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A Dem with some smarts on Wall Street-Ted Kaufman


Posted: Oct 12, 2010

Very Interesting interview. I didn't know this. Did you?

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31510813/#39620751

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This is really important - for anyone who wants to retire someday

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The deregulation of Wall Street is why everyone lost so much of the value of their 401-ks. This is the reason for the "flash crash" last spring. This is why any efforts to to privatize Social Security must be defeated. Privatizing Social Security = more cash for Wall Street, less for you.

Privatizing SS was and still is a scare tactic by Dems - Backwards Typist

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From my understanding, it was to be a percentage of a person's SS tax and not the whole SS shebang.  It was to be moved into a SAFE, INCOME PRODUCING fund like IRA's, mutual funds or pension plans and was also supposed to be VOLUNTARY. It would come from the person's individual account, not the system itself. 


Bush discussed the potential impending bankruptcy of the program and outlined his new program, which included partial privatization of the system, personal Social Security accounts, and options to permit Americans to divert a portion of their Social Security tax (FICA) into secured investments. Democrats opposed the proposal to partially privatize the system.  After the Democrats gained control of both houses of the Congress as a result of the 2006 midterm elections, the prospects of any further congressional action on the Bush proposal were dead for the remainder of his term in office.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6903273/


The thing that bothered me is all these naysayers stated that Wall Street would stand to gain billions in fees but if anyone knows anything about IRA's through the different offerings, most IRA's only charge a minimal amount; i.e., the accounts I have only take $10 a year in fees if the IRA fallls under a certain dollar amount and expenses are very minimal. You don't even notice a difference.   Can that be so bad? I don't think so. It IS up to the person to understand how IRA accounts work before opening one.  If you don't or can't understand this, then it would be best not to privatize. The following link gives pros and cons of this, plus input from reader's halfway down the page, pro, con, and on the fence.


http://socialsecurity.procon.org/


Like i always say, it's best to do research on your own. I looked at quite a few pros and cons on this issue back then and I would still be for it, but I'm over the alloted age Bush wanted for implementation.  One such page was so wrong, it was pathetic.  Please remember the below source was done in 2005 when this debate/uproar was first proposed.


http://usliberals.about.com/od/socialsecurity/a/SocSecReform.htm


Evidently one source published an article and every 'con' against it was picked up by all other reporting sources on the 'cons'.


Here is an understanding of SS and probably things some of you didn't know. This is in Adobe, and a good read.


http://www.cato.org/pubs/books/itsyourmoney.pdf


This source also gives a pro/con view.


http://www.seniorcitizenjournal.com/2010/09/20/social-security-privatization-pros-and-cons/


It is true that the older one gets, the harder it would be to understand and evaluate the fund's income and outgo and this is why it would be necessary to pick a fund that doesn't need much 'watching'. This is the type I have.


The largest pro to privatization would be the money is there for heirs, while SS goes away, no matter how much you have paid into it and how much you collected from it. If you paid more in than what you collected, you would be on the losing end. I've seen it happen to many friends who worked and paid in all their lives but only collected a year's worth before passing away. So, who got that money?  The government.


Didn't mean to ramble but I just had to reply.


 

Bush, McCain, Joe Miller, Sharon Angle, Ken Buck - have all supported privatizing.

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Then, when the market falls and people start asking questions about Wall Street practices, they all back down again.

IRA's- if you have an interest-only account, you may show a LITTLE bit of growth. If you have tried to manage it as an investment account take a look at what happened to it between 2008 and 2009. Now look at your 401k for the same period. Look at your current statement. Who got the money?
I was getting 8% before the crash on my IRA. - Backwards Typist
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While DH was only getting half that on his 401K.

I am now making 5%-6% by switching to safer investments since then through my IRA.

DH is making 4% and he lost more than I did during the crash.

I have control over where I want my money, he doesn't. So what makes more sense to you?
You can lose money with both - so whats the difference?
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The point is that given Wall Street's history, I don't want them touching this safety net that also provides for the disabled, and children of deceased parents or disabled. You know if it has Wall Street behind it, they are just itching to get their hands on some more money--just like the 401ks.
I repeat, a PORTION, not ALL of SS was to be privatized - Backwards Typist
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according to GWB's plan. The children of deceased parents and disabled did not even come into it, just "able-bodied" retirees and it was on a VOLUNTARY basis. SS is not as stable as you think and with today's economy, how many were forced to take early retirement? The balances in the fund will be changing and not on the positive side. A cure for that would be for the government to pretty please pay back what they took over the years and place the fund in a "do not touch" account which, as we all know is in our dreams.

I wish you would have read up on the subject back then. Now, I have a feeling, and I'm not saying this is true, but if it comes down to this administration wanting to privatize SS, it may be totally different. I have not seen or read anything about it so far.

Please post sources if you know something about it so I can read up on it as well. I'm under the impression (from all the crappy political ads) that they are speaking about GWB's plan back then...and this is why I call it scare tactics.
Go back and listen to your original post video - Its about high frequency trading.
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High frequency trading can be abused into market manipulation. When the flash crash happened, analysts were scratching their heads for months. Now imagine a "portion" of your social security account raided by high frequency trader "quants" basically, whenever they want to drive the market up or down (they will make money either way).

Social security privatization is a tangent issue. Its like health reform--I am totally for a one-payer system, but that is not what I got. It does not matter what Bush or McCain or Angle would want, its what would you get? Or more importantly, what would you have left after Wall Street is done with you.

That's right. It's like a gambler who runs out of - money at a casino and then SM

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hits the ATM for money that was designated for bills, etc.

They simply need more money to gamble away. Then they'll demand another bailout.

People have short memories if they don't remember all the 401k's that tanked because they trusted Wall Street.

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