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Life in Palestine Imposed by Israel
Posted: Aug 2, 2014
Do any of you realize the HORRIBLE conditions that Palestinians have to live under, as imposed by Israel?
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This is bull. Palestinians are allowed in the Knesset, the - Israeli equivalent of Congress,
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and many Jews and Arabs live in peace and work together. Many Palestinians are afraid to speak out against Hamas because their family will suffer.
I don't have to read anything to know this. I have family in Israel.
They have severely limited the water in - sm
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Palestine, limiting it EVEN MORE in the SUMMER! IN THE SUMMER! Wow! Israel is so kind. NOT!
The Palestinians are fed up with the past and ongoing present treatment they receive from Israel, and most of them now support Hamas because of it.
That's what ISIS is doing to Christians in addition - to destroying their churches. nm
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...who referred to BO as a "real Shakespeare" a couple weeks back. If so, I am still laughing at that. In fact, I have told it to many, many people. It hit my funny bone just right and still does!!! If it was you, I LOVE YOUR SENSE OF HUMOUR!!!!!!!!!!!
It wasn't me, but I remember that, and it was - funny! NM
So what--we were talking about - "civilized" society response
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such as Israel that the U.S. supports more heavily than anyone in the world. So, by extension, the U.S. is condoning starving and denying basic supplies such as water to a population which is pretty clearly not in control of a terrorist group that is fighting "for their benefit."
So ISIS, in another country is doing something, so it is okay to kill Palestinians in Gaza.
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like if we spent ONE-TENTH of the money we give to Israel on our own infrastructure, electrical grids, etc.? Not to mention feeding the people starving in the USA.
You are not getting or accepting the truth here. - sm
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Hamas began this latest terror by firing their rockets into Israel. Israel has a right to defend herself against a terrorist organization, i.e., Hamas. Even Egypt agrees. Hamas doesn't care about the Palestinian people. When are you going to realize the truth?
Just two questions: - sm
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How many rockets did Hamas fire into Israel?
How many rockets actually made it into Israel and weren't blocked by the Iron Dome that we supplied to Israel?
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I can hardly believe that question. You have missed the point. Perhaps you have missed a lot more.
That was a perfectly legitimate question. Israel's - response is too strong for the puny attack.
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It's kind of like burning down your entire town because you found a wasp's nest in your mailbox.
A: Because they are not fired upon at random on a whim by a terrorist organization.
You wonder why the disparity? Bomb shelters for - civilians, Tel Aviv 214,
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Gaza zip. Israeli deaths under 30? Gaza civilian deaths 1500 and counting. I wonder why the disparity = well duhhhh.
Israelis in bomb shelters equals smart people. Gaza in house, parks, beaches & on the streets watching bombs.
Hamas wants Israel dead. The violence will not cease until the objective is fulfilled or extirpated.
Hamas deep concrete bunkers under APARTMENT buildings:
a couple left -used to be a lot but the Israelis are takin
`em out one by one with laser guided 2000 pounder bunker busters
Israelis in bomb shelters equals very LUCKY - sm
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that the USA spends $87 million a DAY to make sure that iron dome works.
Let's take away ALL American money and see just how "strong" and arrogant Israel is.
I'm waiting for Israel to NUKE Palestine, the way they've been acting!
Be careful what you wish for, as Iran has or is - very close to having a nuclear
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weapon and they are the #1 sponsor of terrorism in the world.
Al Gore never would have invented the internet if he had known how inconvenient it would make it for people to actually have alternative news media outlets and not MSM.
Well, then they will be on the same par with - sm
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Israel, except Iran doesn't have one at this time and Israel DOES.
There is no proof of your assumption. - Geez, get real.
If I were the leader of Iran, I certainly would - sm
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want to protect myself from Israel's nukes, especially with Israel's hair-trigger temper tantrums, their disproportionate response in war, their desire to obliterate the entirety of Palestine and their history of stealing land from and occupying Palestine.
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In a probable futile attempt to educate you both, please see below:
"The truth about Israel's secret nuclear arsenal"
Israel has been stealing nuclear secrets and covertly making bombs since the 1950s. And western governments, including Britain and the US, turn a blind eye. But how can we expect Iran to curb its nuclear ambitions if the Israelis won't come clean?
Deep beneath desert sands, an embattled Middle Eastern state has built a covert nuclear bomb, using technology and materials provided by friendly powers or stolen by a clandestine network of agents. It is the stuff of pulp thrillers and the sort of narrative often used to characterise the worst fears about the Iranian nuclear programme. In reality, though, neither US nor British intelligence
believe Tehran has decided to build a bomb, and Iran's atomic projects are under constant international monitoring.
The exotic tale of the bomb hidden in the desert is a true story, though. It's just one that applies to another country. In an extraordinary feat of subterfuge, Israel managed to assemble an entire
underground nuclear arsenal �� now estimated at 80 warheads, on a par with India and Pakistan �� and even tested a bomb nearly half a century ago, with a minimum of international outcry or even much public awareness of what it was doing.
Despite the fact that the Israel's nuclear programme has been an open secret since a disgruntled technician, Mordechai Vanunu, blew the whistle on it in 1986, the official Israeli position is still
never to confirm or deny its existence.
When the former speaker of the Knesset, Avraham Burg, broke the taboo last month, declaring Israeli possession of both nuclear and chemical weapons and describing the official non-disclosure policy as "outdated and childish" a rightwing group formally called for a police investigation for treason.
Meanwhile, western governments have played along with the policy of "opacity" by avoiding all mention of the issue. In 2009, when a veteran Washington reporter, Helen Thomas, asked Barack Obama in the first month of his presidency if he knew of any country in the Middle East with nuclear weapons, he dodged the trapdoor by saying only that he did not wish to "speculate".
UK governments have generally followed suit. Asked in the House of Lords in November about Israeli nuclear weapons, Baroness Warsi answered tangentially. "Israel has not declared a nuclear weapons programme. We have regular discussions with the government of Israel on a range of nuclear-related issues," the minister said. "The government of Israel is in no doubt as to our views. We encourage Israel to become a state party to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty
[NPT]."
But through the cracks in this stone wall, more and more details continue to emerge of how Israel built its nuclear weapons from smuggled parts and pilfered technology.
The tale serves as a historical counterpoint to today's drawn-out struggle over Iran's nuclear ambitions. The parallels are not exact �� Israel, unlike Iran, never signed up to the 1968 NPT so could not violate it. But it almost certainly broke a treaty banning nuclear tests, as well as countless national and international laws restricting the traffic in nuclear materials and technology.
The list of nations that secretly sold Israel the material and expertise to make nuclear warheads, or who turned a blind eye to its theft, include today's staunchest campaigners against
proliferation: the US, France, Germany, Britain and even Norway.
Meanwhile, Israeli agents charged with buying fissile material and state-of-the-art technology found their way into some of the most sensitive industrial establishments in the world. This daring and remarkably successful spy ring, known as Lakam, the Hebrew acronym for the innocuous-sounding Science Liaison Bureau, included such colourful figures as Arnon Milchan, a billionaire Hollywood producer behind such hits as Pretty Woman, LA Confidential and 12 Years a Slave, who finally admitted his role last month.
"Do you know what it's like to be a twentysomething-year-old kid [and] his country lets him be James Bond? Wow! The action! That was exciting," he said in an Israeli documentary.
Milchan's life story is colourful, and unlikely enough to be the subject of one of the blockbusters he bankrolls. In the documentary, Robert de Niro recalls discussing Milchan's role in the illicit
purchase of nuclear-warhead triggers. "At some point I was asking something about that, being friends, but not in an accusatory way. I just wanted to know," De Niro says. "And he said: yeah I did that. Israel's my country."
Milchan was not shy about using Hollywood connections to help his shadowy second career. At one point, he admits in the documentary, he used the lure of a visit to actor Richard Dreyfuss's home to get a top US nuclear scientist, Arthur Biehl, to join the board of one of his companies.
According to Milchan's biography, by Israeli journalists Meir Doron and Joseph Gelman, he was recruited in 1965 by Israel's current president, Shimon Peres, who he met in a Tel Aviv nightclub
(called Mandy's, named after the hostess and owner's wife Mandy Rice-Davies, freshly notorious for her role in the Profumo sex scandal). Milchan, who then ran the family fertiliser company, never looked back, playing a central role in Israel's clandestine acquisition programme.
He was responsible for securing vital uranium-enrichment technology, photographing centrifuge blueprints that a German executive had been bribed into temporarily "mislaying" in his kitchen.
Balance of article (with photos) continued at link below.
I'm glad you wrote what you did because the link wouldn't work for me. - A person to whom you responded.
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I think I'm having computer issues. I tried to link it 3 times. Anyway, I hope Israel does have a bomb in addition to nuclear power. I knew their position was always never to confirm or deny. That is why I would never assume that to mean they had nuclear weapons. It remains unanswered in my view. Until it is acknowledged by them and other governments, I stand by my statement that there is no proof, yet.
I didn't write it. I copy and pasted it. - sm
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I just tried it, and the link worked immediately for me, so maybe you do have computer issues.
It was "acknowledged" by the article I posted.
Anyway, this is an old story. People have known that Israel has nukes for years!
But...whatever helps you to sleep at night.
so what if they did block the rockets - nana7
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Hamas has made it well known they want to blow Israel off the face of the earth and they don't have the right to protect themselves. Do you honsestly believe they will stop there? They hate America also. You know they are already here just waiting for them to gain strength and then that war will be here. We, as a country, and our government need to back Israel because they are a democratic country. That is what Hamas is trying to destroy. You should watch the interview with the son of one of the founders of Hamas last night. He said Hamas was built on hate and nothing more. Hate for anyone different than their beliefs. Is that what you want for our country. To be told what to believe and live in fear and be killed if you don't believe their belief.
This may be on the other side of the world right now but it is all over, in Syria, Israel. If our president does nothing but talk democracy all over the world is at risk. He is by far the weakest president I have ever seen. I am even starting to wonder if he is not laying down the ground work for Hamas himself to infiltrate into this country and cause havoc.
The video of the son is posted above and here. - Link inside here.
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I never re-posted a link within MTStars before. I hope it works.
Misinformed if that is your whole truth - see msg
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http://aattp.org/shocking-what-this-reporter-jon-snow-found-in-a-hospital-in-gaza-will-never-be-seen-in-american-media/
Excerpt from above link
Yes, Hamas is a terrorist organization. But — unlike Israel — Hamas is not a democratically elected government, and does not represent the people of Palestine. As a home to persecuted Jewish people from around the world, and an ally of the United States, the world should hold Israel to higher standards.
And for those who claim those who sympathize with the people of Palestine are antisemitic Israel-haters who conveniently ignore the fact that Hamas is a terrorist organization, read this article by Omar Baddar from Salon: “Debunking the myths about Gaza: The truth behind Israeli and Palestinian talking points.”
Or, if you’re short on time, here’s a summary:
Israel claimed they escalated the conflict because three Israeli teens were kidnapped and killed on the West bank. But Israel’s supporters conveniently ignore the fact that they killed a Palestinian man and 10-year-old child with an air strike the day before. Oh, and then there was that incident a few weeks before where Israeli soldiers murdered a group of unarmed teenagers — and got caught on video while doing it.
Oh, and what about Israel’s system of de-facto apartheid, and all those illegal Israeli settlements that that blatantly violate international law, not that the United Nation will actually do anything about it. And that recording with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu talking about manipulating the U.S. and deliberately scuttling peace process mandated by the Oslo Accords.
When I see words like "apartheid' my spidey senses - go up. You need some context,
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word to the people of Gaza - next time choose a better representative if you don’t want to get bombed.
"Apartheid" is the best description there is! - nm
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Typed in simple words for simple minds (not necessarily yours). See the post above this one. My "spidey senses" go up as well. I'm sick of the liberal twist and spin. No liberal these days has any credibility left!!! I have no idea why the Democrat party was hijacked like this. It's a real shame.
Feel absolutely the same about the Republican - party - interesting dilemma
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and to boot, the Republican party is perhaps irretrievably fractured, making things even more difficult.
BTW -
Definition of apartheid (n)
Bing Dictionary
a·part·heid
[ ə páart h̄̀t ]
segregated political system: a political system in South Africa from 1948 to the early 1990s that separated the different peoples living there and gave privileges to those of European origin.
Spidey senses??
You would be a good debater. - The person to whom you responded.
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You appear to be intelligent and very quick on your feet. I wonder why you are on an MT board. Are you an MT? If so, maybe you missed your calling. You would probably be an asset to a liberal news media outlet. I say this with all sincerity. That's about all I can say that is positive right now. I'm tired of this immature back and forth oneupsmanship. Go at it with someone else. I'm signing off for now.
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Why didn't you answer the question? I think the OP was being nice to you.
I am the person to whom the Debater - comment was made
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and I haven't replied at all. That was someone else with the "backhandedly insulted" comment.
I guess the answer to the question is--I've been in this for 30 years. It was good money and I was/am good at it. It has been good for raising a family. I still have young children. (late bloomer) And I did not take advantage of some other opportunities, perhaps.
I didn't answer the question because it wasn't - sm
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addressed to me. I am a completely different poster.
So much for assumptions!
It would have been nice... - sm
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...if you had identified yourself as such. So much for assumptions, you're right.
No, it's fun watching you guys do this all the time. - sm
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You think you know everything, right down to the "style" of someone's writing. And your false assumptions make you look like fools!
LOL!
And now Benjamin Natanyahoooo - sm
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is "urging" the international world to REBUILD Gaza!
Yes, Israel, you annihilate Gaza and want someone ELSE to fix what YOU broke. Who knows? If the "fix" meets with Israeli standards, maybe they'll steal Gaza, too!
Do you do ANY research? ... or just spout off? - Wake up!
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Hamas is responsible for the destruction of Gaza!!!!.... Israel's goal is to destroy the tunnels used in Gaza and destroy Hamas, a terrorist group who uses their OWN people as human shields then blames Israel. Really now, we will probably lose Israel, one of our only loyal allies, for the total ignorance of President Obama and his comments... I see you choose to listen to ignorance rather than facts!! This is just another reason the USA is no longer respected in the world... pitiful.
I didn'T HAVE to do any research. I heard - sm
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him say it himself on TV yesterday, though he WASN'T speaking English.
Yeah, that's the ticket: The English-speaking INTERPRETER was wrong!
I guessed you missed it the first time I posted it, but HE WASN'T SPEAKING IN ENGLISH. There was an interpreter who translated his words.
Google it, if you wish.
Well, I started studying this subject about 1986 - by reading the U.N. Mandate
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and history of the origins of the situation, including the Zionist lobby in the U.S.
It is a fascinating study in political science and history; however, it does make for different conclusions to recent events than what might meet the eye with current news coverage. So, "realizing your truth" is not as easy for me as for some, perhaps.
The UN has become a perfect organization for protecting - dictators and thugs.
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I mean, look at the headline of the link, UN Blasts Israel for Not Sharing the Iron Dome with Hamas. I mean, how stupid is that?
If I didn't know better I would think it is satire, but it's not.
As the right becomes more "right" the UN - appears more "left"
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The U.N. had widespread acceptance at the time of the mandate. That was then, this is now.
What this U.N. Human Rights Commissioner might be referring to is a strict law interpretation - If Israel claims Gaza as their own, then the Gazans are due the same protection as Israelis. If Israel recognized Gaza as the Palestinian State and thus their own country then they would not owe them protection? I think the below link is interesting also.
The UN didn't used to have so many antisemitic - members. Jews were welcome
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in more countries in 1939 than they are today.
They were perhaps a more sympathetic - group then. In their
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representation as Israel they are much more powerful and able to make unilateral moves. Also, the U.S. unconditionally backing them has caused a great deal of animosity.
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Gazans need to kick Hamas out! That is the only way to have peace. How can anyone negotiate with terrorists and expect a favorable outcome? Terrorists are NEVER to be trusted.
Read link in As Right becomes more right - then tell me how simple that is
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Should they band together and take over Hamas (virtually impossible). They can back Abbas who doesn't have much strength. It seems the gist of this is that a return to the former locked down Gaza strip is not acceptable either. I don't think the average Palestinian "supports" Hamas, but they don't have the strength to defy them, nor are they certain things will be any better if they do.
Well, if we fund the Iron Dome for Israel, - sm
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we should do the same thing for Palestine!
That will certainly stop SOME of the violence.
Instead, we're paying even more (right now) to spruce up Israel's Iron Dome.
But Israel has literally mowed down EVERYTHING -- homes, killed thousands of civilians, and Israel's loss is under 100 people. It's certainly NOT proportional, and Israel comes out looking like the bully they are!
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