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Nancy Pelosi is Not Going Anywhere

Posted: Nov 5, 2010

What gall this woman has!

Frm the Washington Post 9an opinion piece):

The Tweet from @SpeakerPelosi was simple and to-the-point: "Driven by the urgency of creating jobs & protecting #hcr, #wsr, Social Security & Medicare, I am running for Dem Leader." In short, Speaker Nancy Pelosi isn't going anywhere. She's not giving up her House seat, as other deposed speakers have. And she's not giving up a chance to lead the Democratic Party conference as House minority leader. Brava!

(For the uninitiated #hcr is Twitter shorthand for health care reform, and #wsr is for Wall Street reform.)

I've already extolled her leadership virtues this week. But Gene Robinson does her tenure justice with his column today.

The rest of the article here:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/11/nancy_pelosi_house_minority_le.html

She's losing her job not because she does it poorly but because she does it so well....Obama came to office with a long, ambitious agenda. Pelosi had a big majority to work with in the House, but it was ideologically diverse -- Blue Dogs, progressives, everything in between. Somehow, she managed to deliver.

Now there are some within the Democratic conference who want Pelosi to step away from the leadership altogether. Rep. Heath Shuler (D-N.C.) and Rep. Jim Matheson (D-Utah) are urging a new direction for the conference. I totally get that. Democrats were slaughtered, and now they want her to go away like last year's Hermes scarf. Now that Pelosi has announced her intentions, we'll see whether those seeking a new course have the votes to keep her out of the leadership. Good luck with that, folks. As Chuck Todd just Tweeted, "Pelosi's a good vote-counter, she would NOT have announced if she didn't think she had the votes."

Earlier today, NBC News's Luke Russert laid out a six-point case for why Pelosi should stay on as minority leader. Points five and six are the most persuasive to me.

5. Why should Pelosi be the only

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If the Dems left standing have ANY sense... - sam

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They won't vote her in as minority leader. I kinda hope they do though....sooooo much ammunition for 2012. LOL.

It was fired. - see message

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What part of "your fired" doesn't it understand. I think the country spoke loud and clear. We don't want it around. It needs to go back to wherever it came from and just go away. Live a long and happy life but stay away from any decisions that affect the country. Be with your family and grandkids and enjoy your life, just leave the rest of the country in peace. We suffered enough under its reign.

Most of the democrats that were re-elected said they would not vote for it and I hope they keep their promise. That was one of the reasons they were reelected - because they said they would not vote for it.

Its time to send it a message...your fired, now go back to your home and live a long and happy life. You ruined the country enough with your gestapo tactics. The country spoke loud and clear....go home.

Are you saying "it" instead of "she"? - BTW, it is you're not your NM

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NM

She won her house seat overwhelmingly, so the - district she represents spoke.(sm)

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The only reason she lost the Speaker position was because the Republicans now control the House. It would be a very natural step for her to win the House minority leader.

I should buy some stock in Kleenex since Boehner, the orange man, will most likely CRY through his tenure as Speaker, like some people cry in their beer. Oh, that's right. He likes to drink a lot, too.

Yet another one who does not get it.... - sam

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Do you guys just gather in one place so the DNC can sprinkle you all with pixie dust at the same time?

The majority of the COUNTRY repudiated she and the rest of the uber left soundly. Yes, back when she was running for her seat her district voted her in. Just like districts all over the country voted Democrats OUT. Many districts and states that the Democrats have won handily in the past.

You guys really need a massive reality check. I'm getting worried about you.

Curious - - Why

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do you spend so much time trolling through this board and making hateful remarks? Just look at your responses throughout. The manner is shameful.

Curious....Why - sam

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do you spend so much time trolling this board looking at my responses if they are so "hateful" to you, and ignore that many of the posts I respond to are also "hateful." Yet another example of one-sided view of life.

THAT is shameful, my friend.

The poster is right. - You are very rude.nm

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Sticks and stones..... - sam

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Must have hit a nerve, otherwise you would not all be high-fiving each other on pointing out how rude I am, all the time still ignorning what has happened. I understand you are frustrated. I would be too. But I WOULD be trying to learn from it. Guess it is just easier to call somebody rude than to try to defend or post some good reason for why you think the election went the way it did.

I would rather be rude and aware than pious with my head in the sand.

So, you are making an assumption that - you are only

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thought to be rude because of the way the elections went? I am relatively happy with the way they went, though I had higher hopes for the senate and my state is still blue. To see another conservative with such abhorrent manners is frankly embarrassing.

At any rate, let it be known that my observations of your manners have nothing to do with the elections. Your posts are hateful and inflammatory. There is simply no need to behave in such a manner, and nothing positive to be gained. To say, "if you don't like it, don't read it," is obviously the most civil response that can be anticipated from you.

Look...if you want to be taken seriously as the manners police... - sam

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then you need to go through all the posts, judge the manners (start with the one where the person called the Republicans "pubes" would be a good start) and lecture them on their manners as well.

THEN I might believe that this post is really about manners...

And I don't believe for one second that you are a conservative either. LOL. It is words like abhorrent and frankly embarrassing...same words that have been used to describe Sarah Palin on this board...that make me think you are not quite what you seem.

But that's fine...again...I will be much more inclined to think this post is really about manners and rudeness when I see your lecturing posts appearing under posts other than mine.

Have a good day now!

More assumptions. - If

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you look through the posts you will find that your rude attacks are personal in nature. Calling the Republicans "pubes" is not nice; however, it is directed toward a group. Also, if you can make an accurate observation, you will notice that your posts are inflammatory eliciting somewhat angry replies at times. Perhaps this is your aim. Provocation is always a consideration.

I can see it is a waste of time to point out your short-comings as it appears to be falling upon deaf ears.

Note: Unless there are other posters equally as rude using the moniker of "sam" I have not replied with admonishment to anyone but you.

You are kidding, right? "Pubes" is not "nice..." - sam

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And "pubes" is not inflammatory toward eliciting an angry response? Do you read these before you post them?

As to my moniker...at least I am honest enough to post under the same one and not randomly post the same opinion over and over like I was 10 people instead of one. But...I would never be so presumptuous as to point out your shortcomings or even suggest you have any...nor would I cast aspersions as to your hearing capabilities.

Would not surprise me at all if you are behind most of the nasty posts I am replying to so you can then come and accuse me of being rude when I respond to them. That is just sadddddd.

Speaking - of....

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You did not understand the "pubes" reference. As I said, it is not nice; however, a statement such as this is in reference to a group. This is vastly different than attacking a single poster, calling him/her names, saying you are worried about him/her, and making condescending, nasty remarks to him/her because of his/her viewpoint.

It's too late isn't it? Well, I did try. Will just have to start submitting.

Here's what you do first.... - sam

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I did not attack anyone. And I did not react to the "pubes" comment either. Go back and look. Not worthy my time, because it is idiotic in the face of it to say anything so junior highish.

Second...when someone posts "I this" and "I that" and I respond "you" that is not attacking someone. That is responding to a post. You are not stupid, I know you get that. This is all about deflecting from the truth of this election and trying to make it about ME. I doubt anyone is buying that.

As to condescending, look that up and then go read all of your various posts to me, because I know it is you in all of them. You repeated yourself in a couple so I know this whole thread has just been you.

There have been many nasty remarks directed at me for my opinion, but I notice the marked lack of sympathy that elicits from you. Again, illustrates my point.

Again...I do not want or need your approval. And stalking posts like this only make my resolve stronger. Instead of countering what I say with an opinion as to why YOU think America sent a strong message to Washington, you descend into this kind of deflecting posting.

Which, with all due respect, is exactly the kind of attitude that Americans repudiated in this election. They don't like the tone and my way or the highway attitude that Washington was sending out.

And you are still going down that road, with all due respect. And until folks like you are willing to talk honestly about it instead of running from it and making it all about hating the opposite party and trying to deflect from the real conversation...things are not going to change.

We'll just let - the

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mod be the judge.

Okie dokie. :-) nm - sam

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Just an observation undoubtedly shared by - many. It

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would behoove you to reply in a civil manner if you desire respect of your opinions. If you do not, and/or do not realize that hatefulness gets you nowhere, then I strongly suspect you will continue in the same vein. What a shame.

And you are the spokesperson for the many.... - sam

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It would behoove you, if you are going to hold feet to the fire, to try not to let your bias show so clearly and hold feet to the fire of all posts you consider rude...but oh wait. That would mean you are willing to see both sides of something and present a true unbiased cleaning of this board of "rude" comments.

Where were you, attitude police, when one from your side posted the "pubes" remark? THAT does not seem RUDE to you?
Sorry, but you lose all credibility there.

I do not desire your respect or anyone else's, nor do I need it. I do not need people high-fiving what I post but apparently you do or your posting partners do.

And what this election meant is not my opinion. It is a fact, a fact that you refuse to see, and why I keep trying is beyond me. Perhaps I should stop, because if people continue not to get it, it is going to be that much easier to send Obama packing in 2012.

So by all means, continue. And it would behoove you to try to have a good day and slip down off that high horse you're on. With all civility and respect of course. But I strongly suspect you will ride that horse into the ground.

Again..have a good one!

She/He speaks for me. - nm

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Then sign your post with a moniker so I can... - sam

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determine that you in fact or not she or he. Are you not getting tired of this? lol.

Your post is unintelligible. - nm

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and yet you felt compelled to answer it. lol. - sam

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lol

I was hoping you would clarify it. Never mind. - nm

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Still waiting to hear what your opinion of the midterms was... - sam

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and what you think that means. And waiting...and waiting....

You did not want anything clarified. For someone who is so outraged and indignant you sure want to keep stirring the pot. Wonder why that is?

Care to "clarify" that?

No, YOU don't get it. Whether you like it or not, - there are still Democrats (sm)

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in Congress, and just as Boehner was minority leader when Pelosi was the Speaker, Pelosi is now asking to be the MINORITY leader, same position that Boehner had when the people overwhelmingly voted FOR Obama, who, whether YOU like it or not, is still President of the United States.

Fine. Actually, I was just trying to help you...lol - sam

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Pelosi is a lightning rod. Whether YOU like it or not, there are a lot of Democrats who do not like her either, and a LOT of Democrats voted against Democrats this round. THAT is why you lost so many seats in Congress. Now if I were YOU, I would be trying to figure out why that happened instead of being locked into that old Democrat-Republican fight. All I was saying is that if she gets her face all over the TV again these next 2 years, saying that stupid stuff like we have to pass the bill so we will know what's in it...that doesn't fly with the moderate and conservative members of your OWN party.

Let me try to get this across one more time...I am not a Republican. I have nothing against Democrats if they listen to the people who elected them and not vote straight democratic party when their constituents are saying they do not want it. Polls showed that most of the country did not want the health care bill, but bull necked democrats and a few idiot republicans pushed it on through. Most of those Democrats who did not listen to their constituents are among the ones that lost their seats. Whether YOU like it or not, that was NOT a coincidence!! And if you gave yourself a moment of rational objective thought you would see what these mid terms really meant...that is what I mean by you don't get it...and you obviously don't.

Yes, people did overwhelmingly vote for Obama on his promises of hope and change. Well, it became readily apparent as soon as he got the job, he was not the President for all Americans like he said he was going to be, because even in the face of polls telling him that the MAJORITY of his country did not want that health care bill passed in the form it was in, he lent all his political capital to pushing it through. And he paid for it mightily in the mid-terms. Whether YOU like it or NOT.

Sigh.

If I needed "help," I certainly would NOT ask YOU - to provide it. I'd ask someone who

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treats people with respect so that would NOT be you.

LOL. You know...people in glass houses should not.... - sam

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throw stones. lol.

Instead of a post like that that means nothing other than..well nothing, why not point out what about my post is wrong and why it is wrong. What is YOUR opinion of the election outcome? What do YOU think it means? Do YOU think the majority of Democrats want to run in 2012 with minority leader Pelosi and all her remarks these next two years hanging over their heads?

Do you actually have an opinion or something to do or even care what happens in this country or is it just more important to jump on the bashing bandwagon?

Well, I guess the substance of your post answers that question.

LOL! Your jealousy is screaming loud - and clear. Good luck, Nancy!nm

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Your fear is screaming louder. nm - sam

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Can't say I disagree. I sure have a FEAR of the - Republicans in charge (sm)

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again. It's like having Bush on steroids.

Clam down then...Republicans are not in charge. - sam

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They just have control of the house and can hopefully stop the runaway spending train that Obama is engineering.

If Obama did what he said he was going to do I might be more supportive of him, since I have no political party horse in the race. I hate political parties. I don't think we NEED political parties. But I digress.

I just think when a man is elected, whatever party he is in, that he does what he promises during his campaign and even if that chaps some of his party he listens the the MAJORITY of the people in his country and shows the integrity that a man in that position should have and does what the majority of his country wants. That is what a democracy is. And many of his OWN party did not want that health care bill passed. Yet he rammed it through by telling some of the holdout democrats they needed to vote for it even if it cost them their seats. Well, they did, and it did, and a lot more seats on top of those, and now he has a Republican house. They have no one but themselves to blame for that, because the Republicans could not have pulled off a repudiation like that on their own. It took Democrats, Republicans, and Independents trying to send a message to do that.

And did anyone get that message? He didn't. You didn't. The naysayer posters on this board didn't. And if they don't, he is going to be gone in 2012 just like all those Democratic reps, some senators (in PA no less) and all those governors.

That's just the truth, and people need to get out of that rote party line view of thinking if we are ever to truly bring this country together.

You have made some excellent points - see message

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I've been reading all the messages on the board and figured I'd wait til the end. I responded to a couple that were just utter nonsense, but wanted to respond to you.

Thank you for all your posts. In none of the posts did people ever answer your basic question you kept asking over and over "why do you think Americans sent a strong message to Washington". Nobody ever answered your basic simple question.

I like to refer to what VP Biden said to Obama once. His words were (and I'll quote him) "It's a big f** deal". Those are not my words, since they are Biden's so nobody should have a problem with them.

To me this is what this election has meant:

Since Obama took office his message was not the same as what he campaigned on. When he campaigned he offered candy and spice and everything nice. I really bought it. Since the republicans did not have a strong candidate I was more interested in Obama. I actually believed him. He seemed sincere, was good looking, and I liked the idea of having some young kids back in the white house. He said all the right things, promised all the right things. I was very hopeful. I also liked Biden and had wished he had won the nomination for President (truthfully I had wished Kucinich had won. I've always liked him). I started losing that hope when I actually heard him telling someone that we need to "spread the wealth because it's only fair". Somehow that just really hit something. I thought why do I have to work extra so the democrats can give it to the people who won't work. Then it just started going downhill from there. The person in office now is not the same person that campaigned. I don't know why that happens. It's almost like once a person gets into office they forget about us (the people that voted for them). They start dividing themselves and they serve themselves. And when you say like what Pelosi said to a new incoming democrat "If you were not a millionaire before, you will be one now", just reinforces what people feel. They are there to serve themselves and screw everyone else. Once democrats gained control of everything that is when it got really bad. Republicans were shut out of meetings, closed the door on, memos were thrown in the garbage. Democrats were invited to events and meetings and republicans were not. The democrats forgot that republicans in congress where elected to be there to represent us, but they didn't care. It was all about "me, me, me".

Then they kept spending and printing. We the people (who just happen to be their bosses) told them "No". We told them no on the stimulus plan, we told them no to voting themselves in pay raises, we told them no on the health care bill. We told them no on many occasions. But they didn't listen to us. They held closed door meetings, bribed other people to vote yes to their plans. We had the Louisiana purchase, telling one democrat that abortions would not be funded so he votes yes, and then we find out they never did take it out like they promised. We had people like Bill Clinton going around offering politicians jobs if they would step down and let another person win. They got up and called us stupid. Said we were just a "piece of furniture". THEY called us the "n" word. THEY beat up peaceful protesters, and spit on us. When people said I disagree with this policy they were shot back with "your a racist". When asked why disagreeing with a policy makes them a racist they were then called "violent". The country held rallies all over the place. People of all colors, all political parties, all different backgrounds attended the rallies and town hall meetings and the democrats in office didn't like it so they sent out the memo for the MSNBC news team and other liberals to just start saying people there are violent and racists, when there was no shred of it. Which in turn didn't sit well with the peaceful people who were white, hispanic, asian and African American.

After congress not listening to the people of the country (who are concerned about their lives, their jobs or lack of jobs, a future for their children, how they will pay their bills, etc) we the people had the chance to speak (called the election). The people of the country listened to what the candidates of their areas were saying, and they weighed that against the record of what the people already in office had voted for. So the people finally had it. When the republicans explained their platform, and all they heard was attacks by their opponents on personal issues they said enough. Don't tell me bad things about your opponent, tell me what you are going to do to help us. Democrats could not deliver so they didn't win. So yes, over 60 republicans voted in. Picked up some seats in the senate and took control of the house - yes, I would say "That's a big *** deal".

Right before the election on this board the conservatives and independents were being nailed. Called every name in the book, although I have to say no name was as insulting as recently when someone posted calling us "pubes". Now they lost and they are acting like spoiled children. They refuse to take responsibility for their downfall. Well you know what...this is what you get when you call us stupid, you call us a piece of furniture, you call us a racist when we are not, you call us violent when we are not. You didn't learn your lesson so now you can go home and think about it. You don't care about anyone but yourselves. As long as you win at all costs that's all you care about. Even to the point where you think it's okay if Obama becomes a dictator and stays in office the rest of his life (like Castro or Chavez), just as long as a republican never gets in office. You want MSNBC to stay on the air but you want Fox shut down. You don't like and can't handle people with differences in opinion. This is why you were fired from office.

In summary, this election was historic because it proved that the people of the country have a true voice in who we wish to represent us, and when we speak we speak loud and clear. You do as I tell you or your fired when your tenure is up. The funny thing is I'm reading in articles written in other countries they are happy with the outcome of the election. Even Spiegel International posted an article: Obama comes across as Cold, Arrogant, and Elitist - It was a failure of historic proportions. For other countries to see this is a good thing.

Anyway...I've been reading your posts. You have posted good opinions and insights. Then people are rude to you and you respond back to them and they call you rude? Don't let them get you down. Love your postings and keep posting. People need to learn that if they are going to be rude to you then they should be able to take what they dish out.

On a side note, I only caught the first few seconds of Boehner's interview with Brett Bair (had to work), but I liked what I heard. He seems like a very strong person, deeply humbled by his nomination and sounds like for once in over 2 years we will have someone that will work for the people of the country doing what is right for the country. He knows what will happen in 2 years if he/they don't.

Also I think people need to learn about the political parties. I forget where I read this but reading about who is "really" the makers of the candidates. Who (a group) makes the rules, tells them what to say in speeches, and directs the decisions being made

So keep posting, don't let the bashers get you down.

I started signing with the moniker see message (so that people would read my message and not think I did a one-liner), but I am Evil Republican.

Thanks for this, and you truly did get what the election meant. - sam

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What they can't come to grips with (other than they got their heads handed to them on this midterm) is that some of their own defected, because Republicans and Independents alone could not have pulled off this historic repudiation. And if they persist in this, 2012 will be even worse. Not only will Obama be gone, but even more Democrats will go with him.

When I say they don't get it, that is exactly what I mean. And that is NOT being rude...it is an attempt to get them to open their eyes...it is their country too. Just wish they still believed in democracy more and Obama less.

Have a good night!

Yes I did - I forgot to mention in my post that many democrats and independents voted for the - republicans this time

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Good catch. Good to see the country stands united.

Double high Five to you. Just what I wanted to say - Backwards Typist

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but couldn't find the correct words for some of the things you brought up.

i also wholeheartedly agree with what you stated about sam and I would read sam's posts any time. She/he is well versed on politics and it would be nice if some of the posters wouldn't bash her/him but LISTEN and RESEARCH the points she/he posts. They just might learn something.

If - only

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I agree, he/she has some good points, but ramming them down other's throats the way he/she does reminds me of Obama and his tactics. When the president is talking, it does seems that there is a lack of respect for people who do not agree with him. He comes across as if "you're stupid" is at the forefront of his thinking. I would not be surprised if he blurts it out one day in one way or another....just like sam does routinely.

Unfortunately ... - she ought to

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I am a fan of Nancy Pelosi, but the Republicans ran against her in this election. Guess what they will do in 2012?

She has a big target on her chest, and she has negatives as big as those of Sarah Palin.

If you are a Republican, you probably like Nancy Pelosi about as much as Democrats liked Christine O'Donnell.

Unfortunately, I believe Nancy Pelosi will be a detriment in 2012. That's a shame.

I once said that President Obama was the - sm

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most arrogant person....but I might just have to eat my words. Pelosi is just as clueless and obviously didn't get the message the Amercans sent Nov. 2nd. Her and Obama are peas in a pod. They would rather stick their nose in the air, blame us for not understanding their policies, and pretend like none of this is their fault. If other democrats want any chance at all to win re-election come their time around....they better throw Queen Pelosi under the bus and get her the he!! out of there.

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Nancy Pelosi thinks Hamas is a humanitarian organization. She says that Qatar has informed her of this over and over again. ...

Jan 21, 2010
Wonder why she's backing down now. Maybe she got a talking to from yoy-now-who. Pelosi says House cannot pass Senate's health-care bill without changes By Shailagh Murray and Paul Kane Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, January 21, 2010; 1:10 PM House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday that the Senate will have to amend its version of a health-care reform bill before Democrats in her chamber would be willing to vote for it. Full Story and video here: http://www ...

Sep 07, 2012
Snopes says this is false, but still . . . A noted psychiatrist was a guest speaker at an academic function where Nancy Pelosi happened to appear. Ms Pelosi took the opportunity to schmooze the good doctor a bit and asked him a question with which he was most at ease. 'Would you mind telling me, Doctor,' she asked, 'how you detect a mental deficiency in somebody who appears completely normal?' 'Nothing is easier,' he replied. 'You ask a simple quest ...

Sep 23, 2012
I can just picture it: "Pelosi Fuming Over Romney 'Mute Button' Ad" http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Pelosi-romney-mute-button/2012/09/23/id/457267 ...

Nov 14, 2014
She claims that she doesn't know Gruber, the architect of ObamaScare, and hasn't heard of him. ROFL. ...

Jan 06, 2010
It's a 10 minute video. http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2010/01/05/HP/A/28016/House+Spkr+Pelosi+DCA+Press+Briefing+on+Health+Care.aspx ...

Dec 13, 2010
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Feb 15, 2013
If Democrats in Congress fail to prevent across-the-board spending cuts (AKA ‘the sequester’) their own $174,000 salary gets trimmed too, and Rep. Nancy Pelosi is offended by the notion. “I don’t think we should do it; I think we should respect the work we do,” Pelosi told reporters in the Capitol. “I think it’s necessary for us to have the dignity of the job that we have rewarded.” I’m confident we can work out a compromise so that Mrs. Pelosi and colleagues aren’t su ...

Dec 14, 2014
WASHINGTON – The man who oversaw the controversial CIA interrogation program defended the use of the techniques used on militants -- including waterboarding -- and said members of Congress, including Rep. Nancy Pelosi, were “fully aware” of the methods used. “She never objected to the techniques at all,” Jose Rodriguez, former director of the CIA’s National Clandestine Service, said on "Fox News Sunday." “All of these techniques were appro ...

Jan 22, 2015
She objects to Boehner getting Netti to speak to Congress, since it's against protocol, but when W asked her not to go to Yemen, she went anyway. Tit for tat, I'd say. But why do they have to be so hypocritical about it.? ...

Apr 09, 2015
Jabs at Pelosi latest sign of friction in Dem ranks http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/09/jabs-at-pelosi-latest-sign-friction-in-dem-ranks/ Jabs at Pelosi latest sign of friction in Dem ranks http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/09/jabs-at-pelosi-latest-sign-friction-in-dem-ranks/ ...