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Chilling quote from Giffords herself about Palin's crosshairs map

Posted: Jan 9, 2011

"We're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district, and when people do that, they've gotta realize there are consequences to that action."

Disturbing, isn't it?

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You might wait to see if the shooter was actually... - motivated by that....

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before you rush to judgment. Of course that supposes that you really care about the truth of the matter.

You are engaging in hate speech and baseless accusations.

Does that not bother you just a little bit?

There is not one iota of hate speech by the poster - in her post. What planet are you living on?

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This was indeed a chilling quote from Giffords.

Instead of blaming Palin for having these targeted individuals, you instead incorrectly blame the victim of this terrorism and you accuse the writer of the above post of engaging in hate speech.

How ridiculous! I guess anything to defend the offenders.

Talk about ridiculous...do you even KNOW what - hate speech is?

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there is absolutely NO proof that this shooter was in any way influenced by Sarah Palin's ad or the tea party AT ALL. He was described by his classmates as "left and quite liberal." You know more about him than they do?

Your last line is hate speech. "anything to defend the offenders?" What proof do you have that they had anything to do with this? NONE. THAT is hate speech. You are promoting hate toward people who have not been demonstrated to have ANYTHING to do with this. What planet are YOU living on??? Do you not realize what you are implying? What if someone now shoots Palin because of all this baseless hate speech now being posted? Would that make you happy? Is that what you hope to gain by this?

You better get off that high horse before you fall and hurt yourself - sm

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You betcha that if it HAD been that moron Palin who was shot you all would be on here claiming it was a bunch of liberals, Democrats, what-have-you who were behind it. So you might just want to take your high dudgeon down a notch or two or three....

I know, I know, it's hard to defend the indefensible, ain't it? But really, you need to just give it up because it just makes you look ignorant.

You're totally right on that one about liberals and sm - CrispyCritterMT

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democrats getting the blame. Yeah this was one deranged individual. That doesn't make vandalism and threats of violence, albeit somewhat veiled perhaps in Sarah Palin's case, right. More and likely this guy was not associated with the Tea Party, but whose to say he wasn't swayed by it all and it just pushed him over the edge, made it right in his mind. Do you really want the likes of Sarah Palin and the republican opponent of Congresswoman Giffords running this country? Scary thought. Sends the message, "If you don't totally think like we do, we're gonna shoot ya!"

The problem is a lot of people don't see the association - between Sarah Palin

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and the shooting. They don't understand when people are mourning deaths of a small child and many others why that Sarah Palin's name is even being brought into the scheme. This guys classmates have came out and said that he was quite liberal. He is so opposite of what the tea party is. I'm not sure why that he would have watched anything tea party involved as it seems to be way off from anything he would even care about.

It seems that people are grasping at straws to find this to be something conservative related when it was just a nut-case liberal child that went off the deep end.

I mean seriously, when does it end? Do you find it okay for people to talk about Muslims and say that they provoke violence and all hate Americans because there are a few radicals out there who are terrorists?

Never said there was a relationship sm - CrispyCritterMT

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between SP and the shooting. You brought that up. But perhaps in this guy's deranged mind he thought what he was doing was right. Where did it come from? Nobody knows, probably not even him. Where did people get the idea to vandalize Giffords office or make death threats to her? As far as the Muslims and illegals go, there is fear and paranoia concerning them perpetrated by the right. I know I hear it everyday on the rightwing talk radio stations.

Sorry, I must have misunderstood the whole if you - don't think like me I will shoot

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you. I've never gotten that feeling from her or the Republican opponent in Arizona.

So, sorry, I guess where you were talking about the deranged shooter and making statements like Sarah Palin wanted to shoot people that didn't agree with her in the same paragraph was a little confusing.

Jesse Kelley's campaign rhetoric. sm - CrispyCritterMT

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"Giffords' Tea Party opponent in the 2010 election, Jesse Kelly, went even further with the violent rhetoric. Kelly's campaign held an event called "Get on Target for Victory in November." Description: "Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly."

To borrow from a pal....SIGH ;) LOL. - Now go to dailykos

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where you will find Jesse Kelly's name with the words shoot him in the head.

Can we just stop all this now?

We know the shooter was a psycho loner and sm - CrispyCritterMT

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he alone is responsible for the shooting. I get that. So what you're saying, is violent rhetoric is okay with you. Vandalism and threats are okay with you. These statements are okay with you. Personally I don't care who does it, I find it disturbing. That's JMHO.

"Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly."

Giffords, a third-term legislator, supported Obama's health care reform bill. This earned her a place on the map, posted to Takebackthe20.com by Sarah Palin's Political Action Committe, that literally put Democrats in the cross-hairs last spring after the bill passed. "Don't retreat, instead- RELOAD!" was how Palin introduced the map to her Twitter followers. Days later, a vandal smashed the glass door of Giffords' Tucson office. Giffords' father tells the New York Post that members of the Tea Party "always threatened" his daughter.

I am not saying violent rhetoric is all right.... - and this is more explicit

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and yes, I find that objectionable. Do I think it would prompt anyone to buy an M16 and shoot Giffords? No. Do I think it was intended for someone to buy an M16 and shoot Giffords? No.

However, this whole thread was started by a single post very shortly after Giffords was shot stating "Way to go tea party." My problem was a rush to judgment and inflammatory hate speech trying to link two situations when we had no information to suggest that other than wild leaps and suppositions.

And we both know we would not be having this discussion if a Republican had been shot.

There is hateful inflammatory rhetoric all over the net at far left and far right blogging sites. A 22-year-old kid is more likely to get his info at blogging sites than from Sarah Palin's facebook page. This kid blogged himself.

My point is, if you are going to denounce hate speech, denounce hate speech, don't target certain individuals.

Eric Cantor had his office door shot out too. A nutty moveon.org operative bit a guy's finger off in a fight over the healthcare bill, and can't use insanity as an excuse. The SEIU operatives beat people down at polling places for arguing with them. They aren't insane either. What is their excuse? They didn't spew rhetoric, they HURT people.

The point here is it is not confined to any person or political persuasion, so call them all out.

This was never about hate speech. It was about trying to link this tragedy to a specific person or entire group (definition of hate speech) with absolutely no proof.

I do not think, based on what I heard during the elections on an almost daily basis with Dem maps with actual bull's eye targets on them and Pub maps with surveyor marks on them and talking about "battleground states" and Obama talking about "we're in a gunfight" and both sides talking about people in their crosshairs...and I did not hear anyone complaining about rhetoric then. What Sarah Palin had on her website or her map is no worse than what the Democrats had.

However, the statement you posted above is over the top and in bad taste but would it prompt an otherwise sane person to purchase a Glock 9 mm and kill 18 people? No.

So do we want to have a post-off of who is worse? Bottom line, a deranged mind is responding to the voices within, not the voices outside.

That is all I am saying.

Yes I still think we would be having this sm - CrispyCritterMT

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discussion if the victim was a Republican because they would blame the Dems! What I\'m saying all this hate and violence on both sides needs to stop, IMHO. As for the \"surveyor marks\", if that\'s what they were, poor choice, look too much like gunsights, especially with the reload statement. More people know what gunsights look like (unfortunately) than surveyor marks. Again IMO.

Perhaps...but anyone who has used a - computer mapping program

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is well aware of the difference. And, it is not a "choice." That is what the mapping program uses, in any I have seen. And people who are not hunters or gun users would not recognize it as crosshairs or even think that unless someone brought it to their attention and made a huge media deal about it...that is my opinion. Sometimes people making political hay ought to think about what THEY might be causing by pointing at a map, assuming they are crosshairs, and bringing it to the attention of the whole country. I think there needs to be moderation in ALL political discourse. I think you would have to agree, there is a whole lot of fanning the fire on BOTH sides that is NOT necessary.

As I said, during the midterms I saw a lot of it on both sides (using both geographical marks and actual targets...The Dems used actual bull's eye targets on theirs, and that is more readily recognizable to John Q. Public as a target than are crosshairs, and when accompanied by the WORDS "in our crosshairs"...I mean, if you think a geographical simple accompanied by "reload" is bad). There was no huge uproar about this back during the midterms, and since it apparently was worse in Arizona, and directed at the woman who was shot, people are trying to make political hay of this and THAT to me is much worse than any imagery in a political campaign.

You did not address the other issues that I brought up...actual violence committed on actual people by Democrats in the midterms. No one cried out about that.

I would be willing to bet, after all I have seen of conservatives/Republicans on this board, in my town, on national TV, there would not have been the rush to judgment that there was in this case.

I find it kind of interesting that when the towers were hit, and people immediately started blaming Muslims before we knew for sure they were Muslims, liberals (rightly so) were jumping in and saying wait, we don't know that; yet they immediately, within minutes of this shooting, blamed it on Palin and the tea party. Don't rush to judgment on Muslims, rush to judgment on fellow Americans? I don't get it. There is a lesson there...I hope they learn it.

There is a lesson in there they need to learn.

Its a lesson EVERYONE needs to learn sm - CrispyCritterMT

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regardless of political affliation. I totally agree with you about the "fanning of the fires" and is really all I'm getting at. Both sides are guilty. I myself am not a flaming liberal. I'm actually more like Congresswoman Giffords in my views. I am well aware of the views of the right as I listen almost exclusively to a conservative talk radio station because it comes in loud and clear in my rural area. Ever hear of Bill Cunningham? I listen and make my own views, sometimes I agree, sometimes I don't. This fighting between the parties is stupid and gets nowhere. BTW I personally have never used a computer mapping program, but I have done target shooting with a variety of weapons including a riot shotgun, 25 automatic and 357 and even competed (ex-husband was a cop).

Then we are on the same page. I am registered - Independent and only that

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because you have to register as something to vote in this country (which to me is ridiculous) and since I am not on board totally with either of the other parties I did not want to register that way. I am definitely more conservative than liberal, but well aware that there are radical wingnuts at both end of the spectrum.

What bothers me about this is this rush to judgment before there was even one iota of proof that the shooter was politically motivated. I mean, Hinckley shot Reagan because he wanted to impress Jodi Foster. Just because a public figure is shot it doesn't mean it was politically motivated. And the mindset that not only does that rush to judgment but continues it even after it has been proven it was not politically motivated and the shooter was most definitely not a right winger. Still trying to make political hay out of a tragedy, condemning an entire "party" and one person. I just think that highlights a very disturbing trend on the left, from the top of the party to the people who post here. They talk about and accuse other Americans as if they were not fellow Americans....and spit on one of our standards of innocent until proven guilty.

That is very disturbing to me because it is ACTION not IMAGE. That is how hate groups get started, that is how people begin to look at their neighbors as their enemies and before you know it you have created a monster you cannot contain.

It just needs to STOP. We need to put our country above party and our concern for fellow Americans above ANY political ideology.

Your last sentence is spot on. nm - CrispyCritterMT

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I agree with you... its really shameful on their part!.nm - Frank

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What is scary to me is to have people... - with a lynch mob mentality

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running this country. Guilty until proven innocent seems to be the mantra here. Blame, blame, blame "the moron."
And you think this kind of thing inspires Independents such as myself to vote Democrat ever again? Not hardly.

You make assumptions and you know what that - makes you. I am NOT

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a tea partier nor am I a Republican. I vote Democrat sometimes and Republican sometimes. It depends on the person. However, what has been posted on this site today absoslutely disgusts me as an American citizen and sickens me that the hard left has hijacked the Democratic party to act in this manner.

You are completely wrong in suggesting that if Sarah Palin had been shot I would be on here blaming liberals. I would NOT. I would be saying the same thing to any radical rights who would come on this board and suggest such a thing. I would be blaming the flaming deranged psychotic who shot her just like I am blaming the flaming deranged psychotic who shot all those people. Why on EARTH would someone motivated by a target on Giffords shoot 18 more people? Your assumption is ridiculous and you are the worst of the worst spreading hate mongering when you KNOW there is no connection between the tea party or Palin.

If anyone looks ignornant here it is you. Not only ignorant but dangerous. You said all I needed to hear when you said "that moron Palin." You seem like someone who would have been on here cheering if she had been shot and the first to dance on her grave.

It is reprehensible when anyone takes the method this deranged killer did. No rational person is going to go into a crowd and kill 18 people based on ANY picture or any rhetoric.

You certainly sound like you hate Sarah Palin and tea party...I think we can safely assume you hate "the moron." You find her crosshairs and map inflammatory. Are YOU going to travel to where you know she would be and walk up and shoot her and 18 other people including a 9-year-old child? NO, unless you are a raving maniac like this guy was.

YOU and people like you, the freaky fringe on BOTH sides, are why this country is divided, and why there will soon be more Independents than anything else, because in case the midterms did not spell it out for you, we in the middle between the parties are sick of the finger pointing and blaming...and this post and others like it today are the absolute worst case of it I have ever seen and makes me pretty determined to never vote Democrat again until sanity takes the party back.

And you are actually PROUD of it. Mind boggling. Absolutely mind boggling.

So refreshing to hear your comments... - I totally agree

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It is people like the posterior you addressed that polarize the country with their hate mongering.

Wow, I'm so flattered... - SM

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I've never been called a hate-mongerer before! Oooh, let me go add that to my sig line!!

You are seriously deranged to react this way to a discussion - sm

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Did I say I hate SP? I don't believe I did. Calling someone a moron doesn't equal hating said moron. There are lots of people I think are morons but I certainly don't hate them. And hating SP would be giving her too much importance in my life. You are also assuming I am a Democrat - not that it's any of your business but I consider myself neither Democrat nor Reupblican; I vote by candidate, not party. I may think a candidate or a certain party line is an idiot/idiotic, but I don't hate that person/party.

You and the other posters who seem to hold the same opinion as you are the really, really, really protesting too much. Seriously, it's overkill (for lack of a better word). Give it a rest. Quit "begging" us to stop and "for-shaming" us for holding our opinions and stating them. We do have that right, you know.

You all claim that no one can prove he knew about the crosshair targets, etc. Well, it's really hard to prove a negative, such as he *didn't* know about the targets, etc. I never saw the site or the map but I certainly knew about it & knew about the things that had been said in the media by Republicans or Tea-Partiers or whomever, the comments inciting violence. Those words & actions are out there in the realm of public knowledge so it is certainly possible that someone could have known about such things w/o ever actually seeing/hearing them firsthand.

No one is saying that this guy was not irrational or deranged or whatever. I may think you're deranged but I don't hate you.

Keep calm & carry on!

I'm not sure if you took the quiz a month or so - back on whether you were

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a Republican or Democrat, but I pretty sure from your posts how that would turn out.

Ah. I see. I can't assume you hate SP by - your written words but you can

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make the huge leap that sarah Palin (crosshairs) and a tea party map showing districts (just like the Dems had) "targeted" because the reps there were "vulnerable" are responsible for this crazy person's act or in some way contributed to it.

Have you even bothered to research this guy? He has been deranged since he was in high school. His politics lean left. He read the communist manifesto...that is LEFT leaning, not right.

But, of course, one has to be truly independent and look at both sides without prejudice, and you are obviously incapable of doing that.

As you, I can certainly think a view is idiotic. The lynch mob mentality of attacking with no proof is one of those views.

Innocent until proven guilty ever cross your mind? Unlike you, if this was a nutjob who killed a Republican, and Republicans/conservatives/tear party members were on this board with lynch mob mentality blaming the entire Democratic party en masse like you people are, I would be saying the same things to them.

What is appalling is that you try to justify attacking a party/person with no proof...tha is not right, no matter which side does it.

You SAY you are independent but you are far from it. You have a one-sided view tempered by a personal dislike and have lost any impartiality you might have.

I would hate to be a tea party member in Arizona with that sheriff and you on the jury.

Which is why more Independents will move away from the left next election. You are doing more harm to yourselves persisting in this than you know.

But...carry on! Please do.

Sigh - LOL

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Sigh ;) LOL!

You ceased being cute about 12 - Sight ;) LOL's ago.

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but thanks for the contribution. Predictability is sometimes comforting.

lol

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