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Illegals - another red herring, politically


Posted: Mar 13, 2011

If the govt really wanted them out, they would be gone. If corporations/individuals want to cut costs where they can, what better way than to employ off-the-books workers to clean, for factory work, packing, slaughterhouse work, farm work, landscaping, restaurant work, house-cleaning. It's just like a tax break!

Not only that, and the real reason no one is rushing them out the door, a stunning two-thirds of illegal immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes. Yet, politicians have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation's hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don't pay for. I've worked in hospital billing and saw firsthand who was not paying their balances off, and they weren't illegals and poor people.

In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified illegal immigrants from nearly all means-tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization. The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education. I know I have never transcribed a report for an illegal, even working for Montefiore, Albert Einstein, Cabrini in the Bronx, and Hackensack Medical Ctr in NJ - all inner city hospitals.

What's more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks. Since it is the undocumented workers who  have only fake numbers, they'll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the "earnings suspense file" — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus. The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year. Ask your congress critters about that file when they tell you your Soc Sec has run out.

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I know that businesses can save lots of money hiring illegal aliens - Mixed Emotions On That One

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I see it happening every day. The people are likable and I have to wish them well. At the same time, we just can't keep giving our jobs away or America will be a ghost town, uh, country.

Many companies in rural parts don't have - the population to

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support staffing their operations. We live near "the onion fields" and they hire migrant workers and house them in dorms, and move them seasonally. Where they are hydrofracking in Pennsylvania, they (oil companies) bus in illegals - again, not enough people in the area to do the jobs or want to. Landscapers used to hire college kids around here, they no longer can get them to do the work. Same with car washes and a host of other businesses.

There's plenty of people in PA to do the jobs and want those jobs - Backwards Typist

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The fracking people are being brought in by the companies from other states to get everything going while the companies have set up teaching/training of PA residents for the job duties. There are workers all over PA going to those sites for a job.

I'd love to know where you got your info that they're busing in illegals and how do you know they're illegals? I'm asking a serious question here.

Where I live, college kids work at fast food places, retail stores, restaurants, as do high school students. Car washes hire high school students. It's not that that landscapers can no longer get them to do the work. It's because of the wages and the sporadic work. At least working at a brick and mortar place, they will work when it rains, snows, or during cold weather. Landscaping doesn't do the above.
I lived in Dingman's Ferry area last year and - asked when I saw it
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happening.

Where I am now, very few of the jobs you mention have high school and college kids working them. The landscaping biz here is year round (NYC area)with just a short break in Feb.
Re. landscapers - The illegals are not
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pulling wages down. The owners pocket the difference. This set-up has not changed since Upton Sinclair wrote The Jungle.
Right, it is the owners that are pushing the wages down - by hiring illegals.
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Ever notice that illegal aliens are not unionized? - Both bringing the wages down

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Another ploy to keep the wages down for US citizens?

If they are working in a union shop in a state - without a right to work

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law they are. Are unions checking for "legality" when they sign on new members?

Employers responsibility to check I-9 - Check with Lou Dobbs-nm

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