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Posted: Feb 20, 2013

I've stated many times in the past - This board is not for bullying, ganinging up on, or ridiculing other posters. Telling posters their opinions don't matter, their links are not credible, anything they've ever posted in the past can't be taken seriously because of their moniker, their sources, calling posters stupid, etc. Will not be tolerated. I don't care what party you belong to or if you don't belong to any party.

Nobody likes their posts edited or deleted, but when a specific post does not discuss issues, but instead ridicules another poster it will not be tolerated and will be edited/deleted. The left always complain their posts are edited, and I get equal amount of flack from the other side. Moderating is moderating. Nobody should be ridiculled. You can call it anything you want to try and support your opinion, but if you are posting to make fun of a poster it will be removed. If you think that is censorship then find yourselves another board. Most likely the posters you are ridiculing will not miss you. Either way it will not be tolerated.

I have a family and job too. I cannot monitor the board every single hour of the day. I would hope that most of you are adults and can discuss issues without calling others right-winger, trolls, stupid, etc.

I'm telling you it will not be tolerated. If you don't like it then find yourself another board that allows people to attack each other. This board is for discussion of political issues. Nothing more. People are going to have strong opinions about issues, but I will not tolerate posts telling other posters that certain posters are not credible because they read right wing (or left wing) sites and that nothing they ever post can be taken seriously, and all other other insults I have been reading and I'm not going to argue with anyone who wants their insults to be left up.

I'm also not going to remove a post just because someone does not like the issue someone wants to discuss. Everyone's opinion on issues are important if it affects us. If you know that you don't what certain posters write then just skip their posts.

Stop cutting down other posters and then complaining when that insult is edited or removed. Nobody is above anyone here. We are all adults living in this country. We should be proud to live in a country where our opinions can be spoken about. Many countries you cannot do that. A liberals opinion is no more or less important than a conservatives opinion or a liberatarian's opinion or just anyone who does not affliliate with any party. We are all important.

Again, if you cannot remain civiliized towards other posters and only want to ridicule and embarrass then don't post here at all and find another site to go to.

Moderator.

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"links are not credible" posts "will not be tolerated"?? - a lib

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Attacking a *source* is not attacking a poster personally. And it's done by both sides. Maybe you can add it to the dropdowns to make it easier on all of us for the increased reporting that will now need to be done.

Huh? When a source is a blatant lie, it must be exposed or - there is no valid discussion.

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Ms. Moderator, with some sympathy for what you face I gave most of your post a like.

However, all viewpoints are not equal. Those based on lies are dishonest and, fortunately, easily exposed for what they are. And SHOULD be. Those positions based on truth have the strength of truth and usually many facts can be produced in support.

Whether they tend to currently support a right wing or left wing point of view is a different matter unrelated to their truth. If I cannot say a source is spreading propaganda lies--when it is--I'm out of here too.

I support your other statements, and I don't expect you to be perfect, or to be perfectly balanced in your political viewpoint. It is regrettable that I feel comfortable that I know your political leanings, but I can live with that in a person who respects the difference between truth and lies--and the power truth has over lies.

As long as some people post lies to "support" their positions, those positions WILL be knocked down ridiculously easily. But they can stop that any time they choose by choosing truth instead. I keep telling them that too.

If they don't recognize the difference, that's their problem.

Yes. That seems correct. So nobody gets their feelings hurt. - VP

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You are free to read all the unsubstantiated nonsense, blog rants, quotes/partial quotes taken out of context, or propaganda/rag pieces but don't dare mention that someone's link/source is not factual. Do you enjoy being hurtful?.!? Oh... and do this while keeping in mind that not too long ago we had someone post an Onion article that they thought was for real, and there's that very important Orly Taitz link too.

Good times.

It seems well nigh impossible to carry on discussions under these conditions. - a lib

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As somebody said before, the only thing that should be moderated is when somebody drops an F-bomb or the like. Otherwise, everything should just be left alone.

I've got enough tippy-toeing around that I have to do with my overzealous, inconsistent QA for work. I don't need to be on guard like that while here too.

Thanks for all the fish...

And remember, when we tried to use humor, that was a no-no too. - VP

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When answering the posted question "What the heck are some Democrats drinking lately?" Posting this is reason for deletion:

It's hurtful!

I have read (and suggested that others read) the stickies on the top of this board more than once. I figured that if the rules stated there as well as in the TOS were followed, we could say what we wanted... guess not.

(Link to original "Kava" thread below)

The infamous kava! - that was my kava!

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I feel so famous every time that kava tea gets brought!

Hurtful TROUBLEMAKER!!!! - VP

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lol... I posted the 40 oz in your honor on that thread.

Now, now, that was me asking not to overdo, not - Moderator. No one stopped you. A dem

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I noted your post. I disagreed and didn't think we were at the point - VP

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of ganging up, but I also understood (and respected) your point. However, unless you have the capability of going in and removing someone else's post, the moderator most certainly did remove a picture of a box of tea (highly offensive!). IMO, the simple pic of tea was a humorous and lighthearted way of answering a rather inflammatory (and insulting) question. "What the heck have Democrats been drinking lately?" implies that they are either drunk and therefore acting irrationally or "drinking the Kool-Aid" and therefore not capable of thinking for themselves. The OP's question was not meant to be answered... but the insult contained in it was supposed to be loud and clear. Someone got bent that the kava post changed the tone of the thread from insulting to humorous, reported it, and the moderator backed them up by deleting the tea pic and allowing the original inflammatory question to stand.

Again, the same happened to me when I posted, used the term "opposite day," directed the poster to the Games Board, provided a link to the issue at hand since the OP failed to do so, and signed it "Proud Conservative" when answering an Obama-bashing post signed with the moniker "Proud Liberal." That original post was meant to inflame and deceive, and I made an attempt to use humor to call the OP out on it. The e-mail I received said I was mocking!!?! Really? I could have saved time and just called them a liar and a troll. Oh... and the original post stood intact, of course. Could you imagine the fallout there would be if I (or any liberal) started using the moniker "Proud Conservative?" Maybe we should try it.

Anyhow, IMO, there is most definitely a clear bias in the moderating on this board. The question is whether it's intentional or a result of responding to the number of times a post has been reported and catering to the squeaky wheels.

Again, I don't understand why those sticky notes/rules are even at the top of this board if you can still be censored/deleted even while following them.

Hope this post is coherent.... coffee still needs to kick in.

The oh so (not) innocent picture of the tea - A Proud Republican Patriot

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was there to make fun of the OP. I remember it. The poster was concerned about an issue and the poster made fun of her by saying something like calm down, drink this its calm and relaxing and helps me. I thought, wow, can get any more insulting than someone who is worried about something by poking fun of them. The picture was not offensive itself, but the way it was making fun of the poster was. but then you already knew that. Just a tad upset that the moderator is getting the ridiculing under control I guess. I believe the moderator is saying just to stop ridiculing individual posters. If someone said to you "what the heck have you been drinking" why didn't you report the attack against you. I see many insults in general towards conservatives and they are not removed. Maybe the Kava post was removed because it did change the tone of the post. Did they talk about the subject matter that the OP posted about, or did they just post to make fun of her? I don't think anyone of us should be changing "the tone of the thread". That is not what posters want, for other posters to come in and change "the tone". Otherwise start a new thread. I don't remember the OPs question exactly, but I do remember I did not think it was inflammatory. Whenever conservatives bring up issues that are wrong and that are happening, sure some of them are tough and need to be talked about. Just because people don't like to hear it doesn't mean it is going to go away. This is the real world. There are many things going on, we can't live in a box only allowing good thoughts to come in not talking about the bad going on. I'm sure if the OPs message was inflammatory or insulting the thread would have been removed. Sometimes we have to face tough issues and hear things that we think are bad. That is the world we live in.

In your second paragraph I don't remember any of what you wrote. Would you care to share a link to show us?

I don't see any Obama-bashing posts on this board. I do see people who are concerned about issues under the Obama administration. Just as we held Bush responsible under his regime, we also hold Obama responsible under his regime. Disagreeing with issues is not "obama-bashing". If you want to sign a post Proud Conservative go ahead, nobody is stopping you. As we see on this board, a lot of posters use monikers that really do not describe themselves at all.

I have not seen the moderator "censoring" anyone's freedom to post about issues or news things going on. What I have seen gone are the insults, ridiculing, name calling (even though she allows liberals to call conservatives racists and obama haters), and just insults directed personally at other posters.

The easy solution is to not getting a post edited is don't insult another poster. The moderator has not been censoring the content of posts, just deleting insults.

Okay, except - grits

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the kava post was in direct answer to the question "What have the liberals been drinking," which, as the OP to your post stated, is a rhetorical question with an obvious implied insult. Answering back lightheartedly is within forum rules and infinitely better than snarling back in kind, which is why many of us took exception to it being removed.

As far as Obama-bashing, did you see the pictures of the fake food stamps with Obama's "portrait"? Did you see the posts that state "he's not MY president"? How about the unflattering puns on his name? These things constitute bashing and they were reported, out here for all to see, and allowed to stand. (For the record, similar bons mots regarding Bush also fell under the bashing category, back when he was prez).

I don't expect you to agree with me on the definition of bashing, but to say you haven't seen it is disingenuous. It happens just about daily.

Not sure if you were on the board when - Bush was prez...

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but I was and there were a lot of Bush-bashing posts that were allowed to stand (including the pic of him burning in effigy and the one of him made to look like Hitler).

I've never been one to report a post and I won't start now - matter of fact, there were several times that I joined in the Bush bashing because I was so upset about what he had done or had said. Maybe if we all started taking this board a little less seriously - I mean, it's not like we're going to solve the problems of the world on here! Apparently we can't even agree on what is just basic good manners in conversation and what is censorship!

Think about it this way - if you overheard one of your kids (or someone else's kids if you don't have any) in a conversation with someone else, would you tolerate them saying some of the things that are said on here? And then remember we're supposed to be the adults.

I couldn't agree more - grits

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with your point about taking the board less seriously. I think that right there is where a lot of the problem lies. I like to keep my responses light, and I appreciate others' efforts to do the same. Too often, humor is misinterpreted (or, okay, maybe the jokester gets carried away sometimes - *looks sternly into mirror*) but we really ought to pledge to try and take things at face value.

It's just the internet; it's not that serious.

Get out of my brain. - :)

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No, really, thanks for taking my same thoughts and making them actually coherent.

;)

I didn't take anything! - VP

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Hope you get the BB reference!

Suuure you didn't. - Who did, then?

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(mediocre effort to veer back to "political." was hoping for Romney in a tiara.)

So you skipped over all the insults she listed - and just picked up that one line

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What about "Telling posters their opinions don't matter, anything they've ever posted in the past can't be taken seriously because of their moniker, their sources, calling posters stupid, etc.

Psst...telling a person they and their links are not credible is an insult. I'm sure the moderator is not going to delete a post just if it says your link is not credible. But if someone tells me my link is not credible what that says to me is your stupid and I don't believe anything you have to say. Also I find it funny because some of the links I have posted in the past and been told it was not valid, three or four days later when the news came out over the MSM all of a sudden the same news story that was not valid all of a sudden becomes valid. I read a lot of different sites where I find information. Don't post a lot of it here even though it can be verified on multiple sites. But telling someone their link is not valid, especially without an argument as to why, is very insulting. It's like my links are credible and yours are not.

Also the moderator said nothing about attacking a source, she talked about attacking individual posters.

Maybe you could give the moderator a break. She's doing her job.

A Proud Republican Patriot

It's an extremely important line. - grits

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And I doubt anybody disagrees with the rest of it (as that poster said, s/he was fine with everything else).

Telling someone that their links are not credible is not an insult. I'm sure it's easy to take it personally and become defensive, but if you break it down, there is nothing insulting about calling a falsehood a falsehood. Telling a person they are not credible is a different thing, and that is an important distinction to make.

If a person is told their link is not believable, and they choose to get butthurt over it, that reflects more on the OP than the responder.

And now I've said "butthurt." I've had that word censored before, but it really does describe most of the offense that is taken here.

and works both ways, right? - bootstraps

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So now I can post MSNBC sources without challenge.

And I can start posting under my moniker again instead of anonymously as I started to do in order to avoid the distraction of being accused of monopolizing the board, collecting minions, and just blatant outright insults.

Because I've decided I will email Moderator Violet if any of the above occurs.

You can count me among - Fanatical Hypocrite

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your minions Bootstraps:)

Personally, I'm starting up my own news website (I'm thinking fanatical-hypocrites-blatant-pack-of-lies.com) so I can just use myself as my source. That way if I call someone an idiot, it'll be a "legitimate" news article. Oh, technical loopholes, the cause of and solution to all of life's problems.

And now I can start linking to Huffpo again. A new day dawns here.

I'm not going to delete/edit posts - Moderator

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Simply if they say your link is not credible or valid. If you insult a poster personally then yes, that will be edited/deleted.

To my knowledge I have never deleted out the words "your link is not credible/valid". Anyone who thinks a link is not valid or credible is just their opinion. Opinions are welcome. Insulting/ridiculing a poster personally is not.

Curiously, this post seems to imply liberals are the guilty party - anon

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I'm not quite sure how to fully verbalize my unease after reading the "poster's beware warning", so please see the directly copied quotes below and please correct me if I am wrong to feel there was a definite aim at liberals as being the primary offenders (which is hilarious based on the fact that in reality the politics board should be renamed the Bash Obama board).

Please feel free to ban me for daring to point this out.

DIRECT QUOTES TAKEN FROM OP:

--certain posters are not credible because they read right wing (or left wing) sites

--A liberals opinion is no more or less important than a conservatives opinion

--The left always complain their posts are edited, and I get equal amount of flack from the other side.

--without calling others right-winger, trolls, stupid, etc.

Thanks for that delineation. - a lib

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I totally missed that "right-winger" is considered a derogatory epithet. So obviously "left-winger" is too then. Don't forget that, folks.

I actually find "libs" the way it's often used here to be condescending and derogatory too, but that's part of why I took "a lib" as a moniker, to reappropriate it from those who would use it as an insult. Almost sorry now that my doing that has left it untouchable.

I wear left-winger on my shoulder proudly! - bootstraps

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Bleeding heart and all :-)

I'm wondering if Moderator is different one now?

Same here nm - Fanatical Hypocrite

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nm

Moderator, you have a thankless job, - lmn

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but thanks for standing up against the trend some posters were taking this site. A few bad apples were ruining the whole barrel.

I second that - thank you very much moderator - nm

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who are you - vk

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Seems Cher is gone. Do you have a name?

Yes I have a name - Moderator

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It is Violet. If you ever have an issue or anything please feel free to email me. I will respond back and then you will have my email address.

Well, Hi, Violet. - :) nm

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I like that name - nm

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