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Fascinating TV show from 60s
Posted: Nov 9, 2009
Just happened to switch to a channel showing 60s version of a 'Boston Legal' type show. Came in on the middle of the show but the plot was about a man who lost everything he had ever worked for because of an illness he could not pay for - no insurance or insuffienty insurance (not clear).
Not only was he dying from the disease, he was crushed by the financial disaster his illness caused.
What I was so struck by was the closing statement: And remember this show was clearly filmed in the 60s or perhap early 70s.
He said in our society only the very rich and the very poor are not effected by the financial burdens of health care - the burden falls on the middle class - and that any society who stands by and allows this travesty to continue, that society is sicker than the dying patient.
I personally have been up, I've been down, but I NEVER could be on the side that said 'yes' to fake wars but NO to basic health care for all.
Unfortunately the Democrats DID say 'yes' to Bush's wars, which cost HUNDREDS of billions of dollars. They are, however, doing the right thing now.
AND YOU KNOW? I think THAT's what Republicans are so ticked off about - health care reform will take a step toward fairness and leveling the playing field. They don't want to be part of it and they also don't want Democrats getting credit for accomplishing both.
As bush used to say, Republicans, you are either with U.S. on health care reform, or you are against U.S.
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About that 60's health care - gourdpainter
[ In Reply To ..]In 1969 my husband and I lost our health care benefits and our youngest son was born at OUR expense. It took us 5 years to get him paid for but we did it. In my own opinion, we don't need more government in our lives, we need LESS. Back in those days though, doctors and hospitals allowed "accounts." Now all doctor's offices and hospitals that I've seen in the past years have signs "payment is expected at the time of service." By all means if someone, like in the movie you reference, has a serious illness, they should be taken care of but there are many issues, where responsibility might play a part.
What does this mean? - responsibility?
[ In Reply To ..]I didn't read anything that said he wasn't going to pay it back. Of course he would probably be dead before he had a chance to pay in full leaving the rest of us to absorb the cost. How nice to spend the rest of your life with such a burden, and then leaving it to the rest of us.
what this means - gourdpainter
[ In Reply To ..]If the man spends the rest of his life trying to pay off his horrible medical bills, I personally have no problem picking up the slack. What I do have a problem with is things such as abortion as a method of birth control and having babies. I also have a problem with picking up the bill for able bodied people who are too lazy to work. Responsibility means not expecting the government to take care of every need for anyone.
Then why in the world did you apply - it to the previous post?
[ In Reply To ..]And you are already paying for people too lazy to work, and for abortions (assuming you are a tax-payer). Depending on the state in which you live, coverage varies, so this coverage will become the same country-wide.
Who pays for abortions?
Some 74% of women pay for abortions with their own money; 13% of abortions are covered by Medicaid, and 13% are billed directly to private insurance. Some women who pay for the procedure themselves may receive insurance reimbursement later. (31)
Does the U.S. government help poor women who need abortions pay for them?
Congress has barred the use of federal Medicaid funds to pay for abortions, except when the woman̢۪s life would be endangered by a full-term pregnancy, or in cases of rape or incest. As of November 2006, 17 states used their own funds to subsidize abortion for poor women. (38) In actuality, however, about half of these states provide little to no funds to cover these services. (39)
How many states prohibit public funding of abortions?
A total of 32 states and the District of Columbia prohibit public funding of abortions, except in cases of life endangerment, rape or incest. South Dakota only provides public funding of abortions when necessary to protect the woman̢۪s life, which is not in compliance with the federal Medicaid statute. (38)
Ugh(ly) - the original me
[ In Reply To ..]Your comment is plainly ugly. If it was you or a loved one in this situation, could we say the same thing about them?
I am sure it's NICE to lay in pain, dying, knowing you would likely leave this burden to your family despite your best efforts and lifelong work NOT to do just that.
Just trying to speak to a - different
[ In Reply To ..]mindset than you or I. I hope you understand. Sorry to offend. I think maybe you misunderstood?
Huh? - the original me
[ In Reply To ..]One doesn't *speak* a mindset...
Are you just saying we disagree, or were you playing devils' advocate?
You can have a mindset and then speak your mind... - Lil
[ In Reply To ..]therefore, speaking your mindset.
Nice try, no banannas - the original me
[ In Reply To ..]at the risk of belaboring the point:
mindset or mind-set n. (NOUN) A fixed mental attitude or disposition that predetermines a person's responses to and interpretations of situations.
To paraphrase, a mindset is an ATTITUDE that PREDETERMINES how someone is likely to REACT.
For example if one is a RACIST, we could predict that that person would REACT poorly to, for example, the concept of an Hispanic president - or the actual election of same.
Verbalizing *what's on your mind* is just that, - no such thing as "speaking a mindset."
Rather than belabor the point with you... - Lil
[ In Reply To ..]we will agree to disagree.
Well just read my post - the original me
[ In Reply To ..]I wasn't trying to grandstand or offend you. If my explanation makes sense, why can't you just accept the information I was sharing?
No, I think you misunderstood - I was
[ In Reply To ..]I agree with you on almost everything. If you go back, you will see that the gp made a comment about responsibility. My thoughts were, what did she mean? The man didn't say he wasn't planning on paying. My comment was sarcasm (nice to have to spend your last days with that "financial" burden hanging over you). Then I said he would die before he could pay it leaving it to the rest of us. The $$ part appears to be all that some people understand (mindset).
By the way, I didn't post the Lil one, but that pretty much sums it up. I was speaking to a different mindset. A group of people who do not think like I do.
Sorry! - the original me
[ In Reply To ..]I thought about the possibility you were playing devils advocate or being sarcastic too late - after posting.
Usually I "get" it :)
Not sure what the point is then - the original me
[ In Reply To ..]Because you acknowledge that in the 60s the doctors would allow 'accounts.'
And you also agree that people who have serious problems should be treated.
So where's the disagreement? The current system is allowing people to died without timely, affordable, quality health care. We need to fix it. Period.
The Republicans have demonstrated they care more about starting and maintaining wars-of-economic-needs than providing for America's own citizens, then the Democrats have a duty to step up, alone if needed, and get the process started.
There is nothing to say the reform can't be altered 'after the fact' if needed. But its very clear that the vast majority of Republicans would be satisfied to slap a large Band-Aid on the problem and call it a cure.
The government needs to back off... - Lil
[ In Reply To ..]Telling me that I have to buy something I may not ever use is like forcing me to buy antidepressants just because the government finds us all depressed. Everyone deserves care when they need it at a reasonable price and without having to bankrupt savings to pay for it. The government is implying that we all need insurance because we are all too stupid to know how to take care of ourselves or that we all just need to be "medicated" and medications are expensive. I need "accident" insurance for when something happens to me beyond my control. I believe I can control many other health concerns and should not be forced to buy health insurance that I could use for more useful things...food, transportation, clothes.
In 1970 our oldest was born. She cost us $300 which we paid off in about 3 years. Our second was born in 1973. He cost us $400 which we managed to pay off in 2 years. Our third was born in 1975. By then, the hospital charged an admittance fee of $50 which had to be paid before you would be admitted. He would have cost us $500 but, due to incompetence on the part of doctors and nurses, he was born in a porta-potty (long story). They removed $100 from our bill because no one was in the room when he was being born except for myself and husband. We took our own sweet time paying him off. ;-)
Huh? - the original me
[ In Reply To ..]You say: Everyone deserves care when they need it at a reasonable price and without having to bankrupt savings to pay for it.
Well that's exactly what Congress and the president is trying to provide: AFFORDABLE health care that won't bankrupt individuals OR the system.
You may disagree with the current bill being considered, but THAT IS what they are trying to pass
I disagree with the government... - Lil
[ In Reply To ..]trying to force me to buy something I may not use, regardless of the price. The bill that is currently being considered will fine or jail me if I don't buy what they are offering. I may not want what they are offering. I don't have a choice; therefore, I feel they need to back off. If a person is stabbed, shot, hit by a drunk driver, pushed down some stairs, provided they survive, that person's health care should be provided free of charge. If a person refuses to take care of the body they have and is constantly sick, then force that person to buy insurance. I am not that person. I do not need all the tests, medications and vaccinations that the government feels we all need and can't afford unless we are insured. I am against the government's forced takeover of my health care. What's not to get???
OK, then do without - and if there is a fine for doing so PAY it - me
[ In Reply To ..]because otherwise you are suggesting you be treated totally for free when its needed - and no one who CAN PAY should get a free ride.
So either get your own insurance or do without and pay the fine. Because EVENTUALLY you will need care.
No not only when needed... - Lil
[ In Reply To ..]Only when I am not at fault for my health issues. The other person is never held liable, except when taken to court and that isn't always a guarantee but that doesn't stop a person from needing care that they wouldn't have had to pay for had the other person been more responsible. We are ALL being held liable to pay for sickly American's health care because they are too lazy or unwilling to take care of themselves. Both of my grandparents never seen a doctor and lived to be in their 90s. You can't say "eventually" because you have no clue.
Well then you are the exception - take a bow - the original me
[ In Reply To ..]But don't make the naïve mistake of thinking your exceptional experience can be extrapolated to the public at large.
If that was possible, *most* problems would be solved.
Most problems are not solved... - Lil
[ In Reply To ..]due to the vast majority's reluctance and unwillingness to take care of themselves. A pill or surgery will suffice and they can continue on their merry way. Good health takes sacrifice, something the majority is very unwilling to undertake.
Why must you generalize so - does that make it easier to - The Original Me
[ In Reply To ..]Judge?
It's not 1970 anymore ~ sm - Anoni~
[ In Reply To ..]The average cost of a vaginal delivery these days is between $9000 and $17,000.
I know it's expensive...That's my point... - Lil
[ In Reply To ..]It shouldn't be so expensive that no one can afford it when it's needed. It's ridiculous. I would have all my babies at home before I paid $9000 to have a doctor stand and catch them.
why did you have your babies through the clinic? - SS
[ In Reply To ..]If you could have had insurance to pay for a physician who had completed residency? I'll bet the porta potty incident would not have occurred. Heads would have rolled big time. I can't imagine taking that chance with the lives of my children when I could afford insurance.
My babies were all born... - Lil
[ In Reply To ..]in a hospital. Clinic??? What are you talking about? The porta-potty incident happened in a hospital with a doctor attending who had 25 years experience. He and the nurses just didn't believe I was in labor. When I had to urinate, they pointed to the porta potty and left the room. I couldn't get back to the bed and it was either the porta potty or the floor. I chose the porta potty. Heads didn't roll because neither of us were harmed. We talked to a lawyer.
Yes, those prices you mention are hospital clinic prices - SS
[ In Reply To ..]If you had no insurance, you were having your baby through the clinic. The clinic does admit their patients to the hospital to a room in the hospital, but it is the clinic. And, if you had a physician in attendance with 25 years experience, then you were lucky. He was the clinic attending. If I am wrong, I apologize, but my children were born then too and my bill was no where near as low as you mention.
No... - Lil
[ In Reply To ..]it was not through a clinic. I saw an ob/gyn doctor monthly at an ob/gyn clinic. I had to pay $50 before being admitted to the hospital. It was not through a clinic. The $500 was for the hospital only. The doctor bill was separate. We paid it out monthly also.
This is what I meant - SS
[ In Reply To ..]The hospital room is set up through the clinic which is a part of the hospital. Had you been paying with insurance, your room would have cost much more, and so would the physician had it been through a private practice rather than the OB/GYN clinic.
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