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Posted: Sep 13, 2011

Some facts from the US Census Bureau's Annual Poverty Report...

 

  • Nearly three-fourths have a car or truck, and 31 percent have two or more cars or trucks.
  • Nearly two-thirds have cable or satellite TV.
  • Half have a personal computer, and one in seven have two or more computers.
  • More than half of poor families with children have a video game system, such as an Xbox or PlayStation.
  • 43 percent have Internet access.
  • One-third have a wide-screen plasma or LCD TV.
  • 96 percent of poor parents stated that their children were never hungry at any time during the year because they could not afford food.
  • 42 percent of poor households actually own their own homes.
  • The dwellings of poor Americans are about two-thirds the size of the average U.S. dwelling. Nonetheless, at 1,400 square feet, the dwelling of the average poor American is still substantially larger than the average dwelling in every European nation except Luxembourg. For example, the average dwelling of poor Americans is 40 percent larger than the average dwelling unit in Sweden (999 square feet).
  • Although it is widely supposed that the poor cannot obtain medical care, only 13 percent of poor households report that a family member needed to go to a doctor or hospital at some point in the prior year but was unable to do so because the family could not afford the cost.

Does this fit any mental picture of poverty you might have had?  I didn't think so.

You can read more here:

Surveys include the Residential Energy Consumption Survey, What We Eat in America, Food Security, the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, the American Housing Survey, and the Survey of Income and Program Participation. See U.S. Department of Energy, Energy Information Administration, Residential Energy Consumption Survey, at http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/recs/ (June 22, 2011); U.S. Department of Agriculture, What We Eat in America, NHANES 2007–2008, Table 4, at http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/12355000/pdf/0708/Table_4_NIN_POV_07.pdf (June 22, 2011); Mark Nord, “Food Insecurity in Households with Children: Prevalence, Severity, and Household Characteristics,” U.S. Department of Agriculture, September 2009, at http://www.ers.usda.gov/Publications/EIB56/EIB56.pdf (September 7, 2011); U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, “About the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey,” at http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nhanes/about_nhanes.htm (September 7, 2011); U.S. Census Bureau, “American Housing Survey (AHS),” at http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/housing/ahs/ahs.html (June 27, 2011); and U.S. Census Bureau, Survey of Income and Program Participation, 2001 Panel, Wave 8 Topical Module, 2003, at http://www.bls.census.gov/sipp_ftp.html#sipp01 (June 27, 2011).

[4]U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development and U.S. Census Bureau, American Housing Survey for the United States: 2009, at http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/h150-09.pdf (September 8, 2011).

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The poverty standard for a family of four is an annual income of $22,113. - Yes, what's the problem?

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46.2 million Americans lived in poverty in 2010.

So around 12 million+ do not have a car, and the other 34 million perhaps have junkers that they can't afford to put gas in or insure and license.

So around 15 million people in the US do not have a TV.

23 million do not have a computer or internet access. I am pretty dependent on my computer and internet.

How many people is a million anyway? I live in a city of about 100,000. Chicago is a city of about 3 million. 46 million living in poverty in the U.S. Thanks for making me think about this.

I remember being poor - sm

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I had to search all over to come up with enough pennies to buy a loaf of bread, because that's all I could afford to buy. I live in an area where there is no mass transportation, so I had to buy gas and maintain my car in order to get to work and keep my job. I remember having a flat tire and not having the money to fix it. Being poor means my child didn't get proper nutrition. He didn't get to do activities with the other children at school because we couldn't afford it. Being poor is not glamorous. It's not about 2nd vacation homes and big-screen TVs. It's about survival.

I remember - sm

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Being sent to the store to buy an onion, bringing one home, and having my mom start to cry because the onion had been frozen and was starting to rot. No money to buy another one and the grocery store owner was a jerk of a rich person, and she knew he wouldn't take it back.

I also remember getting a new winter coat. Yes, a NEW one, for a poor kid. The first day I wore it, the zipper broke. 20 below zero here. You need a coat WITH a zipper. We did have a TV--it was fuzzy most of the time, but it was the one thing we had. I can't believe people would say owning a TV is too much wealth for someone in the US.

The only assistance I have ever been on is the Social Security survivor pay, which was minimal. Yup, you are darn right I am a Democrat now.

No--15 million poor people do not have a - wide screen tv.

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I did not either, until we got one for a gift. There were things I thought we needed more. Had we not received one for a gift, we would still be watching the old tube tv. And so what if 15 million people people didn't have a tv? Perhaps then, we would have less obese children, right? We have very few truly impoverished people in this country.

Where would you put the poverty threshold? - How may flat screens

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How many flat screens versus tube TVs? 17 inch, 23 inch, 40 inch? Link please.

So, the number of people living below the poverty level is 12 cities the size of Chicago or more than five cities the size of New York City, and you don't think that is very many?
See, the thing is that I don't want to see - people go without.
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I am all for feeding and clothing people who need help. I want to make sure that they have enough electricity to keep their homes warm. I just think that we, as a society, have carried this sense of entitlement a little too far and it is detrimental to the very people that it is supposed to help.

My parents both grew up very poor. We were poor when I was a child. My parents worked hard and clawed their way out of that to give my brother and I a better life. I am very thankful for that.

Now, we seem to think that every family is entitled to a plasma tv and a PS3 or XBox (which, by they way, my children do not have because we spend our money elsewhere). My kids want one and if they are going to get it, they can do odd jobs for my husband and I or the neighbors and, gasp, earn the money to buy one. Every poor family has a government subsidized cell phone and why shouldn't they be able to buy lobster with their food stamps, right?

The problem is, that if it is so comfortable to be poor, there is no incentive to work one's way out of that bad situation, which just breeds generation after generation of poor people. Nothing gets better. Of course, there are always those to go against the trend and work to get out just because it is in their constitution to do so, but there are too few of those. Unfortunately, in trying to make things better for poor people, I think that we ultimately make them worse.
KUDOS! - hmmm
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"The problem is, that if it is so comfortable to be poor, there is no incentive to work one's way out of that bad situation, which just breeds generation after generation of poor people. Nothing gets better. Of course, there are always those to go against the trend and work to get out just because it is in their constitution to do so, but there are too few of those. Unfortunately, in trying to make things better for poor people, I think that we ultimately make them worse."

That is the wisest thing I've read on this forum in a while.
Obvious disconnect like so many Republican/TP - sm
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You do not understand poor. You seem to think poor is not having wide screen TV and cable. I was raised poor. I am not poor now. I am lucky that I had SS survivor benefits. I would probably not be alive or be a successful member of society now if I hadn't. Frankly, I think I would be more healthy and better educated now if there had been some additional help with dental bills, nutrition, and some support through college. No. Coddling the poor does not breed more poor. You are just plain wrong and delusional.
Yes, it does. - hmmm
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I personally know people who are "poor" because they CHOOSE not to go out and seek gainful employment or training for such, and they expect to sit in their parents' homes and have the government pay for their health care. There is no motivation to work hard because "the government takes care of you." Their children see this, learn from it, and repeat the cycle.

Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition.

Thomas Jefferson


And if you can afford a plasma TV, and you "can't afford" to go to the doctor, then your priorities are totally screwed up. How about selling the XBOX to pay for that dental checkup? Don't send the bill to me.
You never fail to reaffirm my convictions - Tiny Tim
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That the TP's are all about selfishness and greed.

God bless us, every one!
And of course the democrats are all about selflessness and generosity. - hmmm
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Ummm... - JS

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I really hope that you're not trying to link the fact that we have so many obese in this country with the idea that people are well off.

The sad fact is that lack of funds leaves low-income families dependent on prepackaged junk high in fat, sugar, calories, and packed with corn, etc., even worse... leaving them dependent on the "Dollar Menu" at fast food chains. If for $3 you can have a Mickey D's hamburger, small fry, and small drink or 1 head of cauliflower and nothing else (and I just looked up the price at my local market, and it's on sale at $3/head), which would you choose? It costs much more money to eat healthier which is why the obesity epidemic has hit lower-income Americans the hardest. It has nothing to do with what size TV they have or how lazy they are. They rely on an overprocessed garbage diet (yet oftentimes remain malnourished while becoming obese) because that's all they can afford.

A generous size of one's waistline does not indicate a similar generous size of one's wallet. Usually the opposite.
That is not what I said. - I said that perhaps if so many
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poor people didn't have tv's, there would be less childhood obesity. Less video game playing and less tv watching equals less obese children. FACT.
Partial fact - JS
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And I apologize. When I read your original post, I linked your last sentence with the former one regarding obese children, and given the topic of discussion (debate over poverty or lack thereof or what should be considered poverty), I thought fat waistline = fat wallets was one of your points as well. I misunderstood.

And I said partial fact to this response because yes, a lack of physical activity does lead to obesity and an unhealthy lifestyle; however, when we are pumped full of high-calorie, high-fat, nutritionally devoid, cheap food, even those who are moderately active, children included, can hit the obese range.

Sorry to take this off track, but the agribusiness/food industry in this country is something that thoroughly disgusts me, with its affect on those of lower income (which affects those of higher income when it comes to tax payers paying for completely preventable medical expenses) being only part of that disgust, so I get a little worked up if I hear the fat = financially well off arguement.
I can sort of concede that. While many high - fat, high calorie, foods are
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cheap, so are many very healthy foods. I think that it is a combination of price and laziness, to be honest. The problem is, that to eat healthy meals, it is either expensive, or one has to actually cook. And it's not just the poor who fall into this pit of easy, pre-cooked, high fat, high calorie, high sugar foods. I do it, myself, when I'm feeling lazy. But there are cheap and healthy foods out there, they just require some cooking and time. Rice is inexpensive and fairly healthy. Dried beans are inexpensive, a great source of protein and low in fat. Fresh veggies are expensive, but my family eats a lot of canned veggies because they are cheap. There are ways to eat healthy foods without breaking the bank. You just have to put in some effort.

More Americans were living in poverty in 2010 than at any time since at least the 1950s - sm

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More Americans were living in poverty in 2010 than at any time since at least the 1950s, with the overall poverty rate climbing to 15.1 -- a 6 percent jump in just one year -- according to Census figures released Tuesday. 


The Census Bureau's annual report showed nearly 1-in-6 people in poverty, reflecting sustained long-term unemployment and the failure of the U.S. economy to kick into gear following a crippling recession. 


The number of uninsured also edged up to 49.9 million, the highest in over two decades.


The figures cover 2010, and the jobless rate has not ticked down much since then. The unemployment rate stood at 9.1 percent in August. The report comes as President Obama tries anew to push legislation aimed at spurring job growth while providing government aid to those out of work. 


According to the report, the number of people in poverty last year was 46.2 million, the largest number in the 52 years for which poverty estimates have been published. The overall poverty rate climbed to 15.1 percent up from 14.3 percent in 2009. 


Based on percentages, it tied the poverty level in 1993 and was the highest since 1983. 


Reflecting the lingering impact of the recession, the U.S. poverty rate from 2007-2010 has now risen faster than any three-year period since the early 1980s, when a crippling energy crisis amid government cutbacks contributed to inflation, spiraling interest rates and unemployment. 


The situation has hit black populations the hardest, with their poverty rate rising from 25.8 percent to 27.4 percent. Child poverty rose from 20.7 percent to 22 percent. 


The numbers show that a job is by no means a guarantee against falling into poverty. Among all American workers, the rate was 7 percent -- and 15 percent among those working part-time, a rate little-changed from last year. 


And in a hallmark of what the officials dubbed "the boomerang generation," an estimated 5.9 million Americans between the ages of 25 to 34 resided at their parents' homes in the spring of 2011, when the survey was conducted. That's up 25 percent since 2007. Many of them would be living in poverty if they did not live with their parents, according to the Census Bureau. 


The share of Americans without health coverage also rose from 16.1 percent to 16.3 percent -- or 49.9 million people -- after the Census Bureau made revisions to numbers of the uninsured. 


That is due mostly because of continued losses of employer-provided health insurance in the weakened economy. 


Congress passed a health overhaul last year to address rising numbers of the uninsured. While the main provisions don't take effect until 2014, one aspect taking effect in late 2010 allowed young adults 26 and younger to be covered under their parents' health insurance. 


Brett O'Hara, chief of the Health and Disability Statistics branch at the Census Bureau, noted that the uninsured rate declined -- from 29.3 percent to 27.2 percent -- for adults ages 18 to 24 compared to some other age groups. 


The median -- or midpoint -- household income was $49,445, down 2.3 percent from 2009. 


Bruce Meyer, a public policy professor at the University of Chicago, cautioned that the worst may yet to come in poverty levels, citing in part continued rising demand for food stamps this year as well as "staggeringly high" numbers in those unemployed for more than 26 weeks. He noted that more than 6 million people now represent the so-called long-term unemployed, who are more likely to fall into poverty, accounting for than two out of five currently out of work. 



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