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John Edwards

Posted: Mar 4, 2011

Do you think John Edwards will be indicted?

This guy could have been our VP?! From Democrat Darling to a national disgrace. Nice piece of work they picked.

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They didn't elect him. Nice political slam though - nm

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So, you don't think he should be indicted if it's proven - Backwards Typist

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he used campaign funds to keep Riele's "lifestyle"?

It's not a political slam. It's been a major deal since it first came out.

Now the feds are pretty convinced he may have broken the law and it's all over the news again.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/abc11_investigates&id=7990480

That is not what she said. She takes issue with - Nice piece of work they picked. sm

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In other words, the hyperbolic over-reaching inaccurate snipe.

Let us get one thing straight. If John Edwards has IN FACT guilty of (as opposed to being suspected of) breaking the law, then it will be up to the courts as to whether or not he indicted, which is as it should be. Should that be the case, then YES, by all means, he should be indicted.

Now, I would like to know if you are equally as concerned about the developing story regarding legal concerns (voiced BY HIS OWN ATTORNEYS) surrounding Newt Gingrich? If I were one of his supporters, I would think long and hard before sending my hard-earned bucks to support his explorations. His record on misuse of all sorts of funds, including taxpayer money, makes me feel we are about to witness a crime in progress.

Legal Concerns Clouded Newt Gingrich Event
By Jeanne Cummings

Newt Gingrich's aborted presidential campaign announcement was prompted by concerns from his legal team that he had not fully divested from his various outside income streams to clear the way for his candidacy, sources told POLITICO.

Among the issues on the table: Gingrich's contract with Fox News, which the network on Wednesday abruptly announced would be suspended for 60 days.

The former House speaker's complex financing network, however, raised both big and small legal questions.

For instance, some campaign finance experts said GingrichÃ¢ï¿½ï¿½s mode of transportation to the Georgia meetings at which he was expected to make his announcement on Thursday could have raised thorny legal questions.

If he was flying in a corporate jet, the transportation costs would have been considered an in-kind contribution to a campaign that didn't yet exist.

If the plane was paid for by Gingrich's think-tank, American Solutions for Winning the Future, which was the official sponsor of the Georgia event and is considered a charity under tax law, the costs could violate Internal Revenue Service regulations.

Gingrich's allies said the former House speaker still intends to run and that he will make the announcement when all of the legal issues have been resolved.

However, the messy start to his presidential launch could dog him in the coming weeks since his presidential intentions are now apparent.

"If he utters a word now that smacks of being a presidential candidate, he's got a problem," said one campaign finance attorney.

Campaign finance regulations allow prospective candidates to raise money to cover the costs of "testing the waters," which include lining up early support and raising enough money to pay for travel related to making an assessment of the potential strength of a candidacy.

However, candidates operating in that gray area can't openly advocate for their election.

Reporters gearing up to cover Gingrich's Georgia appearance were led to believe that in addition to the announcement of an exploratory committee, the former congressman would also receive his first endorsement from newly-elected Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal.

"It ain't complicated stuff," said one attorney. "Once you start an exploratory committee, you can't be taking corporate jets or doing Fox News."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/50520.html

political slam - icedT

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Political slam?

The fact is that he was the Dem nominee for VP in 2004 and ran as a candidate for the presidential nomination in 2004 and 2008. Since he didn't win, does that mean you only hold the winners to a higher standard?

If the story was about Romney (candidate for a presidential nomination who lost) or Palin (VP nominee who lost), are you telling me that it wouldn't be a big deal?

Just imagine if the story was about Palin having an affair and a baby out of wedlock and allegedly misappropriating campaign funds with a possible indictment coming down soon. Would it be a political slam when the voters talk about it? Not likely. The leftists would be euphoric and absolutely unrelenting.

Sorry, it works both ways. Well, it's supposed to work both ways, but conservatives are held to a higher standard.

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

Quoting Alinsky again I see. - You are so silly.

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I guess you just cannot help yourself.

I think an appropriate response would be that it only becomes a big deal (at least as big as you ae trying to make it) AFTER he is indicted and/or found guilty. The investigation is winding down and the results will be in soon. In the meantime, try to contain your glee.

BTW, how would you answer that question of national disgrace becoming party pick? Just curious.

party pick - icedT

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I'm not sure why you insist on making this a Newt-bashing thread. I didn't realize he announced he's running. Where did you hear that? Not to worry, though. There will be plenty of time for you to try and destroy Newt if he does announce he is going to run. I won't waste my time on the DailyKos talking points, but in the meantime, you can contain YOUR glee until he's a candidate, K?

He is too slick to announce. He is too busy bypassing - campaign finance scrutiny. sm

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Have your fogotten CPAC? Just in case you have, see link below. It brings up some nice colored glossy 8 x 10s of their picks. Of the 3, Newt is the only one brave enough even come close to testing those waters.

Look, if he can explore the possibility, so can I. Its a free country where free speech is protected. If Westboro can compound pain and grief in the middle of a family funeral of a fallen soldier, I can post a few well established facts about the Newster, can't I? BTW, He can self destruct all on his lonesome. He needs no help from me.

I have no glee to contain, but I do find it satisfying to introduce irrefutable evidence of GOP hypocrisy when it rears its ugly head and expects to go unchallenged. You are smart though not to waste your time trying to defend the indefensible, but if it were me, I sure would be asking myself, is this the best we can do? For all that bravado about 2012, you do realize you will have to come up with a candidate first, right? After all, time flies and you only have 613 days to find one in that great big pool of folks we see running in the opposite direction and declaring how undefeatable Obama is.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/02/10/2011-02-10_cpac_straw_poll_lists_gop_2012_presidential_nominees_including_palin_romney_ging.html

Honestly, no matter who the Repubs run .... - that person will look

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good up against Obama. WOuld not be surprised if Obama chooses not to run for re-election (at the strong behest of we all know who...lol). That will be interesting!!!!

Uh huh. That would explain why no one has had the nerve - to step up so far

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except for the Unelectable One.

They probably don't want to be the left's - cannon fodder until they

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until absolutely necessary...who can blamne them? Your whole family becomes fair game, even the kids. Who wants to open themselves up to that until they absolutely have to?

You mean like O is on a minute to minute basis? - No escaping it.

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They need to take their grown-up pills and get on with it.

O is an adult. No one is going after HIS children. - even HE said that was off limits.

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You really think it should be open season on kids? REALLY???

Agreed... enough with the Newt bashing - no1joe

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The fact that some people have been jumping through hoops to point out perceived hypocrisy on this board as of late when it suits their needs... making this post more than relevant even though the tables are turned... is besides the point. It seems that these posts have prompted the advertisers to place a key-word banner ad for "Free Newt," where you can sign up for free weekly e-mails from Newt... the thought of which made me dry heave a little. Please be considerate of others in the future. TIA.

Really... some things are just NOT desirable even if you put the word "Free" in front of it.

LOL. I get your drift, - sm

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though I suspect the divine sublime contained therein will fly right past those who will fall all over themselves thanking your for your support. No need to TIA. I just cant help myself, so forgive me if choose not to accomodate your gracious request. Maybe I could come up with a code name to use to bypass the hash tags. Hmmm, let's see here....

Bill Clinton/national disgrace - Thatsmyfinalanswer

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Bill Clinton is not collecting money and threatening to run for Prez. - BTDT and has now moved on

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to become one of the most respected former Presidents ever. Some people just cant stand it that people all over the world ADORE him and respect the wonderful work he continues to do. Now, Newt, on the other hand....

we get it - sm

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you don't like Newt. Are you going to throw a dig to him on every single post until election day? It's getting old already, and he hasn't officially announced he is running.

And Bill Clinton, yeah, there's a pres who every child should look up to *cough/gag*. "Mommy, what's with the cigar and why did he lie?" Now there's a classy Democrat.

Guess they didnt get the memo. - sm

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For such a slimeball, he sure has received a bunch of honors. My faves are the ones bestowed on behalf of children. I know it's a bitter pill to swallow, but folks just seem to ADORE Bill Clinton.

Honorary Doctorate of Laws from Tulane
Honorary Doctorate of Laws from University of Michigan
Honorary doctorate of Laws from University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Honorary Doctorate of Laws from the University of Hong Kong
Honorary Doctorate of Humane Letters from Mount Sinai School of Medicine
Three schools named after him
Honored with statue in Kosovo Square, among other places.
Various honors in the Czech Republic, New Guinea, and Germany.
U.S. states where he has been honored include Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky and New York
1993 Time magazine's Man of the Year in 1993 and 1998.
From a poll conducted of the American people in December 1999, Clinton was among eighteen included in Gallup's List of WIDELY ADMIRED People of the 20th century.
In 2004, he received a Grammy Award for Best Spoken Word Album for Children for narrating the Russian National Orchestra\'s album Wolf Tracks and Peter and the Wolf (along with Mikhail Gorbachev and Sophia Loren)
In 2005 he received the Grammy Award for Best Spoken Word Album for My Life.
In 2005, he received the J. William Fulbright Prize for International Understanding.
In 2007 TED Prize (named for the confluence of technology, entertainment and design)
On June 2, 2007, Clinton, along with former president George H.W. Bush, received the International Freedom Conductor Award, for their help with the fund raising following the tsunami that devastated South Asia in 2004.
On June 13, 2007, Clinton was honored by the Global Business Coalition on HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria alongside eight multinational-companies for his work to defeat HIV/AIDS.
On September 9, 2008, Bill Clinton was named as the next chairman of the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. His term began January 1, 2009, and he succeeded former President George H. W. Bush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton#cite_note-180

Wiki is your good friend, but don't assume it's 100% factual/nm - anon

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nm/

Umm, take a peek at the 32 references to articles backing up - each entry on the list.

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There are so many, I dont have time to list them all.

And the left has rule #12 down to a fine art. - nm

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nm

Dragging out that failed 2007 campaign rhetoric again? - sm

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I for one would love to see more and more of that come crawling out of the woodwork, more candidates like Newt and 100 more agenda trailblazers like Scott Walker. Yes indeed.

Perhaps those who are no longer apathetic - will listen...one can only

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hope. You can say rhetoric if you want; all anyone has to do is read it and apply to the left's tactics. Deny it all you like....we have learned long sense that what you say is rarely what you DO, and what you DO you don't like to have exposed. Too late for that.

How about going from national disgrace to party pick? - Newt The Cryptic One is accepting money

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(as much as he can lay his hands on) without the scrutiny of campaign finance disclosure rules as he establishes an exciting new website to explore his options. To run or not to run? That is the question.

This despite the fact that he is the only Speaker of the House in the history of the county to be disciplined for ethic violations. Then there was that nasty internal party power struggle between Newt and John Boehner, Dick Armey, Bill Paxton and Tom DeLay (a convicted felon out on bail, appealing his case after being sentenced to 3 years plus 10 years probation after being found guilty of money laudering and consipiracy). Those four hatched a coup, the plan being to issue Newt an ultimatum to resign versus facing a vote for his ouster. The only thing that saved him from this fate is when Armey defected (once he learned HE would not be the new speaker) and told Newt about the plan. He resigned after GOP 1998 election losses, stating he was leaving the House because he feared he his magnificence would overshadow his replacement as speaker. This added gigantic ego to polarizing figure to his in the accomplishments section of his resume.

He wrote 22 rubber checks during the House Banking scandal around 1992 if memory serves. He kept changing his story during that murky Murdoch book scandal in 1995, as opposed to an earlier book scandal in 1984. Ever hear of GOPOAC? Redirecting tax-subsidized funds for his own personal political gain, such as charity monies intended for poor inner city children? The college course he taught entitled Renewing American Civilization and what he REALLY did during that class time?

Then there is that disastrous marriage record. His first marriage was to his high school geometry teacher. Some speculate that this was one of a number of successful maneuvers he use to dodge the Viet Nam draft (he never served in the military). They had 2 kids. He left her after having an affair with Mariane Ginther. He visited her while she was in the hospital recovering from cancer surgery to hammer out the details of the divorce and gt her signature. What a guy, what a guy. (Trying to catch my breath). After their divorce, his first wife had to take him to court to get him pay up. Her utilities were about to be cut off.

While married to Ginther, in an act of highest hypocrisy, he had an affair with a House of Representatives staffer 23 years younger, smack dab in the middle of the Lewinsky scandal, all the while denouncing the behavior and taking the higher road of self-righteousness. Ultimately, he divorced his wife and married the staffer, Callista Bisek, who would become our First Lady, should he be elected, assuming that he does not have another affair, get someone pregnant on the side or WHATEVER.

http://www.realchange.org/gingrich.htm#draft

and so it begins, the destruction of a possible conservative candidate/nm - let the games begin-613 days and counting

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/nm

I agree. I would only add - Make that self destruction. sm

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You dont hold much of an affinity for cold hard historical facts, do you? He threw his baggage in the ring along with his hat. Boy oh boy, does he have a heavy load or what?

He could choose Rush Limbaugh for his running - mate but they'd (sm)

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need a bigger ring for the luggage.

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