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Illegal aliens said to get tax rebates.
Posted: Feb 14, 2015
What Constitution?
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Whose country is this? - anonie
[ In Reply To ..]This makes me absolutely sick. They can also retroactively get it too.
They get free everything and now tax refunds. Think of the people who can scarcely get by now or poor people on the streets. Then these people break our laws and get the whole ball of wax, everything their little hearts desire. Then to top this, they can bring their relatives here.
Honestly, just whose country is this and why can't we get rid of Mr. O. He has broken more of the constitution than anyone could imagine, yet he is still in the WH.
Congress sits by and lets him get by with it. If you ask me, they need to pass a law that curtails any of the executive orders except in the interest of national defense.
I am so upset about this. I know most Americans are ready for these fold to go back home. Mr. O has just opened the door to anyone wanting to come here. Just think of how many of these are hardened criminals, terrorists, etc. Our country is less safe because of it yet give them everything. Oh, yes do that.
I just heard about this this morning - I agree - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Nauseous is not even close. When I heard this I literally thought I was going to be sick. How is that even possible. In order for Americans to get any money from it you have had to pay into it and paid more than you should have, but now a person who has never paid into the system can get money from that system. How much are they going to get. What we get in refunds is determined by how much we over paid. So if they pay nothing, how are they going to get a refund. A refund means you paid too much. If they didn't pay anything then they didn't pay too much, therefore how can they get back what they never paid. That is totally mental. It goes beyond feelings of nausea.
I am one of the poor people. I used to be middle income until the democrats took over. Now I am part of the working poor. Always happens with them.
I still keep praying things turn around and sanity comes back.
About 1/4 million immigrants losing - Obamacare for failure
[ In Reply To ..]to produce documentation proving citizenship or immigration status.
It is not going to be a perfect system until we institute gestapo tactics and print numbers on each citizen's arm and require immediate production of said arm to anyone in authority. I mean, do you really know your neighbor?
Should never had had it in the first place - THEY ARE ILLEGAL AND DESERVE NOTHING
[ In Reply To ..]Sick of carrying every single illegal on my back, working 3 jobs and still not making what I did before crackhead Obama's regime started in 01/2009. I CANNOT afford obama-scare; and now I have to pay for those here illegally. SICK OF THE WHOLE DAMN OBAMA CROOKED POLITICAL MACHINE!!
Not actually a new issue, though the numbers - have grown insanely since 2005. sm
[ In Reply To ..]FWIW, I am a democrat who totally disagrees with giving illegal immigrants benefits. As for the OP's post, at least valid Social Security cards are being required now. That was not always the case, according to a 2012 Fact Checker article. Here is an excerpt:
"But in addition to collecting taxes, the IRS has increasingly been making payments to low-income workers who pay no federal income tax but qualify for “refundable” credits. Generally, illegal immigrants don’t qualify for Social Security, Medicare or other federal benefits, except for emergency medical treatment in hospitals. And since passage of the 1996 welfare reform law, they have been ineligible for the refundable portion of the Earned Income Tax Credit as well.
At that time, Congress required that a valid Social Security number be filed for those claiming the EITC, and that requirement saved an estimated $300 million a year. But Congress did not enact a similar requirement when it created the child tax credit, which went into effect in tax year 1998 at $400 per child, and was increased to $500 the following year.
Initially the credit wasn’t refundable in most cases (only for families who had three or more children and who also met certain income tests). So the issue of illegal workers claiming credits did not arise at first. But the 2001 Bush tax cuts made more parents eligible for refundable credits, and increased the amount in steps to $1,000 per child.
So by 2005, the recent IG report said, 796,000 persons without valid Social Security numbers claimed refundable child credits totaling $924 million, and in 2008, these claims had risen to 1,526,276 persons claiming $2.1 billion in refunds.
Finally, President Obama’s 2009 stimulus measure made temporary changes that had the effect of allowing more parents to claim the refundable credits, or claim greater amounts. And the total grew the following year to the $4.2 billion cited by the IG. Those “temporary” changes now have been extended at least through 2012 by the bill Obama signed in December 2010, which also extended the Bush tax cuts and enacted additional economic stimulus measures including a reduction in federal payroll taxes.
Didn't read your entire post, but - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Now that the illegal aliens have SSNs and driving licenses, they can also register to vote. But it's not legal, you say. Who cares, I say? They get anything they want anyway. And they'll do it because they have no respect for the law. Neither does the president.
No, you have to have proof of US citizenship in order - to register to vote. nm
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Yes, that's the law, but NOT the reality. - SM
[ In Reply To ..]It has been said many times on this board and I'm not going to repeat it here, but there are already illegal aliens voting in American elections. This free ride that the illegals is being given will just enable more voter fraud as well as fraud in every other facet of the government where there are entitlement programs just ripe for the picking.
In order to register to vote, you have to show your DL - They now have one and now they can vote
[ In Reply To ..]But then again that was the plan.
You are wrong. A license is not proof of citizenship. - nm
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But they will get around it because they have and they will. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]They don't care about respect for the law.
In reality, if you were illegal, would you go vote? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]If you had the gumption and where with all to get to the US, would you jeopardize yourself by voting where they might ask you for documentation? That would be like a bank robber hanging around the police station.
I don't have to show proof of citizenship to vote - I have to show a license
[ In Reply To ..]and since they will be given one they will be allowed to vote. If they are going to be given IRS tax refunds when they don't pay in because as Obobo says they have to be treated the same then the same will go for voting.
When you REGISTER to vote - I believe you need proof of citizenship
[ In Reply To ..]Maybe every state is different, but if anything the requirements have become MORE stringent in recent years due to Republicans trying to block Democratic voters.
When I vote I don't have to show anything, just tell them my address and sign my name on the roll, BUT when I registered I had to prove citizenship via passport or other documents.
I disagree because of facts. And again, all you need to REGISTER to vote - is a DL
[ In Reply To ..]If anything the requirements have become more loose, NOT stringent and it is certainly not due to republicans trying to block democrat voters because the democrats have been trying to block republican voters and not counting military and other group that lean towards republicans. That coupled with democrats registering everything and everyone to vote (and more than once) certainly is not stringent.
I have never had to show passport or other documents to vote. I've lived in many states and to register all you had to do was show your license.
The DMV in my state requires birth certificate or passport - nm
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The same is true for me. - Citizenship is a requirement to vote.
[ In Reply To ..]States do have different requirements regarding voting; it's a states' rights issue. In Texas, you must produce proof of citizenship, and I had to produce my birth certificate in order to obtain the ability to vote. We all do. I've worked many polling places, and believe me when I tell you that illegal persons are not voting in Texas unless they are willfully forging citizenship documents.
The Republican party in Texas is doing everything they can to make it hard for even some United States citizens to vote or to weaken votes for Democratic candidates by gerrymandering voting districts, just as they are doing in many states across the country. Funny how those Republican governors pander to illegals on a state level while trying to appease their far-right constituents by seeming to oppose the same people when seeking office at the federal level. LOL. I will say that the Governors Bush and the Bush family political dynasty have remained true to their belief in immigration being what our country is made of and a part of who we are, being that 99% of our country has ancestry firmly rooted there.
QUESTION: Who said it?
"I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally."
Who said it?
HINT: He didn't like seeing workers exploited by employers, and it was part of his understanding of America that the United States was fundamentally open to those who wanted to join us here. The impetus for the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) actually began with his actively campaigning for a North American common market and his desire to eliminate trade barriers in North America, and it was indeed his Vice President who later became the POTUS that signed NAFTA in 1992 along with President Salinas of Mexico and Prime Minister Mulroney of Canada.
Same here. I showed proof of resisency and citizenship when..sm - VTMT
[ In Reply To ..]I registered to vote and only have to give my name and have it checked against the voter list when I vote. In some states you can register to vote on line by giving the last four numbers of your SS# and your date of birth which is then checked electronically.
People still do it illegally though. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]They fall through the cracks and still vote illegally when they're not citizens. There has been voter fraud reported in many states.
Hey, VTMT, where have you been? It's nice to see you back again.
Glad you think it's "nice", but clear you are speaking for - yourself!
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This has been debunked - Lighthouse
[ In Reply To ..]http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/amnestybonus.asp
No, it has NOT been debunked. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]It is new information that came out within the last two weeks. Even the IRS Commish was unaware of the full impact (at hearings last week). Please don't provide misleading information to people. Thank you.
Info Lighthouse provided was last updated - Feb 13, 2015. Not misleading. nm
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Sorry, but from the Snopes article, they stated the following: - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]"The policy change in question simply allows (among other things) immigrants who have now been granted Social Security numbers to amend three years' worth of previously filed tax returns to receive EITC credits based on previously-reported earned wages if they were so qualified.
Note that it is possible a low-income taxpayer could have had no tax liability (and thus paid no income tax) for a given year, yet still receive a "refund" by qualifying for the Earned Income Tax Credit."
Thus, the OP is mostly right. Plus there was just an article written by Stephen Ohlemacher (AP)that appeared on 2/13/15 that states the same thing:
"....until now, they were not eligible for Social Security, Medicare or the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC), one of the government’s largest anti-poverty programs.
Obama’s executive actions will offer Social Security numbers to these immigrants, something that eventually could make them eligible for Social Security and Medicare. For Social Security, you generally have to work and pay payroll taxes for 10 years before you qualify for retirement benefits.
More immediately, they can take advantage of the EITC. Last year, the credit provided low-income workers with about $70 billion.
There's More: - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]There’s more.
They also can file amended tax returns for up to three years after they were due, which means these immigrants can claim tax credits going back as far as 2011. (Tax returns for 2011 were due in April 2012).
The maximum credit for families with three or more children is about $6,000, so some families could get as much as $24,000 in credits.
Koskinen said these tax returns would be processed just like any other.
“You have to do the same thing any taxpayer would do, which is you’re going to file a return, say this is what I earned, these are my expenses, deductions, whatever it might be,” Koskinen said. “You have to have the supporting documentation.”
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/republicans-obama-giving-amnesty-bonuses-immigrants/
What else is new? Breaking the law certainly - does pay when US corporations do it.
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