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Posted: Feb 20, 2013

Many of you are starting to veer off track of discussing issues and going after posters ridiculing them. I deleted 2 messages today. One I edited, but then reading replies from the same poster it was clear she was specifically going after the OP of a message with the intent of ridiculing them and nothing more.

Do not post that you know what other posters think or whether or not they understand or don't understand issues. Nobody knows this. It doesn't matter whether someone reads right or left wing articles. All sides are valid and worthy of posting if a poster wants to post. No one persons opinion is better than another or more important. EVERY ONE'S opinion is important here.

Do not come to the board for the purpose of ridiculing others. That is not what the board is for.

Do not report messages simply because you don't agree with them.

Please discuss issues and issues alone. Leave your personal grievances with other posters out or don't post at all.

Moderator

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You were going after the OP by posting - Moderator - sm

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That she does not understand things and that whenever she posts its from right wing sites so nothing she ever posts is valid and 2 other direct attacks against the poster. When some asking you if you meant that President Obama didn't say this and other things, you didn't answer her questions, you again went after the OP (twice) in a very clear attempt to ridicule her without addressing the issues that were being discussed.

When a poster tells other posters that the OP always posts from right wing sites, they don't know what they are talking about, and other things specifically about the poster and not about the issues that are being addressed by the poster of a message that is what is called ridiculing or going after a poster.

I've asked you to stick to the issues. You are free to post your opinion about issues and about what the OP posted. You are not free to ridicule posters. Then you wanted me to remove a post entirely because you don't like it. It is not my job to delete posts because another poster does not like the issues they are talking about.

If you have a problem with certain posters there are 2 solutions.

1. Don't reply.
2. Find another board to visit.

Don't know how much simpler that can be said.

Have a nice day.
Moderator

to: moderator - from: doe

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You are now making allegations about my integrity and my posts which I have no way of responding to. I am disheartened by your interpretation of my posts, particularly the paragraph below, which describes neither me nor my posts:

"When a poster tells other posters that the OP always posts from right wing sites, they don't know what they are talking about, and other things specifically about the poster and not about the issues that are being addressed by the poster of a message that is what is called ridiculing or going after a poster."

I'd like a clarification - Fanatical Hypocrite

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I don't think I've ever seen doe post anything I would say is offensive, derogatory or insulting. Now maybe those posts were deleted so fast I never saw them, but at least from my own POV as a board regular I've never seen her post anything I thought was offensive in one direction or the other.

What I need a clarification on is the exact nature of questioning sources. I understand 100% that we shouldn't say things like "You're an idiot for trusting that source," but are we still free to say, in so many words, "I don't trust that source." Because a lot of posts on both sides contain ridiculous sources for which the logical argument is "That didn't happen." I try to be nice when I say that, but sometimes that's the opinion which I want to express.

Another problem is that people can be extremely insulting without actually using the word "you" in a sentence. Many times people have replied to a post of mine with something like "Well, all liberals are communists and hate America." I've seen the same thing going the other direction. It's a form of bigotry either way. Yet at the same time, in a political board, it can be hard to keep tempers from flaring. In the past I've said some things I've regretted or made a joke at another's expense and realized too late I was making a fool of myself. I don't envy the job of any moderator on here, but it seems like the slightest violators get busted while the true hate-mongers go on.

Here is what I know about it - A Proud Republican Patriot

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First, she didn't sign her post with doe, so how anyone was supposed to know it was her I am unsure of. I won't comment on another posters past posts except to say I don't agree with you.

I read this post this morning. In particular it was very rude and ridiculing. It stated the OP didn't know what she was talking about, anything she ever posts is always from right-wing sources so nobody should ever take her seriously and she said 2 other derogatory comments about the OP that I thought was rude. I figured she had issues with the OP in the past and was going after her because of the moniker. Could be wrong of course, but that's the feeling I got and probably others too, including the OP. Then someone replied with, do you mean to tell me that Obama didn't say that, and then three other questions trying to bring it back to the conversation the OP originally stated and she replied again attacking the OP saying, that's right, she doesn't know what she's talking about, she reads right winger sources, and someone else replied and she replied another time with the same insults toward the OP, but not discussing the issues the OP wrote about. That's what I know about this mornings message. Maybe the OP remembers the last two insults that were written and you'd have to ask her, those first two just made my eyes roll and I just skipped by it and didn't want to get involved in the nasty attacks.

I really don't know what the big deal is. If you want to insult someone people should know that the insults will be edited or deleted. I don't know, but maybe if someone thinks that one side is being edited/deleted more than another maybe its because that side is insulting more than the other. I think the moderator has been very fair. In fact I have not seen her moderate a lot lately. Figured she is busy with her life like we are. Some of what is written though does make my eyebrows raise.

The thing that bothers me is, posts that call out libs - as "low-info voters" or even "idiot

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don't seem to warrant moderation somehow.

I can't bring myself to report those posts because I'm an adult with a life, but when I see people accuse liberals of being more insulting, it's pretty irritating.

Agree. And I have trouble believing lilbs complain - as much as the right. We do a perfectly good

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job of defending our own positions, whereas those wobbling on broken stools have more need to bring in the cavalry to protect them. I know I've never complained to the moderator about any of the rocks that come flying my way.

Neither have I - grits

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and some of them have been incredibly personally insulting. But I have broad shoulders, a thick skin, and a clear understanding of how this internet thing works. Others' mileage may vary.

Why don't you report that post - sm

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Instead you are not complaining, but are a bit miffed because certain posts are left standing. Report it. If she is busy I'm sure the help to get this board under control would be welcome.

I'm neither a liberal or a conservative. Most of the time I don't vote because I don't like who is running or I will vote in my own person I want. However, reading this board I do see more insults coming from the liberals side. There are cut downs and people making fun of other posters. Then a group will get together and have a good laugh over the insult and it's like they are all patting each other on the back. Maybe liberals don't realize that when you come on the board and tell posters that a study shows that liberals/democrats are more intelligent than conservatives/republicans, or that liberals/democrats understand issues more than conservatives, or that the most intelligent states are liberal states, that is an insult. Not enough to get edited, but the insult is there. When people say Fox News source is not real news, but NPR or MSNBC is that is an insult. Fox viewers are less informed is an insult. Glenn Beck and his viewers have empty heads is an insult.

You guys really should give the Moderator a break instead of trying to defend the ones that insult. I'd say if a post offends you report it. But don't not report it and then complain that it wasn't reported.

Also, maybe a lot of liberals here got used to the board around November/December when many conservatives left and they were used to making fun of conservatives without an argument. Being an independent I see faults on both sides.

But Fox reported the example you site - bootstraps

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And it was based on best/worst educated states, which can be interpreted as more intelligent or not so intelligent, I guess. I'm not sure of the exact wording when the post was originally made.

I don't understand why a fact should be considered insulting. I think that's the problem. People don't like it when the facts show their party in a bad light. The difference is, it is not intended or shouldn't be intended to insult any individual on this board, and no offense should be taken.

As the Moderator said, if you don't like a post (or a fact) just leave it alone or post about the issue, don't shoot the messenger.

that should be "cite" -- correcting my own post NM - bootstraps

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:-)

As far as I know - sm

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The moderator has never removed those posts. But it doesn't matter who writes what. When a poster comes on saying republicans are idiots, republicans are uneducated, uninformed. They don't know issues, etc, the sole purpose of that post is to insult the side you don't agree with. while they are not direct insults to a specific poster I for one thinks it crosses the line. Did you like the post that said Liberals and Obama supporters do not know issues? Most likely not. The same holds true for conservatives. Nobody wants to be told those things. There are certain things that even if people think it, it should be kept to themselves. It doesn't matter if Fox or NPR reports it. Its insulting. It also does not mean its correct. We've been told before that anything Fox reports is not true, but yet now if they report that liberal states are more intelligent that one piece of information is correct but everything else they report is not?

Seemed like there was a whole big blow up today because one poster, who didn't go by her usual moniker decided to ridicule and make fun of another poster, telling everyone here that that poster can never be taken seriously because she reads right-wing sites. Just so happens a lot of right-wing sites are correct about issues. But then insulting the OP once wasn't enough. It had to be done 2 more times, never addressing the issue, but then threw a fit when her post was edited/deleted and then came on to insult the Moderator. (good call).

If people say my sources are not credible I could care less cos I know for a fact they are.

But if a poster personally insults you then I would report it.

I'm not going to start reporting posts. - Not a road I'm going to go down.

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I think it's a waste of time, and it's bad enough that I'm posting on an internet board itself without starting to tattle on other posters. No thank you.

I agree. I wouldn't post on Obama's "fishy email" - board either. (sm)

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the one where he wanted you to report people saying bad things about Obamacare. Scum.

As I remember it, that's exactly what happened - on this morning's post.

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I was surprised at the poster for attacking the OP (me) from the starting block. I've never reported a poster but was sure tempted that time.

I think both sides are pretty equal - Fanatical Hypocrite

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We just tend to ignore our own side a bit too much. I know I'm guilty of that.

I didn't see her post(s), so I can't comment one way or the other then. In the end we can only know what we see with our own two eyes, so our two realities separate based on our diverging experiences.

Still, we can all learn to forgive each other our trespasses - unless what she said is really, really, really bad:) I forgive you for the time you referred to me, most of the people I love, and 51% of the population as "evil" communists/communist supporters.

http://general.mtstars.com/338601.html

We could all stand to be less insulting and hyperbolic I guess. I'm no more innocent on the matter than many others.

and both equally passionate - bootstraps

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Sometimes passion ends up going in an ugly direction...

I'll admit... I've pulled out the brass knuckles and not proud of it.

I admire your ability to drive home a point with eloquence and restraint.

I do have a habit of being blunt - sm - A Proud Republican Patriot

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But when I'm right I'm right, but I will apologize for saying evil. It doesn't matter who we love. I love a lot of my family who have been blinded by the hate. I guess evil is in the people doing the brainwashing. The people who have been brainwashed are not evil. They just don't understand. Of course I'm not saying that you fall in that category. But most do.

Change of heart? - SM

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2/22/2013: "The people who have been brainwashed are not evil. They just don't understand."

2/15/2013: "The democrats are doing nothing to better the lives of all Americans. ... There is just pure evil and anyone who supports the psychopaths is evil too"

Are you asking me if I had a change of heart? - A PRP

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Regarding the innocent bystanders who buy into the brainwashing, yeah I guess I do. It's like the religious cults. You can't really blame the ones who are being brainwashed.

Regarding the democrats in office, no I haven't. In fact every day I keep reading more and more destruction, twisting laws, enriching their banker buddies and 1%er friends, while doing nothing to help the American people. There is just a lot of darkness in some people. If you support the psychopaths and know what they are doing is wrong, but just as long as its people in your club creating the destruction, I wouldn't say that's evil per se, just blinded by hatred. If you are unsuspecting and have actually bought into the brainwashing then I don't know, guess I just pity them.

To: PRP - From: doe

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I happen to be the poster who answered the four Obama questions. I did so with tact, aplomb, and a touch of humor in that I closed by saying "that was easy". In answering the four Obama question, I made no attacks on the OP.

Thus, I hope you realize you are not referring to me when you say: "she replied again attacking the OP saying, that's right, she doesn't know what she's talking about, she reads right winger sources...."

I make it a point not to go after posters' sources, since it is such a hot button. How I ended up the poster child for this phenomenon is beyond me. I can only attribute it to the feeding frenzy that ensued.

This is not the first time posters pose questions and then become irate when they are answered.

I would ask you to dial back your assumptions about who said what and how.

To: doe - From: PRP

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I really don't care who wrote the insults towards the OP. The 4 points were not discussing the issues the OP brought up but instead was an attack on the OP. When someone writes that a poster doesn't understand. Or The OP gets all her references from right-wing sources and just to ignore her (i.e. she's too stupid everyone so everyone just ignore what this poster writes because if you look at all her past posts they are all right wing sources). In fact I do believe whoever wrote the attacks against the OP referenced her past posts. Not one of those 4 points addressed the issues she was discussing but was only attacking/trying to humiliate the OP and her integrity.

Don't know if you were the one who wrote those 4 bullet points against the OP or if it was someone else. But that poster 3 times attacked the OP and didn't address the issues the OP was talking about. If that was you you should take credit, if not then I would just drop it.

It became the center of conversation ("poster child" is a wrong term because poster child refers to someone who didn't deserve what they get), but I believe it became the center because the person who was attacking the OP decided to complain when the attacks were removed.

And since I didn't assume anything and didn't name anyone there is nothing to "dial back". Maybe if you were the poster who posted the attacks you should just dial it back a notch or two and realize what you did to another poster was wrong. If you are not that poster who posted the attacks then I would just let it go. As Hillary Clinton says "it doesn't really matter now".

To quote you, moderator - grits

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"You are free to post your opinion about issues and about what the OP posted."

What if, in my opinion, the OP doesn't have a clear understanding of the subject they posted about? Is it rude to point that out, as long as I use neutral language? Because that seems to be the crux of just about everything posted here; different understanding (or lack of same) of the issues.

There is a way to point out your disagreements - Moderator - sm

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Without being ridiculing or insulting. If you don't think someone understands something explain why without being ridiculing or telling other posters to ignore them because they don't know what they are talking about because of all their other posts. Just say I don't think you understand this or that and explain why.

All I'm asking posters for is to be courteous with other people. Don't say things to them you wouldn't want them to say to you. Issues are what drive us, what is important to us. It is possible to have a difference of opinion and discuss issues without blasting them with you don't know what you are talking about, your stupid and uneducated and your opinion does not matter cos you read sources I don't like or that I think are wrong.

Please everyone just have a little bit of common courtesy, please don't tell other people to ignore posters because they don't know what they're are talking about and never have in any of their past posts.

Argue the issues and explain why you believe what you do.

All I'm saying is argue about issues. Don't attack posters personally and ridicule them.

it's fairly apparent you are confused - doe

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you are citing lots of examples of stuff I simply don't do. I consider it plainly grotesque for you to make such allegations after having deleted my posts.

I was going by what was written in the message I deleted - Moderator

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Sorry you were confused on that. I was talking mostly about the insulting post I deleted earlier.

My messages in general have been for everyone. Everyone should stick to the issues and leave personal grievances with specific posters out.

If I complain about someone saying as a liberal I get stupider - with age, will do you delete their post? FYI,

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I've started my sixth decade, so I have good reason to take this personally.

If someone writes a post and says "you are stupid" - Moderator - sm

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That post will be deleted/edited.

If someone calls you stupid report it to me and I will fix it.

Moderator

But what if they really are stupid? LOL - sorry moderator, - couldn't resist.

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nm

Hasta la vista - I can't stand censorship - Fairminded

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I am sure some posters will not miss me, :) but I am going to take the censor's suggestion and "visit another board."

America: Just say NO to censorship :)

All of the editing and deleting that goes on here has been blatantly right-wing biased. - a lib

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I'm with you. What goes on here IS censorship, no question about it, and nothing fair about it.

I don't think it's the moderator, I think - the right just report messages a lot.

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I tested that out by reporting a few from the right, and my reporting was ignored. - a lib

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I'm sure you're right, there's more reporting from them, but I also believe there is obvious bias in the choices made, and that's censorship.

Anybody care to report this one and see what happens?

Check again - it was - edited. (nm)

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^

Yes, it looks like our side's squeaky wheels are finally getting a little grease too. - (edited after the above post, you realize) nm

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This is who I blame - mbmt

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I blame a few people on the right who have figured out that this board's moderator/moderators have tended to be conservative and have used it to their advantage to cause problems for any liberal/Democrat/progressive that posts. I don't blame the moderator because I realize she has a life outside of moderating this board, but I have to say that if she really had time to look through all of the posts, she would find that many times the complaints are unfounded. Oh, by the way, there is no way that those on the left have been as condescending and abusive as those few posters on the right (not all conservatives) have been.

Thank you - Moderator - sm

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I will be reading through all the messages when I get some time. There are many messages to go through so please give me some time to do it. Little by little I will go through.

Many posters are unhappy that I deleted out their insults. I am sorry about that. Many think I don't treat both sides fairly. I'm sorry they feel that way. Moderating has no sides. An insult is an insult no matter who says it. So as someone suggested to me, I will go and read each message. If someone insults another poster I will edit it. If someone is expressing their opinion I will leave it.

All I've asked is that posters don't insult others. Again, I will go through each message individually, just please give me some time to do it. There are a lot to go through.

I agree, and to take it a little further - grits

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The lopsided moderation (or appearance thereof) actually makes the situation worse; it causes resentment and makes people more likely to lash out, not less. Nobody likes being censored, especially not when the other side is apparently allowed free speech.

One thing I liked about this board immediately was the sticky that stated "lightly moderated," which I assumed meant swear words, racist terms, etc would be deleted. I prefer boards that are self-monitored. If that's impossible, moderation should be, IMO, more akin to a referee than a schoolmarm.

edit: I just saw your response, Mod, and I thank you. I know moderation is not easy and it's not like it's a paid gig :) I appreciate you not taking our venting personally, and I appreciate your openness to feedback. Not all moderators (experience with other forums) are as receptive.

Agree so much with this last - paragraph

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"One thing I liked about this board immediately was the sticky that stated "lightly moderated," which I assumed meant swear words, racist terms, etc would be deleted. I prefer boards that are self-monitored. If that's impossible, moderation should be, IMO, more akin to a referee than a schoolmarm."

The sticky says this isn't a place for people with thin skin, and I do like that about this board. The thing I don't like is the tattle-telling to the Moderator when someone tries to keep the situation light by making a joke instead of reacting to an insult with anger.

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Jun 24, 2012
I am slowly getting the board cleaned up. There are many personal insults and attacks and it needs to stop. If you are making a personal attack against another poster your post will be removed. If you are unable to comply with the rules of the board then don't post here. This is a political board to discuss political issues. This is not a board to come and insult other posters, call other posters names. Nobody knows anybody else on this board and I'm gett ...

Oct 14, 2013
I have not received any emails of posts being reported in probably close to 4 or 5 months now. I am wondering if there are posters who have been reporting posts. Thanks, Moderator ...

Aug 17, 2017
If you are disgusted by the vile filth and disrespect from the left, but still want your voice heard and still want to read opinions of others and have rational discussions, there are other sites for such. I, for one, will be leaving this forum permanently. If you are not aware of another site, you may email me for information, but I fully understand if you don't. (I probably wouldn't email anyone anonymously on this site.) Bottom Line: Don't give up your beliefs and don ...

Apr 03, 2012
I have not flown in years....scarily, not since the availability of the internet, have I traveled except for driving in my car. I'm in the process of planning my vacation of a lifetime, which is traveling to the east coast (Maine, to be specific) for 10 days of rest and relaxation. Now, here's where my ignorance shows. Can anyone tell me the best way on the internet to track down flight information? I have no idea how much to put aside for travel expenses, and I've ...

Jul 07, 2011
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Jun 30, 2012
Reading too many posts calling specific posters names. Messages calling posters names have been deleted with a warning to stop with the name calling and yet I'm reading more name calling from those same posters. Discuss issues and leave it at that. Do not be tempted to call other posters stupid or ignorant because you disagree with what they write. Posts that continue to reply calling them names will be deleted. Stick to the issues being discussed. Moderator. ...