no ability to employ critical thinking, ESPECIALLY on this board. Would actually require libs to research the truth and WE ALL know how nothing sends them into a board meltdown like the truth.

what do you mean by - ptiypasi

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Libs aer pull OLtoerlance for a?

and what is a nborad meltdown?

Stupid post - troll just attacking a poster - It's a Lib thaing

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nm

sm - sm

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Huh? - sm

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I have no idea what you are talking about. I can't say why because I'll be accused of being spelling police, so please explain what you are asking or stating.

What do you mean - Please explain

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please.

So since you are not explaining what that mean - annieb

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and the post remains intact, you are trying to bait someone to say you made a spelling error so you can report them to the moderator for being spelling police (which btw I'm not doing), just being logical here.

We're not falling for it.

I am still curious what your encrypted message means. My mom and I used to play the encryptic words in the newspaper growing up, but I'm not understanding this one.

Would you mind explaining please, otherwise nobody can answer your post because we are unsure what it means and you are asking a question.

I'm sorry you spent time on that - nm

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I'm not. It needed to be said - nm

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nm

You've never seen racist posts here? - Really?

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"at least white people have ideals."

proof please - need link

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to that post

I think that was taken out of context. - nm

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nm

No, that was pretty much the punchline. - no message

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if you get permission, I'll provide it - the post is up

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You're too late--the poster deleted the body of their - post. sm

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http://general.mtstars.com/349103.html

The responses:

http://general.mtstars.com/349108.html
http://general.mtstars.com/349217.html
http://general.mtstars.com/349167.html

It looks like a post was deleted because the responses aren't visible when you look at the thread. You have to specifically search for them.

Yeah... that seems to be the latest trick here since some finally figured out - the password function

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to edit their inflammatory posts... only to come back with a "huh?" or "who me?" or "no one ever said that!" response once someone else brings it up.

Playgound antics.

Some people have a problem with standing - by their words.

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I would too, if I said things like "at least white people have ideals."

Nothing a little screen cap wouldn't fix in the future.

With some of what has been said on this board, standing by one's words - should be the problem,

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but it's not. IMO, they're trying to:

1. "Cleverly" try and make people look like they're lying or making things up.
2. Potentially get posters edited/banned for referring to a post that has been edited/deleted which the moderator warned us a few days ago is a big no-no (even though the replies can be found via a search on this site) because one poster made a stink about it. Even if you linked to it before the edit, I have a funny feeling that they're seeing a reference to it, going back and editing, and then reporting the post that brought it up (before the edit). Don't be suprised if you get posts edited/deleted in the future for this reason.

Well you can't tell if a post is invisible when you - do a search, so...

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it's going to be hard for the moderator to determine herself whether or not a referenced post is one that is invisible (not deleted, because posts that are actually deleted are not visible), unless she goes to that particular thread and looks for it.

They're all in the index (unless that exact post was specifically deleted), and good luck getting people to double-check that they're not referencing a post that's no longer there. If that's a problem, maybe MT Stars can fix their search function.

It's ridiculous, isn't it? - sm

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But thems the rules according to the moderator as of a few days ago. I'm sure it will boil down to who's doing the reporting/complaining as to whether any action will be taken... and there will be no looking into if/when the delete or edit happened.

The moderator specifically stated that we are not to repost statements that have been edited by her or the poster (someone was actually accusing posters of copying and saving her posts before they were changed by her and then reposting to get revenge!), and this "trick," IMO, is what they are trying to make it look like. They've gotten the rules changed to fit them, and now it's time to have fun with it.

Some folks really need to get a hobby outside this board (but don't suggest scrapbooking -or God forbid gardening - or it will be deleted).

I'm pretty sure they just might be sick of the - "gotcha" posters

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Maybe they realized afterwards that they shouldn't have said what the did. In that case a little forgiveness is in order. I'm sure they have a reason for revising their posts. I think they are probably sick of posters trying to do a "gotcha". Either way it's their post, their prerogative to delete, edit or whatever. Someone below was arguing brutally with the Sarge that deleted posts could not be retrieved, but that's not true because someone is digging up posts that were deleted from posts way way way long ago and now posting them all. Unless he/she is copying everything ever posted and saving to her computer for just that right "gotcha" moment. LOL

If the post is gone cuz the post above was - above was deleted,

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it's still there. It's not deleted. You just can't see it anymore because the post it was attached to is gone. But if you do a search, the post comes up easily.

I do try to feel sorry for a poster like that who (sm) - msg

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obviously is so unhappy that this is all they have to do and take such pleasure in doing it, but I just can't muster up any sympathy.

I bet the poster knew that, too - sm

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I wonder the poster would do such a thing. She could get people in trouble doing that.

How can someone get someone in trouble - by deleting their own posts?

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I don't understand.

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Many of you are starting to veer off track of discussing issues and going after posters ridiculing them. I deleted 2 messages today. One I edited, but then reading replies from the same poster it was clear she was specifically going after the OP of a message with the intent of ridiculing them and nothing more. Do not post that you know what other posters think or whether or not they understand or don't understand issues. Nobody knows this. It doesn't matter whe ...

Oct 18, 2014
I am in the process of cleaning up the board. I have not finished yet. I have been deleting posts from all sides (that is both conservative and liberal). Stop insulting/ridiculing posters. Everytime I remove an insult another comes up. If you don’t agree that is fine, simply state why in a logical and adult fashion. There is no reason to write hateful remarks and ridicule any poster and make fun of them because you don’t agree with them or like what they ...

Mar 04, 2015
I'm slowly getting to all the insults. Please give me time. Feel free to report posts. I will get to them, but please do not report posts with excuses that don't fit the post. Do not report posts because you don't like what the other poster has to say. Nobody wants to hear that their side is doing wrong, but as stated previously, say what you want of politicians. Please do not report that someone called a politician a rat, ferret or something el ...

Aug 07, 2017
Nothing else to do with their time? It is so sad that MTs stoop to the level of arguing for the sake of argument and no one is going to be moved by their attacks on Trump or Obama. Reading angry posts on presidential vacations is beyond my understanding. Could someone who is caught up in this explain why subject is important to them and what they hope to achieve. Thanks. ...

Mar 03, 2012
"important" to the republicans are misinformed. The whole party is very afraid to make him mad. There have been several occasions in the past where an elected republican disagreed with him on an issue and then was pressured to go on his show and "apologize" As the defacto leader, he must be held to responsible for his words. If your husband or father heard him calling YOU the names he called Ms. Fluke, would he not have his teeth knocked out? As far as Limbaugh ...

Oct 14, 2013
I have not received any emails of posts being reported in probably close to 4 or 5 months now. I am wondering if there are posters who have been reporting posts. Thanks, Moderator ...

Aug 17, 2017
If you are disgusted by the vile filth and disrespect from the left, but still want your voice heard and still want to read opinions of others and have rational discussions, there are other sites for such. I, for one, will be leaving this forum permanently. If you are not aware of another site, you may email me for information, but I fully understand if you don't. (I probably wouldn't email anyone anonymously on this site.) Bottom Line: Don't give up your beliefs and don ...

Apr 03, 2012
I have not flown in years....scarily, not since the availability of the internet, have I traveled except for driving in my car. I'm in the process of planning my vacation of a lifetime, which is traveling to the east coast (Maine, to be specific) for 10 days of rest and relaxation. Now, here's where my ignorance shows. Can anyone tell me the best way on the internet to track down flight information? I have no idea how much to put aside for travel expenses, and I've ...

Jul 07, 2011
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Jun 30, 2012
Reading too many posts calling specific posters names. Messages calling posters names have been deleted with a warning to stop with the name calling and yet I'm reading more name calling from those same posters. Discuss issues and leave it at that. Do not be tempted to call other posters stupid or ignorant because you disagree with what they write. Posts that continue to reply calling them names will be deleted. Stick to the issues being discussed. Moderator. ...

May 12, 2013
Just catching up on the board and noticed the myth of Ambassador Chris Stevens being "dragged through the streets" repeated several times. I replied to one such instance below, but I'd like to bring it to the top for any who might not scan the board fully since I think it's really important in terms of anti-Muslim sentiment to try to dispel such a horrible assumption. Photos of U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens Dragged Through the Streets- Fiction!Embassy A ...