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American Sniper shot to death


Posted: Feb 3, 2013

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American Sniper - CCW holder

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Guess this is what the bible says about you live by the sword you die by the sword.

how does that square with being a CCW holder? - nm

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he was a decorated veteran (i.e. a good guy with a gun) - ...

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I guess Mr. LaPierre was wrong.

That's awful. - xyz

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A Navy Seal sharpshooter, shot to death at a firing range. Too bad he didn't have a gun to defend himself...oh, wait...

Snark about a hero's death? - Gun owner

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People with guns are sometimes surprised, and don't get the chance to defend themselves. Looks like that happened here. What a shame.

I hope you weren't implying that that is, therefore, another reason to ban all guns, or that guns are never a help and only a murder weapon. Because that demonstrably is not true.

It wasn't snark. - xyz

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Every time there's a gun tragedy, you invariably hear from gun lovers that if the victims were armed, they could have prevented the tragedy. That's simply not true. And don't put words in my mouth. Did I say anything about banning all guns or that guns are only a murder weapon? No, I did not. However, universal background checks, licensing for gun owners, and reinstitution of the assault weapons ban would be a start.
We don't know if he was armed or not, do we? - Only that he was at a range.
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"Too bad he didn't have a gun to defend himself...oh, wait..."

Would you like his loved ones to read that? I hope not.

We don't know if he was armed at the time or not.

In any case, the shooter was apparently someone he counted as a friend, who was perhaps more unstable than he realized. A surprise attack like that, no, you are unlikely to be able to protect yourself, unfortunately.

Somebody breaking into your house, yes. You have time, usually, and having a gun might well save your life in that instance.

But the victim being armed and not having protected themselves certainly doesn't prove that no one should have a gun, or that guns are no use in personal protection. If they aren't any use in personal protection, then we really should disarm the cops, too. They shouldn't need guns, either, I wouldn't think.
the evidence in the public forum mounts - your words contribute
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"In any case, the shooter was apparently someone he counted as a friend, who was perhaps more unstable than he realized. A surprise attack like that, no, you are unlikely to be able to protect yourself, unfortunately."
Gun owner, our "side" or not, this guy was a stone killer. - Good deeds don't erase that reality. nm
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Are you referring to Chris Kyle, the former - sniper? nm
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aren't surprise attacks the point? - sm
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Have as many armed guards as you want. ANYONE is unlikely to be able to protect themselves - or the people in their charge - when a surprise attack is carried out.
Please do research on what an - AR15 owner
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assault weapon is. AR15's like the military uses are select-fire/automatic. The one in my closet, and sold to civilians, is not. That legislation above is a joke because all of those rules are just more red tape for non-criminals.
So, how many people could you kill in 30 - seconds?
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with your AR15 in your closet?

None - with the AR15 in the closet. - Trick question, lol? nm
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LOL, nice try, but I can easily get to it - Ar15 Owner
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I don't expect an anti-gun to understand though.
Nobody will. Emotion rules here, not knowledge - or research. nm
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most of us understand the difference between - automatic and semiautomatic
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You are letting emotions rule here by assuming that proponents of gun control confuse machine guns with semiautomatic weapons. Can you not meet the issue head-on? Why must all debates on gun control end with gun proponents waving AR-15s in the air?
I didn't wave anything - AR15 owner
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I'm just sick of them being referred to as "assault weapons" like the kind the military uses.
you just did. - nm
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No I did not, just pointed out something to those - AR15 owner
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who choose to learn the truth instead of being willfully ignorant.
Darn right it was a snark. - nm
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Whatever. - xyz
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If it came off as snarky, then the snark was fully directed at the NRA and their ridiculous argument that being armed is the solution to tragedy.

Is it only a shame when it's a "hero"? - SM

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I don't think there should be a ban on all guns, but I can't help but think how many heroes, children, moms, dads, brothers, sister, wives, husbands, would be alive if we the 2nd amendment didn't morph into what it has.
Is fantasizing about alternate history fruitful - or realistic?
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We really cannot know that if guns were effectively banned in the U.S., that we would have a substantially lower murder rate. There are certainly countries with much lower civilian gun ownership than we have and very high murder rates compared to ours.

Australia and England's murder rates may not have been influenced by their gun restrictions. The article linked below is an opinion piece, but the stats check out.

As for the guns and the murder rate argument - vf
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I, frankly, don't give a hoot about the murder rate. If someone is looking to kill someone for some perceived offense, then it's between those two people, and the weaker of the 2 will be killed. That's a fact of life with or without guns and we can't do anything about it. But that's no excuse for allowing a maniac to get hold of a military style assault weapon and shoot indiscriminately, killing hordes of innocent people in an instant... that's what I have a problem with. Gun toters or 2nd Amendment rights fanatics can kill each other off one by one for all I care, but leave the rest of us alone... especially the children. They have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness too, which by the way is a right that supersedes the 2nd Amendment.

I read about this yesterday - RC

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I am sorry for this man's death and feel for his family.

But the way he talked about the people he murdered was entirely disturbing to me.

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