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No photos of Osama to be released. nm
Posted: May 4, 2011
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I think that is wise. - Let it stop.
[ In Reply To ..]After the birth certificate issue, I do not see the point. You know, the BC had been released for about 5 minutes, when the conspiracy people decided it had been photoshopped. Same thing would happen again, so it would just inflame the situation and cause more deaths. Let it stop.
I think it is a terrible decision... cause more conspiracy - theories than ever.. bad decision.nm
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conspiracy theorists - flydom
[ In Reply To ..]That shouldnt be a factor in deciding. Those whose avocation and/or vocation is to take daily events and distort them into something to feed to the disturbed to keep them uneasy will use anything.
Wrong! People already question Obama on a lot - This makes it worse. Secretive as he is.nm
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wise decision - flydom
[ In Reply To ..]Obama demonstrates the U.S. is a class act. His actions show the country and the world what it is like to live with dignity and respect.
Look behind the curtain. Oh wait... - you are self-appointed
[ In Reply To ..]guardian of the curtain of the great and powerful Oz...errrr, Obama.
Got it.
good idea - flydom
[ In Reply To ..]to stay on topic and not make presumptions and personal attacks.
I will take your advice if you take it. You took - the first Jimmy Carter
[ In Reply To ..]shot, remember?
difference - flydom
[ In Reply To ..]I was following the logic of one who refuses to credit Obama for the successful military action. You made the personal attack that I was a "self-appointed" something or other. Mine was response to a thought process; yours was personal attack.
Ummm....pontificate all you want, but - an attack is an attack
[ In Reply To ..]and whatever "process" you used, the result was the same.
You take yourself way too seriously.
all right - flycom
[ In Reply To ..]And a shoe is a tourniquet. Thanks for your insight into my self regard. I will take it under advisement.
You're welcome...and I doubt it. lol. ;) - nm
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I am confused. - please help
[ In Reply To ..]I read all of the flydom posts today and now yours. I would appreciate if you could explain how her Carter deduction is an attack. It is pure logic, impersonal and was applied to presidents of both parties who have been caught up in comparable situations.
If we are to accept your premise, then please explain how the Oz post, the choice of the word pontificate, and the expressed doubts backtalk play into this context. If this is not personal attack, then what is it and how does is relate to the subject of the thread?
Ah...the "pure logic" portion of Team - Condescension has
[ In Reply To ..]picked up the torch. Don't you ever get tired of this hoohah, really? Do you talk like this in an average conversation with someone...and how long does it take their eyes to glaze over?
As I stated before...you really need to get over yourself. If you were half as intelligent as you want to project yourself to be, you would not feel the need to try to impress all of us with your wit and yes...pontification.
Why do I use the word pontification?
Pontification - The act of speaking out for the purpose of hearing onself speak.
I think the reason I use it should now be self-explanatory.
No, the reason you do it is self-explanatory. - Please spare us! nm
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Us? Mouse in your pocket? LOL ;-) - multiple personalities?
[ In Reply To ..]One big brain running all the little sets of fingers? Do tell!
And one tiny brain - compelled to respond.
[ In Reply To ..]This is poster number 4 by my count. If I throw down, that makes 5. Get a clue.
woohoo...bet making that post sent a tingle - up your leg.
[ In Reply To ..]seriously?? Just because you post 4 times does not make you a we. Try not to be so obvious before suggesting someone get a clue. ;-) lol
I knew before I asked that you could not do it. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Who is this generic you person? Who needs to get over themselves? Flydom or me? You do realize that I am not flydom, dont you?
No, I never tire of the hoohah, yes I talk like this all the time, dont glaze any eyes over on account of the company I keep (well-read, educated, intelligent political activists from all parties, among others), have no need to impress anyone here or elsewhere, and am no pontif (far, far from it).
I have answered all your questions, now suppose you take a stab at answering mine, which you have not done here. If I am left to divine a self-explanation, based on the close-but-no-cigar definition you provided, then I would have to logically conclude that your previous posts were in fact nothing more than run-of-the-mill personal attacks so typical of the gotcha gang who could not conduct a real politial discussion if their lives depended on it.
Again, you pontificate....look it up, it does - not just refer to the pontif.
[ In Reply To ..]If you were as intelligent as you like to project that you are, you would know that.
As to the eyes glazing over...I am sure yours don't. It is the people who have to listen to you, if you indeed speak like this to people...THEIR eyes glaze over.
A real political discussion? Let's talk about Obama's handling of the deficit...why we are still in Iraq when he promised out in 180 days. Why he promised a transparent administration that is anything but. Why he said he had more important things to do and the first one was Oprah? Why he would propose a 3 trillion dollar budget on top of a 14 trillion dollar deficit? Why he said there would be no lobbyists in his administration and it is filled with them?
That should get you a start, if you can do it without pontificating that is. And I seriously hope your life NEVER depends on a real political discussion.
As a verb: To speak in a pompous or dogmatic manner, pontificate. nm - ??
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Exactly...condescending, pompous and - dogmatic...and talking
[ In Reply To ..]just to hear yourself talk. Thanks for helping out with that.
Class act, LOL, right. Obama is a total embarrassment. - GetReal
[ In Reply To ..]He cant fix the USA either because he has not a clue what he is doing. Its just one big experiment day to day with him. We need someone who can run something. So, showing the pics would be classless? No, just reality, the truth, something Obama struggles with all the time, unfortunately.
2B sure. - nm
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MAYBE HE WILL RELEASE THEM IN 2 YEARS... - LIKE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE
[ In Reply To ..]Just needs a little time to conjure stuff up.
No, it will be sometime during his re-election - bid to try to drown out
[ In Reply To ..]we out here in America screaming IT IS ABOUT THE ECONOMY, STUPID!
Didn't we hear that from their side last time around? ROFL.
Were all these LEADERS "disturbed?" - Researcher
[ In Reply To ..]Rockefeller, Fred Gates, Plato, various Senators and Congressmen, et al ALL wrote of and discussed a WORLDWIDE CONSPIRACY. And you are suggesting that they are/were all "disturbed?"
It appears that the ONLY thing you "anti-conspiracy" mainstreamers can come up with is AD HOMINEM ATTACKS. That's because you have NO salient points to refute the EVIDENCE!
''The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.'' J. Edgar Hoover
"Most people, including ourselves, live in a world of relative ignorance. We are even comfortable with that ignorance, because it is all we know. When we first start facing truth, the process may be frightening, and many people run back to their old lives. But if you continue to seek truth, you will eventually be able to handle it better. In fact, you want more! It's true that many people around you now may think you are weird or even a danger to society, but you don't care. Once you've tasted the truth, you won't ever want to go back to being ignorant!" â Plato, The Republic
"When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
"If it is not in the media... it did not happen. If it did not happen, but is in the media... we believe it has happened." Charles T. Tart
"The people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands." ~ Frederick Gates, chairman of the Rockefeller-created General Education Board, 1902.
"I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what Congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington; they would not wait for an election....It adds up to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the United States!" -- George W. Malone, U.S. Senator (Nevada), speaking before Congress in 1957.
The Rothschilds controlled the entire banking system of Europe, and gained control of The Bank Of England in 1814. His family was the real driving force behind the Federal Reserve.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws." Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the House of Rothschild.
More recently, Richard McKenna, former President of Midlands Bank of England said, âThose that create and issue the money and credit direct the policies of government and hold in their hands the destiny of the people.â
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and money system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." Henry Ford, founder of the Ford Motor Company.
"The death of Lincoln was a disaster for the western world. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots, and the bankers went anew to grab the riches. I fear that foreign bankers with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America and use it to systematically corrupt civilisation." Otto von Bismark (1815-1898), German Chancellor, after the Lincoln assassination.
"The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever-close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately-owned Federal Reserve Bank." Curtis Dall, FDR's son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law
"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." - General Douglas Macarthur
"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - President Woodrow Wilson
President Woodrow Wilson in 1916: "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." (President Woodrow Wilson signed the 1913 Federal Reserve Act).
"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."-- U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House.
"The invisible Money Power is working to control and enslave mankind. It financed Communism, Fascism, Marxism, Zionism, Socialism. All of these are directed to making the United States a member of a World Government ..." - American Mercury magazine 1957.
"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." - Franklin D. Roosevelt
"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." -- British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli in 1844.
"By the time you become the leader of a country, someone else makes all the decisions. You may find you can get away with Virtual Presidents, Virtual Prime Ministers, and Virtual Everything." - Bill Clinton
"The order's working and involvement in America is immense. The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes." - Felix Frankfurter (U.S Supreme Court Justice)
"Fifty men have run America, and that's a high figure." Joseph Kennedy, father of JFK, in the July 26th, 1936 issue of The New York Times.
"Today the path of total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government - a bureaucratic elite." Senator William Jenner, 1954
"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976
"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority." Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20, 1992.
âWe will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." International Banker and CFR member Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, speaking before the United States Senate.
"The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is the American Branch of a society which originated in England ... (and) ... believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule established."-- Professor of History Carroll Quigley, Georgetown University, in his book Tragedy and Hope. (David Rockefeller is Chairman of the CFR and founded the Trilateral Commission in the early 1970s).
"The Council on Foreign Relations is âthe establishment.â Not only does it have influence and power in key decision-making positions at the highest levels of government to apply pressure from above, but it also announces and uses individuals and groups to bring pressure from below, to justify the high-level decisions for converting the U.S. from a sovereign Constitutional Republic into a servile member state of a one-world dictatorship." Former Congressman John Rarick 1971
"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power-- Political, Monetary, Intellectual, and Ecclesiastical."-- U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater from his 1964 book No Apologies
"I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it." Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
The Jewish Tribune of New York, on October 28, 1927, stated; "Masonry is based on Judaism. Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the Masonic Ritual and what is left?" The well known rabbi, Isaac Wise, was emphatic when he concluded: "Freemasonry is a Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end." In Morals and Dogma, authored by the late Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite, Albert Pike, we discover the revelation that the Jewish cabala is the very basis of Masonic practice and ritual.
"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government." -- Henry Kissinger speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992 Bilderbergers meeting. Unbeknownst to Kissinger, his speech was taped by a Swiss delegate to the meeting.
Sept. 23, 1994 â The globalists realize that as more and more people begin to wake up to what's going on, they have only a limited amount of time in which to implement their policies. Speaking at the United Nations Ambassadors' dinner, David Rockefeller remarks: âThis present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for too long.â [Notice that he did not question if world order would come - only whether it would arrive peacefully.] He believes: âWe are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.â
"Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure---one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."--David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405
I think you are wise - no1joe
[ In Reply To ..]to think that it is wise... as well as rational. Seeing as how the rational thinkers seem to be outnumbered on here as of late, figured I'd chime in and show my support. You're not alone.
The irrational and paranoid will have a field day with this whether or not the pictures are released. Releasing the pictures will do nothing but expose people (remember... if it's on the net, our kids can and will find them) to gruesome images that we really don't need to see as well as provide an image to OBL's supporters of their slain leader to cause outrage. Nor will releasing the photos provide any comfort to relatives/loved ones of 9-11 victims.
It's over. OBL is dead. With or without photo evidence, you can either believe it or have fun spotting him at the supermarket hanging out with Elvis.
No, releasing the pictures is his responsibility. - Independent
[ In Reply To ..]Obama will NEVER be a real leader to our country. Wish he would appoint someone else and step down.
The word is discretion, which he used wisely in this decision - sm
[ In Reply To ..]He did what is best for the safety and security of the troops, diplomats, Americans living abroad, and the country as a whole, perhaps at his own personal (political) peril, by choosing strength over weakness. Releasing the photos would only serve the interests of political fanatics stateside and religious fanatics abroad. I am glad, but not surprised, he did not cave to the pressure of those whose sole purpose in life is to discredit his every move and destroy his presidency.
Nobody needs to destroy his Presidency. - He is doing that
[ In Reply To ..]all by himself.
Yes, Obama one of the worst presidents in history.nm - :-(
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Predictable prattle x2 - Yawn.
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You are obviously awake enough to have to reply.nm - LOL !
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Predictable prattle. - Yawn.
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Boring repetition......yawn......zzzzzzz ;-) - NM
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Totally disagree. We will be hated whether or not we - show the photo or not. Releasing
[ In Reply To ..]the photo is the proof, and many of the 911 families wanted this. Quit acting like this is all about fanatics!! It is not!
these is no proof - flydom
[ In Reply To ..]that will satisfy those determined to deny reality. If one needs photo proof, does it follow that he/she is discrediting the phenomenal SEALS that risked their lives so the very same poster could continue to freely express their doubt in the president?
You should not lump everyone wanting to - see the photo into one
[ In Reply To ..]group? Several of the 9-11 families are expressing disappointment that their President has chosen not to release the photos (especially after Leon Pannetta said they would be releasing them). Are they determined to deny reality? I think not. And if having your loved ones blown to smithereens or jump out of a building 30 stories up to keep from being incinerated does not entitle you to see the body of the man who helped it happen...then I don't know what does, frankly.
Okay, then let the SEALS talk or show photos!! - GetReal
[ In Reply To ..]Let SEALS identity be protected, or show photo, do something. Just claiming he is dead or claiming there was DNA proof is not enough. Many 911 families want to see proof. Let them. Obama is pathetic in so many ways.
whoa - flydom
[ In Reply To ..]Obama has done his duty. He reported the results of the military action to the world. Take it or leave it. Those who chose not to believe are owed nothing more.
I agree 100%. No one has a "right" to see anything. sm - oldtimer
[ In Reply To ..]National security usurps anyone's desire to see the body. I think that in the end the only thing the families of the 9-11 victims and the families of soldiers that have lost their lives over the past ten years care about is that he is dead...period.
I believe if the 9-11 families want to see it - they should be allowed to.
[ In Reply To ..]even if he has to invite them to the white house to do so. I believe the horror they had to live through gives them that right. I don't care if I ever see it, but to deny it to those people is wrong. National security is not going to be impacted by allowing those family members who wish to see it to see it.
We'll never know if they have been told they could see them if they wanted - But why in the world would they?
[ In Reply To ..]I doubt any of them want to, but we'll never know if the pictures would be made available to them if they asked. It's really none of our business. Hopefully they have more productive things to do with their time.
Todd Beamer's father expressed a desire - to see it....and other
[ In Reply To ..]families have as well. Why does anyone go to view an execution of the person who killed their loved ones? Don't know, but they do it. It is no different, except this is a photo of someone already dead, not someone who is going to be killed before their very eyes.
And your last statement was at the least tacky and at the worst cruel.
Yes, some have already expressed it. They should - be allowed to see his photo.nm
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How will this affect Natl Security? Baloney! - Nice elitist attitude -let them see it!.nm
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Let's see here, - sm
[ In Reply To ..]For starters, so-called homegrown extremists have already crawled out of the woodwork stateside and been planting suspicious packages all over the place since Monday (see link). Since none of these were found to be dangerous so far, what do you think the intended message was behind these acts?
Once photos of OBL with left eye socket blown out, brain matter scattered here and there, chest blown wide open, more blood, guts and gore reach the hands of Islamic terrorists far and wide, what do you suppose their reaction would be? He was their most revered leader. He is dead at the hands of a US direct attack and even in the absence of the body is being martyred in the minds of the most fundamental Moslem extremists and known terrorists as we speak. How do you think they would express the outrage those photos would undoubtedly evoke? Hint: They won't pick up their marbles and go home.
It does not take a condescending elitist to grasp this concept. Unbelievable anyone would even have to ask this question.
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/05/suspicious_packages_reported_a.html
Well...no need for pictures now with your - graphic description
[ In Reply To ..]which, by your yardstick, just breached national security. You really think a picture could inflame them more than they already are? Really. That picture will just push them right over the edge. These are people that live in war zones and gore is nothing new to them. Good grief!! They hacked peoples' heads off on video with dull knives!!!
The issue to them is he is dead and America killed him.
Like the OP said..get real, and grasp that concept!
are you including the 9-11 families who are - disappointed in this
[ In Reply To ..]decision among the irrational thinkers? I guess they disagree with you about what comfort it might provide.
Good point. It was just the wrong decision.nm - :-(
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Are you excluding me from being one? - no1joe
[ In Reply To ..]Where I live, pretty much EVERYONE is either related to or knows someone who was lost on 9-11. It affected every single family and community in this area. Related to? No. Neighbor of 25 years? Yes (FDNY). Seeing pics of OBL dead will provide no comfort, IMO. Thanks for asking.
If you would do a little reading before you - attack...9-11 families
[ In Reply To ..]ARE expressing disappointment in his decision. So, I will repeat, apparently they do not share your idea that it will provide no comfort, and since they experienced as great or greater loss than you, are entitled to be disappointed that their President is not going to release the photos.
Particularly embarrassing after Leon Pannetta said on national TV that they were going to.
They need to get together and compare notes before going on TV. Might have to do less damage control that way.
Thanks for...well, not sure I have anything to thank you for.
And you need to think before you post - no1joe
[ In Reply To ..]Yes... you're right. Showing the picture of OBL's brain splatter will be like a magic band-aid and take away all the pain and sense of loss people have been experiencing. I should have known that. Thanks, Dr. Phil.
Tell you what, instead of forming an opinion based on an interview I saw (probably on Fox), I'll form my own opinon based on my personal feelings as well as the perspective of all the people I know who have been personally touched by 9-11.
Thanks for... the great insight. In the meantime, stick to a different topic in order to rip the President a new one. The tirades springing up from this topic are bordering on disrespectful.
You are certainly dismissve of people - you don't know...
[ In Reply To ..]personally. Actually, the person I saw interviewed was Todd Beamer's father. He was very disappointed. And I think he has the right to be disappointed and would not appreciate your crass comment about a magic band-aid. And you have the gall, after that comment, to talk about something bordering on disrespectful.
When you get stirred up you drop all the pretense and give us a glimpse of the real joe.
Thanks for that.
Releasing the pic is not going to... - no1joe
[ In Reply To ..]bring anybody back. Period. If you want to rip the president apart because he knows this and doesn't want to provoke any further incidents by releasing them, that's your deal. If you are using anyone's personal experience and opinion regarding this to justify your need to rip the president apart because you enjoy doing so, you're disrespectful. Thanks for the glimpse into the real you.
I'm done with this. Go ahead and satisfy that overwhelming urge you have to have the last word. I won't be responding. Maybe by talking to yourself, you'll finally get someone to agree with you.
Did your relative die in 911? If not, not your business.nm - Independent
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And if he had released the photos you would - be vigorously defending
[ In Reply To ..]him for releasing them. I get it. He is perfect, he does no wrong in your eyes. So no matter what he does or says, you are behind it 100%.
You are always done with it when you can no longer defend your position..which in this case is indefensible.
As a liberal you should understand this: the questioning of authority is an essential part of democracy and the essence of patrotism...so a liberal once told me. Unless of course that liberal meant as long as the authority you are questioning is conservative or Republican.
Cya.
I for one trust his judgement. If he had released...sm - oldtimer
[ In Reply To ..]the photos I would have supported his decision, but I'll bet you would not be applauding that decision either. No decision made by the president would make you happy.
You are wrong. Had he chosen to release - them I would have
[ In Reply To ..]supported it. I thought he was going to. Never said a word about him releasing them. Leon Pannette said they were going to. If I was going to oppose it, would have done so then.
He decided to press the GO button to get bin Laden. I am 100% in agreement with that decision. Probably the only one, but that gores to show you that there ARE decisions he could make to make me happy. Addressing the deficit in a meaningful way would make me VERY happy. That would make me happy no matter WHAT President did it. Coming through with his promise of the most transparent administration in history would absolutely thrill me to death. I don't see it happening.
I don't have the problem of toeing the party line. I just want the people in Washington who were elected by us to DO SOMETHING about the seriousness of the financial situation this country is in, because if we default none of the rest of this hoohah will matter.
Security is more important than anyone's - disappointment. nm
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Security? What? That is no excuse. THAT IS - A JOKE!! LOL. nm
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Excuse me, but - sm
[ In Reply To ..]how dare you presume to speak on behalf of 9/11 families? I saw an interview with a woman last night whose son was one of those passengers on Flight 93 who helped prevent its crashing into the Pentagon. She expressed joy and relief over death of Bin Laden. When asked if she felt the president should release the photos, she said she had no need to see the pictures. She would not speculate on whether or not they should be released and said she had complete confidence in the decision the president would make.
I have a friend whose brother (a first responder) died in Tower II. I spoke to her yesterday and she said she was afraid to look at the photos and believes that seeing more carnage could trigger the nightmares she had for 3 years after the attack. In the 9+ years since the attack, she has never once presumed to speak for any other 9/11 family, only her own, even though she has attended 9/11 family church, political and social events along with a 9/11 PTSD support group that at one time had more than 70 members. She has always told me that each family and each member experienced the tragedy in different ways and that she does not feel she has the right to speak for her mother, father or younger brother, only herself.
It very well may be that some among them would receive comfort from the photos, and I do not take issue with that, but I find the phrase irrational thinkers to be highly offensive. I am certain Obama did not take this decision lightly. No matter what he decides, there will be those who do not agree. His primary concern in this case is national security, which I believe all 9/11 families support without a doubt.
Was not speaking on behalf of 9-11 families. - THey spoke for themselves.
[ In Reply To ..]Todd Beamer's father said in interview he hoped they were released, he wanted to see them. Other families have also stated, on their own, they would like to see them.
Probably for the same reason that families of murder victims want to watch the execution of the person who killed their loved ones.
I think it's more evidence that he is an excellent President - Very pleased with Obama
[ In Reply To ..]There will never be a perfect President, but I am very pleased with President Obama. He makes thoughtful decisions. I like that very much.
Will a thoughtful decision be forthcoming - about the deficit, out
[ In Reply To ..]of control spending, the debt ceiling, unemployment, anytime soon? In between golf and Oprah? Just any time?
Obama is a TERRIBLE leader and terrible president - on the economy.. ugh! nm
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I would add very intelligent decisions! - Yay! Obama!
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Yes! He certainly does make excellent decisions. - nm
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I figure he will hold this back for a few - weeks and then release
[ In Reply To ..]to again divert the news cycle away from the economy, jobs, deficit, debt ceiling...he wants the public focus to be on ANYTHING but that while he is running for re-election.
Not rocket science.
A lesser country might display it so people could gloat - Proud to be an American where we do not do that
[ In Reply To ..]I am so proud to be an American and live in a country where we don't display and gloat over dead bodies. We truly are better than that.
Obama has no common sense -not surprised.nm - Frank
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But of course not...did you even expect there would be - No brainer on that one(nm)
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Why not? Rioting? How ridiculous. He should - have released them and ENDED THIS!!.nm
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Many 911 families already expressing disappointment - with Obama's decision. nm
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I'm glad they aren't going to release them - No desire to see dead bodies
[ In Reply To ..]I had already been wondering how to avoid seeing them if they had been released. I really didn't have a strong opinion about whether they should be or not, but I am so relieved that they are not. There are those who would have an unhealthy desire to gloat over them. Our country is better than that.
You dont have to look. If people hurt by 911 want to - see them, should be allowed.nm
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You don't think holding a press conference - and then releasing
[ In Reply To ..]the picture of the situation room telling the entire world they were all watching it as it happened was not perceived as gloating? Really?
I like President Obama's style of leadership - Good for him!
[ In Reply To ..]I wasn't an Obama supporter, but over time I have become one.
me, too - noni
[ In Reply To ..]It seems to me that the majority of people on this board posting in the politics forum are very far right. I'm trying to figure that out.
The fact is that if President Obama had walked to the microphone Sunday night carrying Bin Laden's head on a platter these same people would be complaining and skeptical about whether or not it was really his head. Amusing and scary at the same time.
Not only do some indulge in conspiracy paranoia - sm
[ In Reply To ..]They also suffer from multiple personality disorder and have a lot of time on their hands. Things are certainly not always what they seem to be.
Armchair diagnose much? - Historian
[ In Reply To ..]So, please tell us, did Plato, Fred Gates, Rockefeller, and the various and sundry Congressmen and Senators quoted below also suffer from "multiple personality disorder" and "paranoia?" Because they ALL discussed a MAJOR, WORLDWIDE CONSPIRACY.
Please refute these FACTS with something better than lame ad hominem attacks.
''The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.'' J. Edgar Hoover
"Most people, including ourselves, live in a world of relative ignorance. We are even comfortable with that ignorance, because it is all we know. When we first start facing truth, the process may be frightening, and many people run back to their old lives. But if you continue to seek truth, you will eventually be able to handle it better. In fact, you want more! It's true that many people around you now may think you are weird or even a danger to society, but you don't care. Once you've tasted the truth, you won't ever want to go back to being ignorant!" â Plato, The Republic
"When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic." Dresden James
"If it is not in the media... it did not happen. If it did not happen, but is in the media... we believe it has happened." Charles T. Tart
"The people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands." ~ Frederick Gates, chairman of the Rockefeller-created General Education Board, 1902.
"I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what Congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington; they would not wait for an election....It adds up to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the United States!" -- George W. Malone, U.S. Senator (Nevada), speaking before Congress in 1957.
The Rothschilds controlled the entire banking system of Europe, and gained control of The Bank Of England in 1814. His family was the real driving force behind the Federal Reserve.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws." Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the House of Rothschild.
More recently, Richard McKenna, former President of Midlands Bank of England said, âThose that create and issue the money and credit direct the policies of government and hold in their hands the destiny of the people.â
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and money system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." Henry Ford, founder of the Ford Motor Company.
"The death of Lincoln was a disaster for the western world. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots, and the bankers went anew to grab the riches. I fear that foreign bankers with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America and use it to systematically corrupt civilisation." Otto von Bismark (1815-1898), German Chancellor, after the Lincoln assassination.
"The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever-close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately-owned Federal Reserve Bank." Curtis Dall, FDR's son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law
"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." - General Douglas Macarthur
"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - President Woodrow Wilson
President Woodrow Wilson in 1916: "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." (President Woodrow Wilson signed the 1913 Federal Reserve Act).
"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."-- U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House.
"The invisible Money Power is working to control and enslave mankind. It financed Communism, Fascism, Marxism, Zionism, Socialism. All of these are directed to making the United States a member of a World Government ..." - American Mercury magazine 1957.
"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." - Franklin D. Roosevelt
"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." -- British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli in 1844.
"By the time you become the leader of a country, someone else makes all the decisions. You may find you can get away with Virtual Presidents, Virtual Prime Ministers, and Virtual Everything." - Bill Clinton
"The order's working and involvement in America is immense. The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes." - Felix Frankfurter (U.S Supreme Court Justice)
"Fifty men have run America, and that's a high figure." Joseph Kennedy, father of JFK, in the July 26th, 1936 issue of The New York Times.
"Today the path of total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government - a bureaucratic elite." Senator William Jenner, 1954
"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976
"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority." Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20, 1992.
âWe will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." International Banker and CFR member Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, speaking before the United States Senate.
"The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is the American Branch of a society which originated in England ... (and) ... believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule established."-- Professor of History Carroll Quigley, Georgetown University, in his book Tragedy and Hope. (David Rockefeller is Chairman of the CFR and founded the Trilateral Commission in the early 1970s).
"The Council on Foreign Relations is âthe establishment.â Not only does it have influence and power in key decision-making positions at the highest levels of government to apply pressure from above, but it also announces and uses individuals and groups to bring pressure from below, to justify the high-level decisions for converting the U.S. from a sovereign Constitutional Republic into a servile member state of a one-world dictatorship." Former Congressman John Rarick 1971
"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power-- Political, Monetary, Intellectual, and Ecclesiastical."-- U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater from his 1964 book No Apologies
"I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it." Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
The Jewish Tribune of New York, on October 28, 1927, stated; "Masonry is based on Judaism. Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the Masonic Ritual and what is left?" The well known rabbi, Isaac Wise, was emphatic when he concluded: "Freemasonry is a Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end." In Morals and Dogma, authored by the late Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite, Albert Pike, we discover the revelation that the Jewish cabala is the very basis of Masonic practice and ritual.
"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government." -- Henry Kissinger speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992 Bilderbergers meeting. Unbeknownst to Kissinger, his speech was taped by a Swiss delegate to the meeting.
Sept. 23, 1994 â The globalists realize that as more and more people begin to wake up to what's going on, they have only a limited amount of time in which to implement their policies. Speaking at the United Nations Ambassadors' dinner, David Rockefeller remarks: âThis present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for too long.â [Notice that he did not question if world order would come - only whether it would arrive peacefully.] He believes: âWe are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.â
"Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure---one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."--David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405
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