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Governor made an executive order

Posted: Apr 23, 2016

Just heard the governor of Virginia has made an executive order that inmates 200,000 of them can now vote. Funny, I thought all of your rights were taken away from you when you started serving prison sentences. Anything for his Hillary to win. ;

They're getting creative - out of desperation.

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It isn't enough anymore to just get the illegal alien votes (like Obamatollah did). They have to appeal and pander to other leftwing loons to get more votes. God help us if Chillary gets in.

Barack, McCauliffe, etc: "Legislature? We don't need - no stinking legisature!"

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This country is starting to resemble feudal England before the Magna Carta.

A crook gets votes from crooks. - Birds of a feather...

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It would be so sweet if Hillary is incarcerated just like her voting buddies.

He did this knowing that rapists, murderers, robbers and - fraudsters are comfortable with Hillary.

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If I were Trump in the general, I'd hammer this over and over: "Join the rapists, the murderers, the robbers, the child pornographers and vote for Hillary if that's the sort of low character you want in the White House."

...and she with them. - nm

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one problem: they're not "inmates" - hawtmk

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That implies they are currently prisoners. They are not. They were convicted and served their time and paid their debt to society. Why shouldn't they be allowed the right to vote once they have done so?

Sounds good - at a superficial level. Obviously you don't know - these people. I do.

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First, you never pay your debt to society once you've committed a felony (or, in most cases, more than one felony). You can never put Humpty Dumpty together again with respect to the damage from these crimes (victims live with them forever), so let's get that myth out of the way. "Paying your debt to society" is an oxymoron on its face.

As a former cop, I can tell you that you wouldn't care to find yourself alone with many of these people for as much as 5 minutes, but you think they should vote, eh? You have no idea - absolutely NO idea - what many of these people are really like. You think they've been "washed clean" or something??!! BY BEING IN PRISON???!!!!

In fact, We know statistically that most of them, despite having "paid their debt" and currently running free, are already on their way back to prison. They just haven't made it yet.

Jaysus, Paddy, What a stunningly mind-boggling, staggeringly rainbows-and-sugar-cookie world you must live in. Unfortunately, it exists nowhere on the planet Earth.

So, let me put this to you. These people tend to be concentrated in certain areas. Just what would you be okay with them voting for? How about voting for lenient judges or crooked district attorneys? How about changing gun laws that prohibit them from owning them? How about nullifying laws requiring registration of sex offenders?

Now, you might say to yourself "Oh, they could never do any damage at the ballot box in terms of passing bad laws. There aren't enough of them"...but if you say that, what are you REALLY saying? You're saying that you hope or believe that there will be enough "decent" citizens to overcome whatever mischief that the felons might do as voters.

Hope isn't a strategy, and belief isn't a plan. In fact, what you really have there is an argument AGAINST ever allowing felons to vote if you simply hope they can't do any damage. The evidence, in fact, is that there are enough silly fools who will join them that they CAN do damage.

I have no problem with felons who were convicted of certain kinds of crime voting (nor do the Republicans who are objecting, by the way). But this was blanket, indiscriminate license to vote extended to every felon, regardless of his or her crimes and regardless of his or her record. As such it was extremely foolish - but we know why he did it.

We know why and, more importantly, YOU know why.

..where to begin.. - hawtmk

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First of all, of course one pays his debt to society by going to prison. I didn't say all repercussion of the crime were washed away. I understand emotional scars remain after a crime. That's not what we are discussing here. That's ostensibly what prison is for (to remove the criminal from society, to punish them for their crime). Once they have served their punishment and are returned to society, what larger good does it serve to forever withhold voting rights? It serves only as further retribution and vengeance.

Secondly, I do not live in a "rainbows and sugar cookie" world. I live in a democracy (or rather a constitutional republic, if we can keep it).

You are conflating people's rights with whether or not YOU feel they are voting correctly on the issues. If they vote "correctly" then let's give em back their voting rights. If we think they are bad folks and gonna vote "the wrong way", why, then we have a right to withhold their voting rights from them.

That is the exact opposite of what the "right to vote" is all about.

Further do you think "silly fools" are only those who are former criminals? Do you think all people who have never been convicted of crimes are "smart voters?" Let me disabuse you of that belief right now. They are not. But it remains their right to vote however they would like. In your "rainbows and sugar cookie world" apparently everyone is a brilliant, informed and worthy voter, who will vote just like you want them to.

If you don't extend the right to vote to all felons who have served their time, you end up with what we have here in Iowa, a hodgepodge of laws and a ridiculous system where the governor HIMSELF decides if your crime was "heinous enough" that you are forever denied your right to vote, or if you committed a crime that was bad but not too bad... so now you can vote. It's outrageous.

Certainly, there may be political benefits to extending voting rights to a "certain population" and I won't deny that exists, but in my mind, it's so much better than the opposite -- infringing on voting rights to guarantee a certain outcome.

Are you a Hillary supporter like the governor - and his felon voting buddies?

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You do know the governor is a Hillary supporter and pretty much knows the felons will vote for her too right? As previous poster mentioned dishonest crooks will vote for a dishonest crook.

did you actually read my post? - hawkmt

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NM

I guess I view the issue as thus: - anon

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Many victims will never be able to vote, so why should their perpetrators be allow to vote? Simple.

by that logic: - hawtmk

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Many victims are no longer able to speak.
Would you take away all free speech rights for former felons who have served their time?

Many victims are no longer able to practice a religion.
Would you take away the right of freedom of religion from all former felons who have served their time?

Many victims are no longer able to have their right of due process upheld.
Would you take away the right of due process from all former felons who have served their time?

It's a slippery slope and (luckily) you are not charged with making the rules regarding it.

You either deliberately mischaracterized my post or you didn't - understand it. No reply possible.

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First, thank you for your service as a police officer. Second - see msg. - anon

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Thank you for your experienced perspective on this issue. I agree completely that many felons are repeat felons and in no way should be allowed to vote and that allowing former felons to vote should be handled on an individual basis. I appreciate that you see both sides of this issue and, again, thank you for your insight.

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