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Ocare runs out of $$ before launch. What now?

Posted: Jul 9, 2013

It's a conundrum.

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When I have to start paying for OCare and with my taxes - I will now bring home about 900 a month - sm

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As a healthy 58-year-old in Ohio, my average OCare bill will be right at $385 a month. I may be healthy when OCare starts but will be dying a slow starving death because I won't be able to afford food to keep me healthy!

If that's true - then

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you obviously qualify for subsidized coverage. Might want to look into it unless, of course, you prefer becoming a party martyr. It's your call.

Subsidized coverage = higher taxes - sm

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The money to pay for subsidized coverage will have to come from somewhere. It just won't fall out of the sky. So that will leave us all with higher taxes than we already pay. No party martyrdom, just logic.

Oh, OK. So you prefer to carry water for the party - at your own expense

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then complain bitterly about the consequences of your own decision, like so many others in your party. What's logical about that?

Here's another obvious flaw in your argument. Since you claim a $385 insurance premium would leave you with $900 per month take-home pay, that puts you far, far below the minimum income threshold of $200,000 for an individual who would see a tax hike of any description related to Obamacare, unless of course after adding your husband's income to your alleged pittance pay brings your combined incomes up over the $250,000 threshold for couples. If that were the case, then you guys would be able to handily afford that $385 monthly premium after all. The only conclusion one could draw from that scenario is that, once again, party politics drives you to choose to protect the interests of big businesses and folks making 10 times as much money as you do at the expense of your own.

See how nicely that works out? That's what logic looks like.

Well OK....... - sm

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First, I am not the poster referred to in your second paragraph, just made a comment.

Second, you do not know what political party I support, just making an assumption.

Third, since you are drawing conclusions then I feel I can draw one of my own. From your post, I conclude that for you this is not about affordable and quality healthcare for everyone, but rather more of a chance to "stick it" to people who have more money than you have. What's logical about that?

Nothing, especially since it's a just a fact-free dig. - nm

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If that's the case, then why will approximately 30,000 - still be without coverage?

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The Grand Plan stinks, that's why

Can't specifically address this unsubstantiated number - but

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momentarily assuming, for the sake of argument, the dubious number is legit, it sure stinks a lot less than the 48.6 million who were uninsured in 2012, don't you agree? BTW, that number is down from the 2011 stats due to Obamacare already extended to kids under 26 on their parents' policies and those with pre-existing conditions who got coverage they previously could not access.

Where did that number come from? - (see msg)

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Admittedly there will still be some people without coverage, because of the states run by Republicans who are refusing to extend Medicaid coverage to the working poor in their states, even though it would be covered by federal subsidy. Who cares about hurting people (especially since you can call them "47%" instead of people!) when all you care about is digging in your heels against anything and everything Obama tries to accomplish to improve things in this country?

Stop blaming the Republicans! This number comes from the CBO - Truthhurts

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The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) have estimated that about 30 million nonelderly residents will be uninsured in 2016, but the majority of them will not be subject to the penalty tax. Unauthorized immigrants, for example, who are prohibited from receiving almost all Medicaid benefits and all subsidies through the insurance exchanges, are exempted from the mandate to obtain health insurance. Others will be subject to the mandate but exempted from the penalty tax—for example, because they will have income low enough that they are not required to file an income tax return, because they are members of Indian tribes, or because the premium they would have to pay would exceed a specified share of their income (initially 8 percent in 2014 and indexed over time). CBO and JCT estimate that between 18 million and 19 million uninsured people in 2016 will qualify for one or more of those exemptions. Of the remaining 11 million to 12 million uninsured people, some individuals will be granted exemptions from the penalty because of hardship, and others will be exempted from the requirement on the basis of their religious beliefs.

Not to split hairs, but 30,000 is considerably different - from 30 million

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Though it's still an significant improvement over 48.6 million uninsured in 2012.

It says 30 million not thousand - Truthhurts

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second paragraph.

http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43628

Sounds perfectly reasonable they should be exempt - from the mandate.

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In fact, the GOP should be jumping for joy that undocumented immigrants are excluded,. However, those groups do have alternative health care programs they can access. For example, in my county system, undocumented immigrants and their children, low income and jobless are not disqualified for care. I would imagine Indian Health Services will also manage to survive Obamacare unscathed as well. Since ACA will undoubtedly ease the current burdens on those types of systems, it is not a foregone conclusion these groups will go without care. They just will not be receiving it under the mandate.

Sorry - this was to read 30,000,000 - nm

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nm

Posts like this remind me of tabloids displayed in the - checkout aisle at WalMart. nm nm

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Oh, okay. So what you're saying it was good planning? - Really?

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nm

Not really. OP content was never - dignified with a comment. nm

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